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Mother Facker
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:29:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Why would anyone use an assault forgegun then?
Auto-firing is enough of a downside.
Auto-firing is not a downside. Not being able to move like the breach forge gun is a downside. |
N I G
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:29:00 -
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CAELAN Andoril wrote:N I G wrote:shreads your expensive tank into pieces of dust in 5 seconds I've seen plenty of tanks shrug off Forge Gun fire. It's called evasion and tactics, just because you're in a tank it doesn't make you invincible.
just cuz you got a forge gun, It MAKES you OP. And you were probably witnessing Plasma Cannon shots or Militia Forgegun shots |
N I G
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:30:00 -
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Mother Facker wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Why would anyone use an assault forgegun then?
Auto-firing is enough of a downside. Auto-firing is not a downside. Not being able to move like the breach forge gun is a downside.
I agree, breach is quite ba unless your trying to 1 shot a dropship... (very possible with any forgegun) |
N I G
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
16
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:32:00 -
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Marcos Vega wrote:I have the ability to use an officer forge gun and I have trouble taking out a good tanker who actually knows what he's doing. The only people who complain about forge guns are people that have low level vehicles and don't use them properly or infantry that stand still for too long. Go use a forge gun and try to snipewith it, its a hard skill to master. All these Damn people who complain all the time just need to shut up and spend more time playing and maybe their skills will improve. You don't see the best players in the game complaining because they have the skills to adapt to the changing weapons and situations on the battlefield.
I doubt it... Also its easy to spam AFG shots because the radius is huge, the projectile is fast, and the splash damage is huge, and the charge time is small...
I never heard of the officer forgegun.. |
N I G
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
16
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:37:00 -
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gbghg wrote:N I G wrote:gbghg wrote:N I G wrote:gbghg wrote:God no, the only, I repeat only thing that needs fiddling with on the AFG is its charge up time, what it is now is much better than it used to be. If anything should be changed on that weapon it's that. so its ok for it to do 2500+ with a 2 dmg mods and 300 splash damage.... It's a forge gun, it's supposed to do high damage, the issue comes with it's rate of fire where it's putting out a ridiculous amount of shots in a short time, the current charge up time on it is somewhere between 2-2.5 seconds if I remember right, it used to be with maxed skills 1.8 seconds charge up time, they were ridiculously OP back then, they are far far better than they used to be. If people are still finding issue with them (I haven't lately tbh, haven't seen a lot of them) fiddling with the charge up time preserves the damage which a forge gun should have and doesn't make the forge gunners feel persecuted. Well why does the 50k isk 10kg forgegun do more damage than a 5 ton railgun thats worth a million isk, it just doesnt make sense, and yes ur saying, but wait the ishykone dose 1600 not 1750 like the rail gun, but then you get complex damage mods and 25% damage form PRO level while the Rail only get 15% dmg increase from hybrid turrets and turret operation skills put together, Now your saying, but wait tanks can do dmg mods too, actually no cuz if we did, we could get soloed by AR's, n u know this sht is true. That's due to the fact that CCP switched the module and turret costs around so now we have cheap ass modules but ridiculously expensive turrets. And the forge/rail gun balance (while strange I admit) is that forge guns do more damage, but have less range, while rail guns do less damage but have more range. Sadly rendering issues mean that this is somewhat broken right now,
The range of the Railgun is quite big i agree, in fact that much range isn't even needed unless your readline sniping which is bad, the range on the forgegun is quite big as well because in most cases the FGunner can cover 3/4th the match, id rather take a AFG as my turret on a tank rather than a huge railgun because in the end their are more benefits to FG than their is to railgun. I.E. your hunting a Redline tank, if you call in your tank you are a big target but if your a FGunner, you are a very small target and in most cases invincible to the eye of the tanker.... |
castba
Penguin's March
57
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Posted - 2013.08.08 02:56:00 -
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N I G wrote:Marcos Vega wrote:I have the ability to use an officer forge gun and I have trouble taking out a good tanker who actually knows what he's doing. The only people who complain about forge guns are people that have low level vehicles and don't use them properly or infantry that stand still for too long. Go use a forge gun and try to snipewith it, its a hard skill to master. All these Damn people who complain all the time just need to shut up and spend more time playing and maybe their skills will improve. You don't see the best players in the game complaining because they have the skills to adapt to the changing weapons and situations on the battlefield. I doubt it... Also its easy to spam AFG shots because the radius is huge, the projectile is fast, and the splash damage is huge, and the charge time is small... I never heard of the officer forgegun..
