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Valentine Crendre ZionTCD 28	Posted - 2013.08.10 09:44:00 - [1] - Quote Need some sort of nerf... Am I right Armor Vehicle drivers? I know they're supposed to have a bonus against armor and blah blah.. But having THREE quickly throwable tiny grenades at 1k or higher damage a piece? That and the Proto SLs are just a bit overkill, esp. on Gallente vehicles...
broonfondle majikthies P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 138	Posted - 2013.08.10 09:47:00 - [2] - Quote stop light vehicles running me over and I'll leave the AV nades in the Merc Quarters. Till then quit whining. Then its flux time to mess up you annoying Cal proto's -_-
Chris F2112 187. 306	Posted - 2013.08.10 09:59:00 - [3] - Quote Stay away from infantry areas if you want to avoid AV nades. If you move into an area where infantry can easily flank you cannot start complaining when you get wrecked. Stay at long range to avoid them.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1582	Posted - 2013.08.10 10:01:00 - [4] - Quote It's really just packed nades that are OP, and damn they are hella OP.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 570	Posted - 2013.08.10 10:04:00 - [5] - Quote People have been forced to spec into AV grenades because of LLAV :/ The problem IMO is balance between LAV/HAV.
richiesutie 2 Seraphim Auxiliaries 209	Posted - 2013.08.10 10:06:00 - [6] - Quote Chris F2112 wrote: Stay away from infantry areas if you want to avoid AV nades. If you move into an area where infantry can easily flank you cannot start complaining when you get wrecked. Stay at long range to avoid them. So redline snipe?
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1112	Posted - 2013.08.10 10:17:00 - [7] - Quote broonfondle majikthies wrote: stop light vehicles running me over and I'll leave the AV nades in the Merc Quarters. Till then quit whining. Then its flux time to mess up you annoying Cal proto's -_- Nah I have to agree. Im an AVer who wants to become and Tanker. Av is too easy we need some sort of rebalancing against Tanks. I personally want to see AV grenades gone. It doesn't make sense to me to have enough fire power to consistently punch through 180mm + Armour plates in such a small package. If we have C4 like deployable breaching charges which we had to manually attach to the tank then I think that would be fine.
Xi Vi Ekipa Remontowo Budowlana 1	Posted - 2013.08.10 10:28:00 - [8] - Quote Stay away from AV nades!! AV nades are just fine !!! I tell you this as a tanker. Yes - I drive the tanks! With 4 mil SP dumped into tanks if I cant sink those proto tankers then SL & AV'nades comes into scene... CCP dont touch AV gear!! ...and For Sake - Plasma Cannon needs some L O V E - its a junk atm... Regards! Xi Vi
broonfondle majikthies P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 140	Posted - 2013.08.10 10:37:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: broonfondle majikthies wrote: stop light vehicles running me over and I'll leave the AV nades in the Merc Quarters. Till then quit whining. Then its flux time to mess up you annoying Cal proto's -_- Nah I have to agree. Im an AVer who wants to become and Tanker. Av is too easy we need some sort of rebalancing against Tanks. I personally want to see AV grenades gone. It doesn't make sense to me to have enough fire power to consistently punch through 180mm + Armour plates in such a small package. If we have C4 like deployable breaching charges which we had to manually attach to the tank then I think that would be fine. The bane of all tanks since their invention has always been light infantry. That is why they will always need infantry support, If your corp mates are not taking out the infantry getting close to you or your running solo into dense terrain then you deserve to be naded to death
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 100	Posted - 2013.08.10 10:37:00 - [10] - Quote Only problem I have with A.V. weaponry are the A.V. Grenades... Leave the SL, FG, and REs alone. Actually.... fix the SL invisible glitched swarms first then I'll be fine with it.

KGB Sleep Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 40	Posted - 2013.08.10 10:41:00 - [11] - Quote Valentine Crendre wrote: Need some sort of nerf... Am I right Armor Vehicle drivers? I know they're supposed to have a bonus against armor and blah blah.. But having THREE quickly throwable tiny grenades at 1k or higher damage a piece? That and the Proto SLs are just a bit overkill, esp. on Gallente vehicles... It is coming in 1.5. thanks for yet another tank QQ thread.
