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Repe Susi
Rautaleijona
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.09 06:12:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:yet IWS says it's cool cuz keeping them in academy longer means more players left. So pushing them out this early means they'll stay? lol... yea people love getting a beatdown as seen in this video. That looks fun. Well I had a meeting over the subject and overall all I can say about is that I am practically muzzled on the details on the whole ordeal to the point I don't think I am allowed to share my feelings over the meeting yet. So I will point back to CCP Greyscale's post here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1146870#post1146870To which I quote: CCP Greyscale wrote:
Yes, we are.For a number of reasonswe're running tests on a weekly cadence right now, so we don't really have time to explore the entire possibility space variable-by-variable. Instead we're jumping between reasonably optimized implementations of various different plausible models of new player behavior, to try and establish as quickly as possible which model gets us in the right ballpark. We have a number of likely-looking mountains that we want to do a rough height-check on; once we've established some baselines for those, we'll be in a position to consider doing hill-climbing to find local maxima.
The tests are highly optimized though so testing is still going to remain rapid fire and integrated on until its just right.
Oh how lovely pile of bullshit. Yada yada mountains yada yada reasonably optimized yada local maxima.
Anyway, the system in place (Academy and Matchmaking) SUCK SO MUCH ASS!
It ******* isn't rocket-science to make SOMETHING to the matchmaking RIGHT NOW. It should've been done million years ago but no, CCP is 'jumping between reasonably (REALLY!? REASONABLY?) optimized implementations blahblahblah' and meanwhile every new player gets assraped. |
Drud Green
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
147
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Posted - 2013.08.09 06:13:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:yet IWS says it's cool cuz keeping them in academy longer means more players left. So pushing them out this early means they'll stay? lol... yea people love getting a beatdown as seen in this video. That looks fun. Well I had a meeting over the subject and overall all I can say about is that I am practically muzzled on the details on the whole ordeal to the point I don't think I am allowed to share my feelings over the meeting yet. So I will point back to CCP Greyscale's post here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1146870#post1146870To which I quote: CCP Greyscale wrote:
Yes, we are.For a number of reasonswe're running tests on a weekly cadence right now, so we don't really have time to explore the entire possibility space variable-by-variable. Instead we're jumping between reasonably optimized implementations of various different plausible models of new player behavior, to try and establish as quickly as possible which model gets us in the right ballpark. We have a number of likely-looking mountains that we want to do a rough height-check on; once we've established some baselines for those, we'll be in a position to consider doing hill-climbing to find local maxima.
The tests are highly optimized though so testing is still going to remain rapid fire and integrated on until its just right.
More PR bullshit and you're a tosspot |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7070
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Posted - 2013.08.09 06:18:00 -
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PR? Sorry I don't work with those guys. |
Drud Green
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
147
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Posted - 2013.08.09 06:23:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:PR? Sorry I don't work with those guys.
lol no ****, you just get told what to say.
Sit IWS sit, good dog. |
Criteria Shipment
Baynaer Space Command
The Ditanian Alliance
53
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Posted - 2013.08.09 06:28:00 -
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Drud Green wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:PR? Sorry I don't work with those guys. lol no ****, you just get told what to say. Sit IWS sit, good dog.
 pass me the popcorn. |
Mad Mav
Brotherhood of the Commissioned
121
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Posted - 2013.08.09 06:28:00 -
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IWS, your pom pom's are showing. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7071
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Posted - 2013.08.09 06:29:00 -
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Drud Green wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:PR? Sorry I don't work with those guys. lol no ****, you just get told what to say. Sit IWS sit, good dog.
I would break the NDA but then I remember the consequences of doing so.
Starting with illegitimizing every CPM from now on, including elected ones.
So no, you get the satisfaction of winning this round and how ineffective I would be at any retort I am not allowed to make. |
Drud Green
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
148
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Posted - 2013.08.09 06:40:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Drud Green wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:PR? Sorry I don't work with those guys. lol no ****, you just get told what to say. Sit IWS sit, good dog. I would break the NDA but then I remember the consequences of doing so. Starting with illegitimizing every CPM from now on, including elected ones. So no, you get the satisfaction of winning this round and how ineffective I would be at any retort I am not allowed to make.
Implying cpm has ever been legit, nice one |
Asirius Medaius
Planetary Response Organization
Test Friends Please Ignore
185
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Posted - 2013.08.09 06:40:00 -
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Honestly, I had to stop watching about 3 minutes in...