All valid complaints from a tanker that doesn't use cover for his MLT tank... and fails to exploit the invincible armour reppers that tanks have at the moment - a proper tank fit can rep faster than an AFG with 2 comp damage mods can damage it (speaks from experience).
Forge sniping is not difficult, but ACCURATE forge gun sniping requires skill... much like effective sniping with any weapon for that matter. Nobody is crying for the plasma cannon to be nerfed but can be just as effective as a forge on a dropship-only accessible roof top. Hell, the HMG on the mushroom is pretty deadly too!
FG splash radius is not huge. Mass driver splash radius is huge. |
N I G
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
16
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Posted - 2013.08.08 03:00:00 -
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castba wrote:N I G wrote:Marcos Vega wrote:I have the ability to use an officer forge gun and I have trouble taking out a good tanker who actually knows what he's doing. The only people who complain about forge guns are people that have low level vehicles and don't use them properly or infantry that stand still for too long. Go use a forge gun and try to snipewith it, its a hard skill to master. All these Damn people who complain all the time just need to shut up and spend more time playing and maybe their skills will improve. You don't see the best players in the game complaining because they have the skills to adapt to the changing weapons and situations on the battlefield. I doubt it... Also its easy to spam AFG shots because the radius is huge, the projectile is fast, and the splash damage is huge, and the charge time is small... I never heard of the officer forgegun.. All valid complaints from a tanker that doesn't use cover for his MLT tank... and fails to exploit the invincible armour reppers that tanks have at the moment - a proper tank fit can rep faster than an AFG with 2 comp damage mods can damage it (speaks from experience). Forge sniping is not difficult, but ACCURATE forge gun sniping requires skill... much like effective sniping with any weapon for that matter. Nobody is crying for the plasma cannon to be nerfed but can be just as effective as a forge on a dropship-only accessible roof top. Hell, the HMG on the mushroom is pretty deadly too! FG splash radius is not huge. Mass driver splash radius is huge.
hmmm so you can rep 2500 damage in 2 seconds, i doubt that too, btw i on my alt i got 7 mil sp into tanks, dont tell me what im driving or how im tanking cuz no matter how good of a tanker you are or how good your tank is, you gonna get fked up in 6 seconds by a fgunner.... |
N I G
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
16
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Posted - 2013.08.08 03:01:00 -
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castba wrote:N I G wrote:Marcos Vega wrote:I have the ability to use an officer forge gun and I have trouble taking out a good tanker who actually knows what he's doing. The only people who complain about forge guns are people that have low level vehicles and don't use them properly or infantry that stand still for too long. Go use a forge gun and try to snipewith it, its a hard skill to master. All these Damn people who complain all the time just need to shut up and spend more time playing and maybe their skills will improve. You don't see the best players in the game complaining because they have the skills to adapt to the changing weapons and situations on the battlefield. I doubt it... Also its easy to spam AFG shots because the radius is huge, the projectile is fast, and the splash damage is huge, and the charge time is small... I never heard of the officer forgegun.. All valid complaints from a tanker that doesn't use cover for his MLT tank... and fails to exploit the invincible armour reppers that tanks have at the moment - a proper tank fit can rep faster than an AFG with 2 comp damage mods can damage it (speaks from experience). Forge sniping is not difficult, but ACCURATE forge gun sniping requires skill... much like effective sniping with any weapon for that matter. Nobody is crying for the plasma cannon to be nerfed but can be just as effective as a forge on a dropship-only accessible roof top. Hell, the HMG on the mushroom is pretty deadly too! FG splash radius is not huge. Mass driver splash radius is huge.
And you are quite stupid for saying a HMG is effective at medium range, and no, plasma cannons ARE absolute SHlT against everything... |
BLKDG
ROYAL SQUAD
Shadow of the Apocalypse
40
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Posted - 2013.08.08 03:11:00 -
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Breach FG can move
You can bunny hop where you need to go! Its so OP, a bunny hopping Heavy with a charged Breach!
Nerf Hopping.
To all those getting nailed by a Breach- that charge up time is long, if you stand still that long you should feel bad.
As a reply to the other FG OP, shenanigans...
