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Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2514	Posted - 2013.08.14 02:16:00 - [31] - Quote Valentine Crendre wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Rynoceros wrote: missles outrange most of the maps. Get the ** out of here you scrub, I can't believe anything else you post simply for this idiotic statement. Missiles have ** range, it's atrocious. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! True, small missle turrets ranges have been seriously over-nerfed. All Missile Ranges were over-nerfed Back when Missiles were OP, I understood the need for a nerf. Reduce Splash Radius Reduce Direct hit Damage Reduce Splash Damage Reduce Range But not all of them at once -_- CCP doesn't know the meaning of "Tweak" King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
Valentine Crendre ZionTCD 53	Posted - 2013.08.14 02:17:00 - [32] - Quote Xender17 wrote: Xi Vi wrote: Stay away from AV nades!! AV nades are just fine !!! I tell you this as a tanker. Yes - I drive the tanks! With 4 mil SP dumped into tanks if I cant sink those proto tankers then SL & AV'nades comes into scene... CCP dont touch AV gear!! ...and For Sake - Plasma Cannon needs some L O V E - its a junk atm... Regards! Xi Vi Read Plasma Cannon description. It's not an AV weapon. It just CAN kill vehicles in certain conditions. Sort of like the mass driver. Regardless, there defintely needs to be "assault" (big splash, less damage, maybe 2 in a clip) and "breach" (High damage, low splash, fast projectile) variants of the PLC... one more effective for Inf. and the other more effective for AV.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 490	Posted - 2013.08.14 03:46:00 - [33] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Rynoceros wrote: missles outrange most of the maps. Get the ** out of here you scrub, I can't believe anything else you post simply for this idiotic statement. Missiles have ** range, it's atrocious. Well, that's one tanker I don't have to worry about cross-map showering me with those splasharific projectile beasts. Thanks.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 357	Posted - 2013.08.14 03:53:00 - [34] - Quote Valentine Crendre wrote: Need some sort of nerf... Am I right Armor Vehicle drivers? I know they're supposed to have a bonus against armor and blah blah.. But having THREE quickly throwable tiny grenades at 1k or higher damage a piece? That and the Proto SLs are just a bit overkill, esp. on Gallente vehicles... Lai Dai do about 2000 each to armor. Yeah, they need a nerf.
Doyle Reese OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 380	Posted - 2013.08.14 03:56:00 - [35] - Quote honestly if you're letting them get close enough to throw their AV nades, you're doing something incorrectly. That's like a sniper complaining every time he gets shotgunned in the back
MarasdF Loron Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 30	Posted - 2013.08.14 10:10:00 - [36] - Quote Doyle Reese wrote: honestly if you're letting them get close enough to throw their AV nades, you're doing something incorrectly. That's like a sniper complaining every time he gets shotgunned in the back How do you stop people from rushing you with LLAV and packed lai dais? Answer is: you don't. LLAV's are a lot tougher to kill than any tank out there, and then there is the speed... If he has enough time to throw all 3 packed lai dais you are dead, no matter what.
Rowdy Railgunner TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN. 31	Posted - 2013.08.14 10:25:00 - [37] - Quote AV nades do jack **** DMG to shields. This guy is complaining because they work well against armor and wants them to be nerfed. CCP will listen and even more people will quit because that is the story of DUST 514. Sad but true.