This girl is not only terrible in awareness / lack of cover, but she talks like a stoned 4th grader (which, albeit, I don't have any direct evidence for how they would act, but I assume they would be equally mentally clueless).
Also, for god's sake, please expand your diction instead of using "derp" repeatedly; It really makes you look like a fool. |
Asirius Medaius
Planetary Response Organization
Test Friends Please Ignore
185
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Posted - 2013.08.09 06:42:00 -
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Criteria Shipment wrote:Drud Green wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:PR? Sorry I don't work with those guys. lol no ****, you just get told what to say. Sit IWS sit, good dog. pass me the popcorn.
And then make sure to pass it to me afterwards; you aren't the only one enjoying this.  |
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Csikszent Mihalyi
DUST University
Ivy League
33
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Posted - 2013.08.09 07:28:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Some people, like myself, are good at basically any shooter we pick up, pretty much instantly. There's things to learn but that just makes us even better.
And then there's some people, like her, who are not.
That's ok.
New Eden is doing exactly what it is supposed to do. Chewing up the people who can't handle it and letting them know exactly where they stand.
Frankly, if certain people were not getting overwhelmed and driven off I would be highly disappointed in this game.
The only thing it needs to do as far as im concerned is make itself worthy of the people who can handle it. There is always a market for hardcore competitive games with basically zero hand-holding. They just need to be good enough to justify their existence.
That is odd, because Dust is about as far removed from being a hardcore competitive game as anything I've ever played. And the irony is that there is actually a lot to do in Dust that can be fun even if you suck at FPS, it's just that nobody tells you.
Putting in a lot of stuff in a game that is never explained other than through experimentation does not make it hardcore, it makes it tedious. It's a common misconception that putting up with tedious stuff somehow makes you tougher or smarter than anybody who doesn't, when actually it just means that you have more time to waste.
And you know why you are good at basically any shooter you pick up? Because you've played a lot of shooters. Like me. Yay, high five, this clearly makes us superior (not). |
Justicar Karnellia
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2013.08.09 08:37:00 -
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I'd say hats off to her for filming her new player experience.
There will always be players of different skill levels, you can see that the magnetism in aim assist they will be introducing will help new players like that. Also a lot of the HUD is confusing for new players, for example when she's standing next to the supply depot, getting ammo and she mentions she's getting points - as it's the same font and colour as kill points I understand the confusion. Finally, matchmaking will help to a point, and of course the skill of the player. Hopefully she'll stick around!
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Rei Shepard
Spectre II
433
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Posted - 2013.08.09 09:06:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:just so sum it up in case a dev walks in here by chance.
Her first game
* 0-7 in Ambush on Manus Table Top
* Quoting her at the end of the video: " That was terrible, I was terrible, I feel terrible, I don't wanna play THIS anymore"
2nd game? i didn't bother.
The thing is, if this was Cod, or BF3 aiming in the general direction and hitting something like she does sometimes in sheer luck would have netted her some kills to feel better about herself, ill give you that one in Dust you stripped a few bars of shields.
If she wants to actually play FPS games and i doubt she actually plays OTHER fps games, general stuff applies to both types of shooters and i did not see her bring in any Awareness, Ability to Aim at moving targets and dodging bullets and to get back to her Aim, its jerky like someone that has never held a controller until today, well i know my movements with the controller are exactly the same as hers and ive never held a controller in my life.
To sum it up, playing Dust for the very first time is not going to cure the "I Suck" syndrome she portrays flawlessly in the movie. |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood
1002
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Posted - 2013.08.09 09:08:00 -
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For a lass that has never played a competitive FPS before, and only campain's before that give her a break lol
Also CPM hold fast and ignore the trolls |
Jade Hasegawa
Intrepidus XI
EoN.
40
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Posted - 2013.08.09 09:40:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:I my brain was dying...... I admire her efforts to keep playing regardless of the fact she clearly has NO CLUE whats going on or what shes supposed to do. She didn't know how to get out of a drop ship...... She didn't even know it was called a dropship. People like this make me want to teach them how to play, but sadly..... I don't really care enough.
Hence the game slowly dying, if the vets are not prepared to teach the new bloods, they wont hang around to get better |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1675
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Posted - 2013.08.09 10:40:00 -
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My favorite is a little after two minutes in "How can I keep missing these guys, Im not that terrible" when she barely adjusts her aim at all and just fires in one direction
Edit: Anyone else notice she has 7m + ISK for being fresh out of the academy |
CrotchGrab 360
187.