Counter with:
Sniping
Running, walking, or just generally moving and not staying still
Our range is limited, the rail tank has render limitations for its range
also tactics work
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N1ck Comeau
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
928
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Posted - 2013.08.08 03:13:00 -
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THe forgegun autoshoots when fully charged. So if your accuracy is just a tad off, you'll miss |
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N I G
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
16
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Posted - 2013.08.08 03:17:00 -
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BLKDG wrote:Breach FG can move
You can bunny hop where you need to go! Its so OP, a bunny hopping Heavy with a charged Breach!
Nerf Hopping.
To all those getting nailed by a Breach- that charge up time is long, if you stand still that long you should feel bad.
As a reply to the other FG OP, shenanigans...
Counter with:
Sniping
Running, walking, or just generally moving and not staying still
Our range is limited, the rail tank has render limitations for its range
also tactics work
Now how the fk am i suppose to counter when im in a tank on the ground and this is a btch on a pillar. |
N I G
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
16
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Posted - 2013.08.08 03:18:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:THe forgegun autoshoots when fully charged. So if your accuracy is just a tad off, you'll miss
LOL, tanks are slow as sht.... especially shield tanks... you'll never miss... |
Medical Crash
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
RUST415
51
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Posted - 2013.08.08 03:20:00 -
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N I G wrote:Give it a overheat, about every 2 shots ,it overheats for 8 seconds.... Also remove the proficiency skill, it already does a crap ton of damage, it dont need no moe... Also reduce damage by a tad pretty hard nerf.... But dis shizzz be OP as fkkkkkk This is called http://www.brainharmonycenter.com/images/brain-balance-06.jpg
How about... we LEAVE IT ALONE! Nothing wrong with it, just stop complaining. |
cedz636
BLaQ Heavy CORP
98
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Posted - 2013.08.08 03:21:00 -
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N I G wrote:cedz636 wrote:This thread sucks. How about you make suggestions on how to fix the assault forge gun, like you implied in the title. What you suggested would nerf it to oblivion, and CCP does that enough on their own. So how about you practice with this thread, make a reasonable request with a valid argument, drop the attitudes, and re-post this thread in the feedback / suggestions page. this is how you fix a OP weapon to bring it into line with all the other weapons... What you think it is UP?
In no way is it UP. I simply stated that if you had your way with the assault FG, no body would use it. |
castba
Penguin's March
57
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Posted - 2013.08.08 03:21:00 -
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N I G wrote:castba wrote:
All valid complaints from a tanker that doesn't use cover for his MLT tank... and fails to exploit the invincible armour reppers that tanks have at the moment - a proper tank fit can rep faster than an AFG with 2 comp damage mods can damage it (speaks from experience).
Forge sniping is not difficult, but ACCURATE forge gun sniping requires skill... much like effective sniping with any weapon for that matter. Nobody is crying for the plasma cannon to be nerfed but can be just as effective as a forge on a dropship-only accessible roof top. Hell, the HMG on the mushroom is pretty deadly too!
FG splash radius is not huge. Mass driver splash radius is huge.
And you are quite stupid for saying a HMG is effective at medium range, and no, plasma cannons ARE absolute SHlT against everything...
Stupid or just thinking outside the box?
I had the opportunity to use the HMG (standard with 1 damage mod) on top of the mushroom last night and was surprisingly quite effective.
Also, plasma cannons CAN be used effectively. Maybe most of this stuff doesn't suit your play style or maybe you just refuse to think creatively to find ways of making "****" weapons effective.
I should note that I find the PLC to be rubbish, but that is because I have not spent the time and effort to develop the skills/tactics necessary to utilise it effectively. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
1156
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Posted - 2013.08.08 03:27:00 -
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N I G wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:N I G wrote:Give it a overheat, about every 2 shots ,it overheats for 8 seconds.... Also remove the proficiency skill, it already does a crap ton of damage, it dont need no moe... Also reduce damage by a tad and increase assault forgegun charge to 3 seconds. pretty hard nerf.... But dis shizzz be OP as fkkkkkk This is called http://www.brainharmonycenter.com/images/brain-balance-06.jpg I'm sorry you spec'd into a weapon that is so versatile that you can't actually handle every situation. Please have a tissue. My sp is everywhere....