Rowdy Railgunner TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN. 31	Posted - 2013.08.14 10:28:00 - [38] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: You know what I like? When people say, they only use AV Grenades to kill tanks close by them. Just had three guys rush me in a LLAV with only AV Grenades, props to them but ******* ridiculous, there was no way to stop that. You use an infantile tactic in an uber tanked LLAV then call the people who setup just to kill you ridiculous. . .You are an idiot.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 836	Posted - 2013.08.14 10:32:00 - [39] - Quote Wont happen tbh Infantry need the crutch badly TBH mines should do more damage than AV nades, AV nades at best should be a support to primary AV weapons to help add a bit of DPS, not be a primary weapon on its own I would straight cut the damage by 50% and give it to vehicle mines, also remove the homing crutch so they have to explode when they hit the vehicle so that requires at least aiming in the general direction of the vehicle and not spamming it everywhere and having the homing crutch make up for it and if they miss then the nade just dissappers after 3sec
MarasdF Loron Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 30	Posted - 2013.08.14 10:38:00 - [40] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: You know what I like? When people say, they only use AV Grenades to kill tanks close by them. Just had three guys rush me in a LLAV with only AV Grenades, props to them but ******* ridiculous, there was no way to stop that. You use an infantile tactic in an uber tanked LLAV then call the people who setup just to kill you ridiculous. . .You are an idiot. Did you just say uber tanked LLAV? Stock LLAV is harder to kill than a well fit tank, trust me, I know this, that's why I use LLAVs so often instead of tanks. And even if I am deep behind my redline some of them just troll and drive their LLAV behind the redline and nade me to death before I even get to drive my tank one feet.

Blaze Ashra Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2013.08.14 11:04:00 - [41] - Quote As far as AV grenades go I think having 3 be able to take out a fully tanked LLAV should be the standard. Not going to lie, swarms are very powerful and they absolutely **** EHP tanks that are to slow to get to cover. Dropships and LAV's can outrun them and fast tanks can survive hits and prevent lock ons by going along the perimeter of the map or through buildings/complexes. My biggest issue is getting my dropships destroyed in 2 hits from both redlined tanks and forge gunners. I realize that it makes you tankers and forge gunners feel all special but If there was damage fall off to prevent 1 unit owning the entire map or a buff so dropships don't get raped by forge guns, rail guns, RDV's, AV grenades, terrain, explosion knockback or bad drop offs, then I wouldn't be speced into swarms and sniper rifles to get revenge on what I can. In my point of view, I think Scout LAV's, all Dropships, and tier 2 tanks need worked on the most with how things are now. Vehicles shouldn't be an I win button but the same thing goes for AV.
MarasdF Loron Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 31	Posted - 2013.08.14 11:17:00 - [42] - Quote Blaze Ashra wrote: As far as AV grenades go I think having 3 be able to take out a fully tanked LLAV should be the standard. Not going to lie, swarms are very powerful and they absolutely **** EHP tanks that are to slow to get to cover. Dropships and LAV's can outrun them and fast tanks can survive hits and prevent lock ons by going along the perimeter of the map or through buildings/complexes. My biggest issue is getting my dropships destroyed in 2 hits from both redlined tanks and forge gunners. I realize that it makes you tankers and forge gunners feel all special but If there was damage fall off to prevent 1 unit owning the entire map or a buff so dropships don't get raped by forge guns, rail guns, RDV's, AV grenades, terrain, explosion knockback or bad drop offs, then I wouldn't be speced into swarms and sniper rifles to get revenge on what I can. In my point of view, I think Scout LAV's, all Dropships, and tier 2 tanks need worked on the most with how things are now. Vehicles shouldn't be an I win button but the same thing goes for AV. Even though it is kind of off topic I totally agree that Forges and Rails shouldn't be able to 1 or 2 shot kill dropships. It is ridiculous. That is why I never bother with enemy dropships if I am in a Rail tank. I have had some lols though when I've been trying to learn how to fly dropships myself: I'm as deep in my redline as possible just trying to learn some fancy moves and boom goes the derpships cause someone shot me with Forge or Rail. -.-
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 24	Posted - 2013.08.14 11:25:00 - [43] - Quote Chris F2112 wrote: Stay away from infantry areas if you want to avoid AV nades. If you move into an area where infantry can easily flank you cannot start complaining when you get wrecked. Stay at long range to avoid them. Soooo...the entire battlefield?... Just takes about 15 seconds to blow a tank with around 50% resist and 6000 hp...