187
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Posted - 2013.08.09 11:56:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:This isn't really a problem with the academy. She's just a bad player.
........................... |
Dalmont Legrand
Nemesis Ad Astra
RUST415
33
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Posted - 2013.08.09 11:59:00 -
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Welcome to reality girl where things collide. Dust is unfair because there are people that make it unfair seeing it as fair for others like me.
You should see my girlfriend playing. Madness, you would be a great pair of newbies. XD
This was the most painful moral game play ever I have seen. |
Dengru
Red Star.
EoN.
76
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:03:00 -
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I hear noobs with that solem, defeated tone over comms very often. Very sad. When you're stomped on that frequently without any real context it just leads to disassociation. |
achiever
pigs with fricken lazer beams
53
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:07:00 -
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dear god frist I say ask in local for help most ppl will help next look in froums there tons of ppl try too help noobs
and join channel dust help
hell give me 5 mins and I will make you 1000 % better |
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1135
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:15:00 -
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This is a combination of a terrible NPE in Dust as well as a gamer who is just being introduced to competitive multiplayer shooters. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7087
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:19:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:This is a combination of a terrible NPE in Dust as well as a gamer who is just being introduced to competitive multiplayer shooters.
^ This.
While a better NPE would be most helpful it wouldn't be able to overcome anyone's potential of non-gamer, I mean halo 4 still does the 'is this your first shooter? here run stage one with some hand holding."
Either way its going to be a busy weekend I have to wrap up the NPE summary report to present soon now that there is a deadline for it > <.
Hopefully whatever CCP designs and supplements around Battle Academy would work out as a good second iteration to NPE. |
Mortedeamor
Wraith Shadow Guards
141
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:25:00 -
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with your assault rifle dispersion so low your bullet spread is absurd just tap the fire button dont hold it down as you hold your bullets start to stray |
Mortedeamor
Wraith Shadow Guards
141
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:28:00 -
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oh also if you must use an assault rifle get close your way to far away most of this video |
Dimitri Rascolovitch
The Immortal Knights
27
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:32:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:This isn't really a problem with the academy. She's just a bad player.
and you were a total boss when you played your FIRST fps game, read the description, dust seems to be the first fps game she has ever played, so the battlefield norms we more experienced vets adhere to she hasnt even had the chance to learn yet |
Mregomies
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
6
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:33:00 -
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Newpies should pickup WP's as a redline sniper. It's cheap way to stay alive and give some support to the team. |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
897
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:36:00 -
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I don't think most Vets or CCP realize what a HUGE disadvantage new players have....No core skills to back into, poor equipment that is not match against anything, rubbish aiming mechanics that doesn't allow to use your skills and experience.
Dust 514 should have in the EULA ;
- Noobs not welcome, if you new to Dust 514 STFU and leave... we don't like people like you. |
Mortedeamor
Wraith Shadow Guards
141
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:42:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:I don't think most Vets or CCP realize what a HUGE disadvantage new players have....No core skills to back into, poor equipment that is not match against anything, rubbish aiming mechanics that doesn't allow to use your skills and experience. Dust 514 should have in the EULA ; - Noobs not welcome, if you new to Dust 514 STFU and leave... we don't like people like you.
i like this idea newberries do the stupidest crap |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7088
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:49:00 -
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
680
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Posted - 2013.08.09 12:56:00 -
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Viktor Zokas wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Viktor Zokas wrote:Casius Hakoke wrote:I'm two minutes into the video. Very painful to watch. Will update after finished with it. Painful as in a really bad player? Because she sort of sucked. rofl Yea I'm sure you were beast when you just started playing right?  I sort of was. I hope you're not white knighting it. rofl Simply speaking, it's a FPS game, all FPS games follow general rules. She really didn't have any battle awareness, it doesn't take whatever WP points to learn, you just have it. I love the parts where she'll spawn and just stand there, yes when I play a shooter game, that's my first reaction when spawning in a fire fight. The full auto at long range was cute. Next!
eh she's no different then most call of duty players.
in cal of duty you shoot in their direction and they die, in dust you need to dance around strafing and hit 20 or 30 times( at least with the gun she was using. )
straight out of teh academy she would not of known how to fight a proto user or hw many hits they take, the users in the academy most likely would have been dropping in 5 or 6 shots.
that's a pretty big leap in difficulty, especially when you aren't expecting it. aside from that she's still likely learning all the weapons, first game in the academy I suspec t nobody even had anything aside from militia fits, which will hardly prepare you for mass driver spam, and murder taxi's/ |
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