The Attorney General ZionTCD 691	Posted - 2013.08.10 15:57:00 - [12] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: It is coming in 1.5. thanks for yet another tank QQ thread. Actually, Val runs LAV's. Not LLAV's either, but honest to goodness infantry support vehicles. He is trying to use them as intended, but if you can't get your infantry support vehicle within range of your infantry it isn't working terribly effectively is it?
Valentine Crendre ZionTCD 51	Posted - 2013.08.14 00:16:00 - [13] - Quote Thank you, Genny. Mostly, you just gotta ignore the trolls, but then there are those really inbred ones who just spout the most irrelevant and assuming spew...
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 1590	Posted - 2013.08.14 00:18:00 - [14] - Quote Valentine Crendre wrote: Need some sort of nerf... Am I right Armor Vehicle drivers? I know they're supposed to have a bonus against armor and blah blah.. But having THREE quickly throwable tiny grenades at 1k or higher damage a piece? That and the Proto SLs are just a bit overkill, esp. on Gallente vehicles... Once they fix LLAVs I will happily run ADV swarms instead of proto ones.
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 1388	Posted - 2013.08.14 00:23:00 - [15] - Quote Valentine Crendre wrote: Need some sort of nerf... Am I right Armor Vehicle drivers? I know they're supposed to have a bonus against armor and blah blah.. But having THREE quickly throwable tiny grenades at 1k or higher damage a piece? That and the Proto SLs are just a bit overkill, esp. on Gallente vehicles... Disagree my friend. Biggest problem is the fact that turrets target drivers before they target the vehicle.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2508	Posted - 2013.08.14 00:29:00 - [16] - Quote Keep getting killed by AV Grenades when I just fly across peoples heads :( Leave me alone, I just want to practice flying under a warehouse. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 381	Posted - 2013.08.14 00:29:00 - [17] - Quote Valentine Crendre wrote: Need some sort of nerf... Am I right Armor Vehicle drivers? I know they're supposed to have a bonus against armor and blah blah.. But having THREE quickly throwable tiny grenades at 1k or higher damage a piece? That and the Proto SLs are just a bit overkill, esp. on Gallente vehicles... Don't use vehicles or AV nades but I think they need a nerf. They are often more effective than designated AV weapons and they are not even a support weapon. OP AV nades will lead to buff to vehicles, that buff to vehicles will make current designated AV weapons UP. So I am with you - as much as I hate murder taxi I think AV nades are too OP for what they are.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1208	Posted - 2013.08.14 00:33:00 - [18] - Quote Valentine Crendre wrote: Need some sort of nerf... Am I right Armor Vehicle drivers? I know they're supposed to have a bonus against armor and blah blah.. But having THREE quickly throwable tiny grenades at 1k or higher damage a piece? That and the Proto SLs are just a bit overkill, esp. on Gallente vehicles... Yes they do and Im an AVer.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 381	Posted - 2013.08.14 00:34:00 - [19] - Quote Xi Vi wrote: Stay away from AV nades!! AV nades are just fine !!! I tell you this as a tanker. Yes - I drive the tanks! With 4 mil SP dumped into tanks if I cant sink those proto tankers then SL & AV'nades comes into scene... CCP dont touch AV gear!! ...and For Sake - Plasma Cannon needs some L O V E - its a junk atm... Regards! Xi Vi Regarding PC. Not true. Ppl who use it love it including me. And actually we don't want it touched as it will spark mass PC fad with a terrible buff/QQ/nerf cycle. Please leave plasma cannons out of this and alone.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 485	Posted - 2013.08.14 00:34:00 - [20] - Quote Your turrets have range advantage over rifles. Use it. Tired of catching grenades? Back the **** off of the frontline. Otherwise, accept your fate.