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2517	Posted - 2013.08.14 11:30:00 - [44] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: AV nades do jack ** DMG to shields. This guy is complaining because they work well against armor and wants them to be nerfed. CCP will listen and even more people will quit because that is the story of DUST 514. Sad but true. Wrong, they do significant damage to Shield Tanks, it's still ridiculous as it does more damage than any AV Weapon (Other than the Breach Forge Gun), it has higher DPS and people say it's got range? No, for example, you can chuck AV Grenades higher than the pipes on Ashland. Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: You know what I like? When people say, they only use AV Grenades to kill tanks close by them. Just had three guys rush me in a LLAV with only AV Grenades, props to them but ***** ridiculous, there was no way to stop that. You use an infantile tactic in an uber tanked LLAV then call the people who setup just to kill you ridiculous. . .You are an idiot. Idiot, I said props for a reason, it was an interesting tactic to get to me in my red line, it's ridiculous that they carried ARs and AV Grenades, it's too effective. There should always be this kind of setup, Anti Infantry > Anti Vehicle > Vehicle > Anti Infantry, AV Grenades destroy that and make it Anti Infantry > All. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
Mortedeamor Ancient Exiles 152	Posted - 2013.08.14 11:32:00 - [45] - Quote they must dooo maoooor dmg lol
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2517	Posted - 2013.08.14 11:46:00 - [46] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: they must dooo maoooor dmg lol Back, back I say! How did you get out of the cupboard? King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
MONKEY CHEEKS The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 18	Posted - 2013.08.14 12:00:00 - [47] - Quote Xi Vi wrote: Stay away from AV nades!! AV nades are just fine !!! I tell you this as a tanker. Yes - I drive the tanks! With 4 mil SP dumped into tanks if I cant sink those proto tankers then SL & AV'nades comes into scene... CCP dont touch AV gear!! ...and For Sake - Plasma Cannon needs some L O V E - its a junk atm... Regards! Xi Vi I got 10 mill sp dumped into shield and armor tanks, 3.5 in armor and 6.5 in Shield because it takes more sp to run shields, And from my experience, it takes 1 militia swarm with 4 packed AV nades to bring down my brilliantly fit madrugar, The miltia swarm takes down my shield, no worries, but the Packed AV nades take down everything, its just terrible to see a 800k madrugar go down because of one dude who spen 130ksp into AV nades and maybe into nano hives. BTW, their is no such thing as proto tankers. AV nades need a nerf so they cannot be replenished by nano hives and they home in also max carried should be 2. To all those that disagree, you are obviously not tankers.
The Attorney General ZionTCD 699	Posted - 2013.08.14 12:05:00 - [48] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Idiot, I said props for a reason, it was an interesting tactic to get to me in my red line, it's ridiculous that they carried ARs and AV Grenades, it's too effective. Although I think AV nades need work, along with LAV's I'm am just patiently waiting until we get around to some numbers about what is coming in 1.5. With that said, if three guys bring AV nades into the redline to pop you, that is fair game, and should be allowed. 3 v 1 should function in their favour, especially on a suicide run. Infantry actually NEED an option like this as long as the redline works where and how it is right now. I can reliably do it with EX-11 packed and an Ishukone Forge, but there needs to be a lower SP threshold for a car full of scrubs to pop a tank. Where this falls apart is in the fact that bailing out of a speeding LAV as it blows up against the side of the tank, and hopping around while hurling death rocks at the tank is only fun for the infantry, and is a horrible experience for the tanker, because against proto grenades, there is no suriviving all three of them. 9 Lai Dai grenades don't take long for three guys to throw and will ultrakill every vehicle in the game. That they open up their attack with a Limbus for 3000 damage is just the icing on the cake. Don't forget, their chariot has 50% resists, with enough eHP to survive a couple of rail shots or a whole slew of blaster, and normally a couple of salvos of missiles. I'm starting to agree with what I have heard voiced about limiting the number of AV nades to 2, and upping the refresh time from hives. Leave the damage, maybe buff it by 5% to compensate. Slow down LAV's, make all the passengers likely to get shot out by a blaster, and maybe we could get some more fun in those fights.
