let's make an example of a match of 10 minutes and 1000 wp

A) 600 sec * 5sp + 1000 wp * 1sp= 4000 sp
B) 600 sec * 3sp + 1000 wp * 3sp= 4800 sp
C) 600 sec * 2sp + 1000 wp * 5sp= 6200 sp
D) 600 sec * 2sp + 1000 wp * 10sp= 11200 sp

E) 600 sec * 2sp + 1000 wp * 4sp= 5200 sp
F) 600 sec * 1sp + 1000 wp * 5sp= 5600 sp

can i pick option E or F?

New Active SP reward system

Active SP is currently awarded at: 5 SP per second + 1 SP per WP.

I think that this is the main reason for the proliferation of AFK SP farming. The difference between ZERO effort and some effort is negligable because the majority of your SP is earned for simply being in the match.

If a player were to AFK only, they will manage to hit the weekly cap in 10.6 hours. A player earning a consistent 3000 WP per hour (1000 SP per skirmish or 750 WP per Ambush) would cap out in 9.1 hours. Clearly 1.5 hours saved is not a great way to incentivise or reward playing.

We can see this demonstrated in the following chart: http://i.imgur.com/ZuO7o1j.png?1

I'd like to consider 3 alternatives:

A) 5 SP per second + 1 SP per WP [now]
B) 3 SP per second + 3 SP per WP
C) 2 SP per second + 5 SP per WP
D) 2 SP per second + 10 SP per WP

Chart: http://i.imgur.com/FfZz3P6.png?1
Table: http://i.imgur.com/yXpO8Po.png?1

These alternatives really reward active players a lot more; and allow many more players to reach the cap. AFK activity will drop right off, since it becomes dramatically suboptimal.

Are there any of these that you prefer the look of? Any other options you'd like to see? I feel pretentious enough today to ask you to like the choices in the posts to follow.

the problem is, the WP system is not perfect. Making WP the cornerstone, rather than auxillary to the SP gain opens up a host of problems, because now WP trumps winning, or playing the way you want to play, or anything else. You don't get WP for NOT DYING. There are a ton of other things you don't get WP for.

Basically you can do really well in a match, not die very much, and not be AFK the whole time, and end up suddenly with a fraction of the SP of anyone in a logi suit, or someone that played a suicide shotgun scout the whole game, because now WP are 50 or 80% of your SP gain instead of 20%.

Its a great idea but it would cause the WP metagame to completely dominate player behavior even more than it already does. It would be much better to just start kicking people for being AFK (and the detection system doesn't need to be an easily-exploited, naive thing).

D) 2 SP per second + 10 SP per WP

Yes, there's definitely a balance to be struck between rewarding WP/playing and not ending up 'punishing' those matches where you just get outclassed or you just have a playstyle that assists the team to win but is not reflected in WP awards.

What would be even better is a graduated SP/WP mechanics so you reward skill without penalizing lack of it.

0 - 500 WP = 8 SP/WP (4000 SP)
500 - 1000 WP = 4 SP/WP (2000 SP)
1000+ WP = 2 SP/WP

all of this + 1 SP/s in battle.

So you discourage WP farming, while still rewarding participation and skill. However, the first 500 WP gets you the bulk of your SP, so unskilled players making 0-500 WP per battle aren't totally boned.

So 1345 WP in a 10 minute battle would net you

600 WP base + 4000 SP (0 - 500 WP) + 2000 SP (500 - 1000 WP) + 690 SP (1000 - 1345 WP)

For a total of: 7290 SP

C and D are better for me, but that would prevent a lot of players from hitting the weekly cap.

I would choose 5 SP/s and 5 SP/WP. This would be beneficial to all skill sets and significantly reduce the grind for veterans.

What if the winning team received a flat bonus of say 1000 SP to each player? That way you can play to win even if you don't end up earning all that many WP during the battle.

I think a flat bonus would be better than a simple multiplier of say 1.5x. A multiplier still mostly rewards those at the top of the score board.

So you end up with WP being your performance related pay and winning being a (significant) flat bonus.

What if the winning team received a flat bonus of say 1000 SP to each player? That way you can play to win even if you don't end up earning all that many WP during the battle.

I think a flat bonus would be better than a simple multiplier of say 1.5x. A multiplier still mostly rewards those at the top of the score board.

So you end up with WP being your performance related pay and winning being a (significant) flat bonus.

New Active SP reward system

Active SP is currently awarded at: 5 SP per second + 1 SP per WP.

I think that this is the main reason for the proliferation of AFK SP farming. The difference between ZERO effort and some effort is negligable because the majority of your SP is earned for simply being in the match.

If a player were to AFK only, they will manage to hit the weekly cap in 10.6 hours. A player earning a consistent 3000 WP per hour (1000 SP per skirmish or 750 WP per Ambush) would cap out in 9.1 hours. Clearly 1.5 hours saved is not a great way to incentivise or reward playing.

We can see this demonstrated in the following chart: http://i.imgur.com/ZuO7o1j.png?1

I'd like to consider 3 alternatives:

A) 5 SP per second + 1 SP per WP [now]
B) 3 SP per second + 3 SP per WP
C) 2 SP per second + 5 SP per WP
D) 2 SP per second + 10 SP per WP

Chart: http://i.imgur.com/FfZz3P6.png?1
Table: http://i.imgur.com/yXpO8Po.png?1

These alternatives really reward active players a lot more; and allow many more players to reach the cap. AFK activity will drop right off, since it becomes dramatically suboptimal.

Are there any of these that you prefer the look of? Any other options you'd like to see? I feel pretentious enough today to ask you to like the choices in the posts to follow.

I think the issue with 5/5 would be that you wouldn't reduce the incentive to AFK to hit the cap. I freely admit to taking advantage of AFKing; and going to 5/5 wouldn't stop be at all.

It's not about reducing the incentive to AFK, it's about increasing the incentive to want to play. You can carry your team and you're barely rewarded for it(thus 5/5 although 5/10 would reduce the grind even further - the fact that we call it a grind says something in and of itself).

That being said you can't cut out those players who don't rack up the WP every game whether they are new or playing a role that doesn't give you many WP such as a dropship pilot or being a distraction. Dust shouldn't be a part time job.