If there becomes another EoN, then that would be great because I doubt that EoN would tap out unless players just got bored with the game.

I don't understand it when people say PC is broke. What were guys expecting out of PC? You attack territory, you hold it, and you fight to defend it. What is missing out of PC? Maybe this deserves its own thread.

Some people have more money than others. That's why you call for donations.

Also new players are stupid. They are the best ones to ask for donations.

You should give me a donation.

Sure, right after you give me two million.

That way we break even.

Considering EoN is farming the districts, No1 else has the funds to wage war even if they wanted too. EoN has the funds but no1 to attack and your still asking whats broke?

What do you think could have made PC interesting? Because maybe I am just missing what guys are or were looking for, as far as PC is concerned.

Besides being able to provide orbitals from space, what more were you guys expecting from a Dust/Eve link? The only mechanic that can prevent an alliance from controlling MH is if battles did not allow for ringers. Other than that, you can't blame CCP for one corp being able to dominate another corp.

As far as defense and attack goes....sure, CCP can implement skirmish 1.0 as the sole game mode for PC battles. But not having skirmish 1.0 isn't a make or break thing for PC.

My personal opinion of what could have made this more interesting would be.

1 - As you said, having Skirmish 1.0 as the game mode for PC. You have defenders and an invading force.
2 - Dont have the clones magically appear on a planet district. That they are transported through EVE space and can be attacked/defended by EVE ships. That would make having EVE support very valuable to the game. It would also give a sense of front lines where the further the ships need to push, the better the chance for them being attacked or not make it at all.
3 - Have some real value to the EVE folks (no clue what that is because Im not an EVE player)
4 - Have the ability to use attrition as a viable tactic. That would be something that would give a new a new dimension and actually make it feel like warfare. Sometimes in real life numbers and/or money truly do beat skill.

This is an idea I had had previously - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1094269#post1094269

I dont have the magic solution for all of this and I have no background in game design but what I do know is that PC has no depth to it nor does it have any feel of battle/war beyond a small pitched fight. Scramble onto the field, scramble to the next objective and then play ring around the rosie until someone wins.

Our wallet is pretty nice to bad no one still plays or gives a flying **** about pc

Take it all and run!

Im waiting for some people to return so we can rebuild our IMPire

Im sure you guys will make a big IMPact

I agree EoN has Solidarity, which is an admirable trait.

on the subject of PC being broke, all these matches are just skirmishes, not even skirmish 1.0 which gives a semblance of attack and defend.
But I'll need to write a much longer thread and I run a corp on my alt and they're having a corp meeting early in the morning.

Here's the short version
lets say ML attacks RND in the new system of PC
RND will have the ability to store 400 clones on their district 500 if it's the type of district that can hold more clones. no reinforcments for the first round, no timers either.

ML can attack at any time with up to 3 clone packs so 360 clones.
ML attacks at Noon

there is 30 mins before the match starts
so the first battle happens at 12:30 PM
The First Battle
Skirmish 1.0 match
Attacker Victory means there is 2nd battle
Defender Victory means Attackers are stopped Defenders gain 50% of clones left attackers keep 20% the rest are destroyed.

Assuming the Attackers win there is a 12 hour timer that starts til the next battle Defenders can reinforce with 120 clones as can attackers but neither side can exceed their clone limit (360 for attackers or 400/500 for defenders)

Match 2 starts at 12:30 AM
The Second Battle
Domination/Skirmish 2.0
Attacker Victory by clones means the district flips
Attacker MCC victory means defenders lose 50% of clones for the third battle
Defender Clone Victory District Attack Ends
Defender MCC victory attackers lose 50% of clones

No reinforcements for this battle
Battle 3 starts in 6 hours or 6:30 AM in this example
[uThird Battle[/u]
Ambush OMS
Attacker Wins Clone out District Flips
Attacker Wins Time runs out Defender loses all of their clones defender gains 75% of them the other 25% are destoyed; District Flips
Defender Wins Clone out District Stays the same
Defender Wins Time runs out Attacker loses all of their clones defender gains 75% of them the other 25% are destoyed; District stays in the Defenders hands
the winner will have the threat of an immediate counter attack, sucks but hey, it will be a true pissing contest.

My personal opinion of what could have made this more interesting would be.