LudiKure ninda Trans Worlds Operations League of Infamy 10	Posted - 2013.08.14 12:46:00 - [49] - Quote My tanks will stay in garage untill ccp decide to do something about them,bechause its not fair that AV ashole kills my tank with 3 focking Lai Dai Packed AV nades i 2 seconds,.. Av users dont hawe to invest as much SP as tanker pilots need to get in the tank. Good tanker will hawe at least 7 mill SP in to tanks,so we can compete with other tanks. Im not sure how much SP do you need in to those focking AV nades,around 1 mill I think,corect me if Im wrong. That is bullshit. And thats why you can see me redline sniping,most of time, and I understand all tank pilots doing this. Bechause im not gonna waste my maddy or gunlogy, 700k-1mil per run, or enforcers 1,5mil-2,2 mil per run. Even with infantry supporting me,repping me, I cannot survive PROTO AV ,advanced av is fine,but proto swarms,nades,forge are devastating,.. 3 proto swarms kill my mady with over 10k hp with 35% resistance on armor ( 10% with skill,25% carpace hardener). If that fair,ok by ccp im not gonna bring my tanks on the field anymore. I didnt use tanks for almost a 2 weeks and I saved 15 mil ISK Now I hawe proto mass driver and a caldary proto suit and almost 5 lv damage skill on MD and im gonna kill all you AV punks,
Taeryn Frost Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 43	Posted - 2013.08.14 20:13:00 - [50] - Quote LudiKure ninda wrote: My tanks will stay in garage untill ccp decide to do something about them,bechause its not fair that AV ashole kills my tank with 3 focking Lai Dai Packed AV nades i 2 seconds,.. Is that a militia tank? Because I can chuck 4 or 5 Lai Dai's at real tanks and they have a more than decent chance to get away. And even then that's only if I 1) have cover where I can attack (not always an easy case) 2) I drop a nanohive (I have proto hives so that's no biggie) 3) No reds are shooting at me (They don't tend to let me stand still so I can take out tanks) 4) The tank doesn't just drive quickly away or towards me to kill me in the 2 or 3 shots it takes. So, standards tanks should take a dedicated AV squad to kill a tank? And I suppose the rest of the opposing team is just gonna sit there and let the AV squad focus on that one thing before it becomes an infantry battle again. You either spec into AV to defend against tanks that can slaughter you, leaving you open to infantry, or you can focus on the infantry and leave the tanks to slaughter you. Nah, I don't think many people are gonna go for that.

Valentine Crendre ZionTCD 59	Posted - 2013.08.14 23:45:00 - [51] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: I would straight cut the damage by 50% and give it to vehicle mines, also remove the homing crutch so they have to explode when they hit the vehicle so that requires at least aiming in the general direction of the vehicle and not spamming it everywhere and having the homing crutch make up for it and if they miss then the nade just dissappers after 3sec Wow, this actually makes a LOT of sense. This is one of the most intelligent balancing ideas I have heard of in a while... Taka, PLEASE tell me you're posting stuff like this in vehicle and AV threads?