You don't say? |
cedz636
BLaQ Heavy CORP
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Posted - 2013.08.08 03:29:00 -
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if there were a top 10 worst threads of the week, this one would be in a podium position |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
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Posted - 2013.08.08 03:38:00 -
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Mother Facker wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Why would anyone use an assault forgegun then?
Auto-firing is enough of a downside. Auto-firing is not a downside. Not being able to move like the breach forge gun is a downside.
That's a first. Never thought I'd hear someone say not being able to hold the charge for the best possible shot is somehow positive. |
Marcos Vega
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
16
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Posted - 2013.08.08 03:41:00 -
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N I G wrote:castba wrote:N I G wrote:Marcos Vega wrote:I have the ability to use an officer forge gun and I have trouble taking out a good tanker who actually knows what he's doing. The only people who complain about forge guns are people that have low level vehicles and don't use them properly or infantry that stand still for too long. Go use a forge gun and try to snipewith it, its a hard skill to master. All these Damn people who complain all the time just need to shut up and spend more time playing and maybe their skills will improve. You don't see the best players in the game complaining because they have the skills to adapt to the changing weapons and situations on the battlefield. I doubt it... Also its easy to spam AFG shots because the radius is huge, the projectile is fast, and the splash damage is huge, and the charge time is small... I never heard of the officer forgegun.. All valid complaints from a tanker that doesn't use cover for his MLT tank... and fails to exploit the invincible armour reppers that tanks have at the moment - a proper tank fit can rep faster than an AFG with 2 comp damage mods can damage it (speaks from experience). Forge sniping is not difficult, but ACCURATE forge gun sniping requires skill... much like effective sniping with any weapon for that matter. Nobody is crying for the plasma cannon to be nerfed but can be just as effective as a forge on a dropship-only accessible roof top. Hell, the HMG on the mushroom is pretty deadly too! FG splash radius is not huge. Mass driver splash radius is huge. And you are quite stupid for saying a HMG is effective at medium range, and no, plasma cannons ARE absolute SHlT against everything...
A heavy using an assault hmg can be pretty deadly at medium range. Any weapon can be deadly it all depends on who is using it. People complain about certain weapons being op but I've ran into skilled and unskilled users of every weapon. Back when the core flaylock was considered op people who had skills could take my heavy out and then there were the players who couldn't hit me even if I was a football field wide and standing 2 inches in front of them. Nothing in this game is seriously op its just the vets in the game that have mastered it and you cant give them **** for it. |
CAELAN Andoril
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.08.08 04:49:00 -
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N I G wrote:[just cuz you got a forge gun, It MAKES you OP. And you were probably witnessing Plasma Cannon shots or Militia Forgegun shots
Yes, I somehow mistook my 9K330 Forge Gun for a Militia Forge Gun. That totally happened. |
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Cy Clone1
Ancient Exiles
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.08.08 04:55:00 -
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N I G wrote:CAELAN Andoril wrote:N I G wrote:so its ok for it to do 2500+ with a 2 dmg mods and 300 splash damage.... It's an AV weapon, so yes, yes it is. your obviously not a vehicle driver, btw its used as Anti infantry most of the time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4Cn9ukjTms
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Cy Clone1
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.08.08 04:56:00 -
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also they should just decrease the damage on the assault variant. that's what every other assault variant is like for other weapons. thanks |
castba
Penguin's March
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:04:00 -
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Cy Clone1 wrote:also they should just decrease the damage on the assault variant. that's what every other assault variant is like for other weapons. thanks
So increased range and decreased damage eh?
I guess then it should also be able to hold its charge like the other FGs? |
Nelo Angel0
The Nommo
Insurance Fraud.
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:22:00 -
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castba wrote:Cy Clone1 wrote:also they should just decrease the damage on the assault variant. that's what every other assault variant is like for other weapons. thanks So increased range and decreased damage eh? I guess then it should also be able to hold its charge like the other FGs?
Then it'd basically be just the regular forge gun :/.
Really the FGs are fine. Last I checked even with PRO weapons a FG can't solo a surya or sgaris. I only managed to pull that bit of luck of once and it was with a gastun against the shield ver. So leave breach FGs alone they don't need to be touched at all. If you decrease the range and damage on the assault FG then in turn one would also need to increase the splash radius and splash dmg(this applies twice as much if the charge time is touched).