1 - As you said, having Skirmish 1.0 as the game mode for PC. You have defenders and an invading force.
2 - Dont have the clones magically appear on a planet district. That they are transported through EVE space and can be attacked/defended by EVE ships. That would make having EVE support very valuable to the game. It would also give a sense of front lines where the further the ships need to push, the better the chance for them being attacked or not make it at all.
3 - Have some real value to the EVE folks (no clue what that is because Im not an EVE player)
4 - Have the ability to use attrition as a viable tactic. That would be something that would give the game a new dimension and actually make it feel like warfare. Sometimes in real life numbers and/or money truly do beat skill.

This is an idea I had had previously - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1094269#post1094269

I dont have the magic solution for all of this and I have no background in game design but what I do know is that PC has no depth to it nor does it have any feel of battle/war beyond a small pitched fight. Scramble onto the field, scramble to the next objective and then play ring around the rosie until someone wins.

It's all about the clones. Many clones die every day in eve.....that's the link. Have costs associated with clones.

Corps can already Zerg their way to districts....corps can only defend so many districts at once.

Eve/dust link needs have impact or this game fails. There is no reason you should get orbitals in PC without eve support. Also shouldn't be linked to wp totals. How you balance that......I donno. Perhaps have cool down timers based on number pilots above the planet. Have the eve pilots "grind" for an orbital. Orbit a beacon or kill a specific number of rats....etc.

I get what you are saying

- for us to impact EVE we need to have something they want. A crucial part of their game that ground pounders control. I don't know what that would be since I'm not a player
- I wouldn't want corps to just be able to no-talent Zerg however there should be room for diversity of tactics. To have a strategy that extends beyond the match itself

I do agree that corps with less skill should be able to survive in pc. I believe, that without the ringer mechanic, this could be possible. So, let's say a corp of Delta Force size (well, before they lost members) was in pc. They would be able to hold more districts than a smaller and more skilled corp. If that smaller corp went to war with DF, they may win some battles and even take districts. But they wouldn't be able to take all of Delta Force's districts because they wouldn't be able to field enough people from their corp to make all of their timers if DF launched a massive offensive.

The smaller corp wouldn't be able to use ringers so the amount of districts that they hold will be dependent on their numbers. So, a smaller more skillful corp may only have three districts or so but they wouldn't be able to go to war with a large corp because of the sheer numbers of the larger corp. The larger corp may be able to hold 12, 15 districts or so and once at war, the larger corp can attack their districts...thus tying them up. The smaller corp may even be able to take a district or two but they won't be able to dent the larger corp because they wouldn't have the numbers.

Thread got derailed into something actually worthwhile. Sucks. :/

Eve pilots shouldn't be able to just bombard the dust field with strikes though. I'm satisfied with the fact that you have to earn it.....If we can't get orbitals without eve support then that still places Eve on a higher pedestal than Dust. Because then, every corp in pc will need to have eve backing. At the same time, eve won't need dust backing....I'm not comfortable with that.

None of these, however, will dramatically increase the pc experience.

See, I don't agree with your scenario. I love the fact that you have 24 hours to prepare. With no reinforcement timer and no android app to alert me of a battle....how could I defend my districts all the time? It would only be great for guys who really don't have anything going on.

Plus, ambush sucks for a clan battle. And although you have added different game modes and such, pc would essentially still be the same. Which would be corp battles for districts.

An app to alert you would be a neccessity,
Still you might have to pull together a militia of troops to win the battle the amush would be the last battle,
most attackers would win the first battle but it's a whole 12 hours heck let's double it to 24 hours to give extra time, winning the first battle doesn't make a huge impact anyways and there are some counters in place to combat the first battle

Some Edits/ Reasoning
The first battle is to give the attackers a foothold and locks the district for for 24 hours plus the amount of time it would take to get to the district's timer hours till round 2

Attacks are encouraged to be sneaky and go for a time when the defenders are un prepared because so much hinges on the first attack.

The Second attack is kind of the fair(er) fight It shapes the next battle. You get time to reinforce with 120 clones as the Defender not as an attacker

The third Attack should be something other than ambush but it would seem like boring if it was another skirmish/domination, A unique mode would be better but ambush would do for killing the last of a districts clones off.

I didnt say it was CCP's fault, thats EoN's fault. They kick everyone off the map, control the map so no1 other than them can raise money, then wonder why there is no1 left to fight..

This is just turning into a round and round and im not even trying to rant on EoN this time

You mean beat all the alliances we were at war with right??? Mister hardfacts is slipping smh