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2977	Posted - 2013.08.15 00:01:00 - [52] - Quote I like how tankers say that shield HAVs are UP while anti-armor AV weapons (all of them except plasma cannons) are OP
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2525	Posted - 2013.08.15 00:13:00 - [53] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I like how tankers say that shield HAVs are UP while anti-armor AV weapons (all of them except plasma cannons) are OP I think many of us have given up caring about AV v Tanks, it's ****** so we look at Tank v Tank, shield HAVs are UP compared to Armor HAVs when it comes to fighting one another. A Madrugar can do everything a Gunnlogi can, but better. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD 143	Posted - 2013.08.15 01:19:00 - [54] - Quote I've said it before and I'll say it again: AV grenades should never solo anything short of a militia vehicle. They should compliment AV fittings to help out the AV user. My possible ideas include slowing down the vehicle, limiting turn speed, increasing turret heat buildup, etc.. So long as it doesn't mess with module cooldowns. In Fact, as most guys with half a brain have at least an advanced AV weapon this would make more sense than anything I've heard suggested. Val is an excellent driver and has an amazing Methana fit, but we rarely go games where we won't get popped at least once and at the end of the game we will still lose ISK. All because every game there is a squad capable of bringing out packed AV grenades with their lolprotoswarms and there isn't anything you can do about it. Even with a portion of their team being gimped to hell with their swarms/smg/avgrenades, we still get 6 guys going 0/3 in the deployment with a sniper rifle doing absolutely nothing for the team, but that's a whole different issue.
KPDATNIKKA Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2013.08.15 01:25:00 - [55] - Quote Valentine Crendre wrote: Need some sort of nerf... Am I right Armor Vehicle drivers? I know they're supposed to have a bonus against armor and blah blah.. But having THREE quickly throwable tiny grenades at 1k or higher damage a piece? That and the Proto SLs are just a bit overkill, esp. on Gallente vehicles... Negga u must be smoking crack fk that ish if all means that.need.buff ish out of off av for u cal jeeps goin 50/0 tank spamming azz niggas get on foot man up shoot with a gun..
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2527	Posted - 2013.08.15 01:36:00 - [56] - Quote KPDATNIKKA wrote: Valentine Crendre wrote: Need some sort of nerf... Am I right Armor Vehicle drivers? I know they're supposed to have a bonus against armor and blah blah.. But having THREE quickly throwable tiny grenades at 1k or higher damage a piece? That and the Proto SLs are just a bit overkill, esp. on Gallente vehicles... Negga u must be smoking crack fk that ish if all means that.need.buff ish out of off av for u cal jeeps goin 50/0 tank spamming azz niggas get on foot man up shoot with a gun.. By the gods, I hate console players. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
LEFT IN DUST Proto-G3NIUS3S 3	Posted - 2013.08.15 01:58:00 - [57] - Quote Then stop the murder taxi
KGB Sleep Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 46	Posted - 2013.08.15 02:00:00 - [58] - Quote What will happen in the world of AV is damage vs shields from explosives will be reduced more but armor will stay the same. This will be the MD nerf as well. The Plasma Cannon will get an AV tweak to knock your shields out like a Flux. You will all QQ.
Valentine Crendre ZionTCD 59	Posted - 2013.08.15 03:12:00 - [59] - Quote KPDATNIKKA wrote: Valentine Crendre wrote: Need some sort of nerf... Am I right Armor Vehicle drivers? I know they're supposed to have a bonus against armor and blah blah.. But having THREE quickly throwable tiny grenades at 1k or higher damage a piece? That and the Proto SLs are just a bit overkill, esp. on Gallente vehicles... Negga u must be smoking crack fk that ish if all means that.need.buff ish out of off av for u cal jeeps goin 50/0 tank spamming azz niggas get on foot man up shoot with a gun.. dafuq did you just say to me?? no rly, I didn't catch a word of that... Jason Pearson wrote: KPDATNIKKA wrote: Valentine Crendre wrote: Need some sort of nerf... Am I right Armor Vehicle drivers? I know they're supposed to have a bonus against armor and blah blah.. But having THREE quickly throwable tiny grenades at 1k or higher damage a piece? That and the Proto SLs are just a bit overkill, esp. on Gallente vehicles... Negga u must be smoking crack fk that ish if all means that.need.buff ish out of off av for u cal jeeps goin 50/0 tank spamming azz niggas get on foot man up shoot with a gun.. By the gods, I hate console players. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! What he said...


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