Another thing I tend to find funny is how people are complaining about the PRO level FGs ignoring the biggest thing about them. THEIR PRO LEVEL WEAPONS their suppose to be damn effective. If they aren't than no one would spec into them at all. Aside from that FGs only have 4 shots; It's important to note that since most tanks can live through those 4 shots and the breach won't get that many shots off to begin with. If anything armor tankers that get hit by FGs won't be killed by solo FGs since their reppers/resistance can help them tank all 4 shots.
Shield tankers are the only people at risk from getting killed by FG shots since their shields heal slowly and there isn't much of them. The reason for that being their not really those type of tanks to begin with though soooo.. Oh I almost forgot to mention the lmited ammo/reload is what prevents FGs from effectively self tanking tanks. If infantry starts attacking them the same precious ammo they could spend killing a tank is now being wasted to kill one person. If said person is on equal footing it becomes MUCH harder to actually hit them and costs even more shots. If the FGs are the breach type than... No one should be complaining their the epitome of AV.
So like I said FG are FINE! If anyone wants to bring up logibros DOING THEIR JOBS by dropping nanohives should hush and really consider what their about to say. Once upon a time tanks use to not have reppers and carry logibros on their backs repping them. |
Awesome Pantaloons
Tech Guard
General Tso's Alliance
8
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:30:00 -
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You're probably posting this because you got killed by an AFG a lot today. Which means two things most likely coincided: you met with a skilled heavy, and you decided not to move. I'm getting sick of the "nerf da fuqn ferg gunz!!!" threads almost as much as the MD nerf threads. Just please... stop. Nerfing is bad. Things are fine as they are. Forge Guns do exactly what they need to do. >.> Don't be jealous just because your flimsy arms can't lift a manly weapon. DO YOU EVEN LIFT BRO??!? |
TrampleTheWeak
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:32:00 -
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Oh no! I got killed in a game where you're supposed to get killed! I better go make a ******* thread about it! |
Mother Facker
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.08.08 05:52:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Mother Facker wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Why would anyone use an assault forgegun then?
Auto-firing is enough of a downside. Auto-firing is not a downside. Not being able to move like the breach forge gun is a downside. That's a first. Never thought I'd hear someone say not being able to hold the charge for the best possible shot is somehow positive.
Best possible shot? Tanks and dropships are huge targets. You don't need to line up the best possible shot. By using the assault variant over the standard DPS increases because of higher damage per shot and faster fire rate. If you're using the assault forge gun on infantry just go for a quick follow up shot and 2 shot kill with splash damage. |
BLKDG
ROYAL SQUAD
Shadow of the Apocalypse
41
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Posted - 2013.08.08 07:04:00 -
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N I G wrote:BLKDG wrote:Breach FG can move
You can bunny hop where you need to go! Its so OP, a bunny hopping Heavy with a charged Breach!
Nerf Hopping.
To all those getting nailed by a Breach- that charge up time is long, if you stand still that long you should feel bad.
As a reply to the other FG OP, shenanigans...
Counter with:
Sniping
Running, walking, or just generally moving and not staying still
Our range is limited, the rail tank has render limitations for its range
also tactics work
Now how the fk am i suppose to counter when im in a tank on the ground and this is a btch on a pillar.
Call in a sniper they are out in the open...
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
EoN.
1540
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Posted - 2013.08.08 07:09:00 -
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Just curious... why would you use any other FG but the AFG? Seriously, the dps potential on the AFG overshadows any use for the other variants if you have an ounce of skill.
I seriously think the AFG should be reworked into an anti infantry weapon, leaving the basic FG and breach for AV.
Something like 450 direct and 300 splash damage, 2s base charge time, auto firing, 6 round clip, and 3-4m of splash radius. |
GET ATMESON
Robbing The Hood
97
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Posted - 2013.08.08 07:34:00 -
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N I G wrote:Give it a overheat, about every 2 shots ,it overheats for 8 seconds.... Also remove the proficiency skill, it already does a crap ton of damage, it dont need no moe... Also reduce damage by a tad pretty hard nerf.... But dis shizzz be OP as fkkkkkk This is called http://www.brainharmonycenter.com/images/brain-balance-06.jpg
Why not nerf your AR and remove its proficiency skill. Thats a great idea. I agree with one thing. It does to much damage without prof. If the forge gun is nerfed to hell I want my SP back I put into it from about 3 months ago. I will go SW with lvl 5 prof |
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