Lazy Scumbag The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 20	Posted - 2013.08.14 00:40:00 - [21] - Quote Valentine Crendre wrote: Need some sort of nerf... Am I right Armor Vehicle drivers? I know they're supposed to have a bonus against armor and blah blah.. But having THREE quickly throwable tiny grenades at 1k or higher damage a piece? That and the Proto SLs are just a bit overkill, esp. on Gallente vehicles... The problem is not the grenades themselves, but the ridiculous amount of bonus damage that grenades do to armor. Try getting out of your tank and running as armor tank infantry. 700+ HP and a militia locus grenade will eat your lunch.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 77	Posted - 2013.08.14 00:42:00 - [22] - Quote after 15 million SP on foot with AV nades and now 3 million into tanks they are fine, but i know to run away from the guy who just dropped a nono hive. Swarms I agree on, with as easy as they are to use they should not be that powerful or at least not useable on ground vehicles. AR/Md are infinitely more "skilled" than any SL could ever hope to be. Not only are they fire and forget they can go around corners and stop on a dime turn 90 degrees and continue to follow.
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 431	Posted - 2013.08.14 00:43:00 - [23] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Your turrets have range advantage over rifles. Use it. Tired of catching grenades? Back the ** off of the frontline. Otherwise, accept your fate. You must not understand the fact that our blasters have ** range
8213 Grade No.2 144	Posted - 2013.08.14 00:46:00 - [24] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Your turrets have range advantage over rifles. Use it. Tired of catching grenades? Back the **** off of the frontline. Otherwise, accept your fate. What that guy said...
MarasdF Loron Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 30	Posted - 2013.08.14 00:52:00 - [25] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: after 15 million SP on foot with AV nades and now 3 million into tanks they are fine, but i know to run away from the guy who just dropped a nono hive. Swarms I agree on, with as easy as they are to use they should not be that powerful or at least not useable on ground vehicles. AR/Md are infinitely more "skilled" than any SL could ever hope to be. Not only are they fire and forget they can go around corners and stop on a dime turn 90 degrees and continue to follow. On top of that, recently they have started to go through buildings and rocks. EDIT: meaning that they wont even bother to show you that "Haha, but I can go around this obstacle with 90 degree turn", instead they are like "Gimme a break" and Goes right through obstacle EDIT2: so from tanker's point of view it goes something like this "Phew, this time they are actually gonna hit the obstacle instead of going a.... sh*t! Did they just come right through?!"
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 486	Posted - 2013.08.14 01:06:00 - [26] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: You must not understand the fact that our blasters have **** range I ride gunner 10-25% of my time in game. Large rails, missles outrange most of the maps. know where the reds cluster. Fire. Blasters, still better than rifles - on the short range engagements. Use Swarm Launchers for at least 50 games, know their limitations. They are numerous. The only thing HAV pilots should really be in a huff about is cost per fitting and being outclassed by LLAVs. (OK, and maybe the EX-0 Packed AV Grenades are a little murderous, but mercs throw grenades like a bunch of nancies - they need the assistance)
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 435	Posted - 2013.08.14 01:09:00 - [27] - Quote Xi Vi wrote: Stay away from AV nades!! AV nades are just fine !!! I tell you this as a tanker. Yes - I drive the tanks! With 4 mil SP dumped into tanks if I cant sink those proto tankers then SL & AV'nades comes into scene... CCP dont touch AV gear!! ...and For Sake - Plasma Cannon needs some L O V E - its a junk atm... Regards! Xi Vi Read Plasma Cannon description. It's not an AV weapon. It just CAN kill vehicles in certain conditions. Sort of like the mass driver.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2509	Posted - 2013.08.14 01:15:00 - [28] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: missles outrange most of the maps. Get the ** out of here you scrub, I can't believe anything else you post simply for this idiotic statement. Missiles have ** range, it's atrocious. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2514	Posted - 2013.08.14 02:13:00 - [29] - Quote You know what I like? When people say, they only use AV Grenades to kill tanks close by them. Just had three guys rush me in a LLAV with only AV Grenades, props to them but ******* ridiculous, there was no way to stop that. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
Valentine Crendre ZionTCD 53	Posted - 2013.08.14 02:14:00 - [30] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Rynoceros wrote: missles outrange most of the maps. Get the ** out of here you scrub, I can't believe anything else you post simply for this idiotic statement. Missiles have ** range, it's atrocious. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! True, small missle turrets ranges have been seriously over-nerfed.



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