Apparently you dont know how to read like your buddies, I am in EoN. You just cant see past your egos that some of us respectable corps actually want change and the ignorance to stop. Spin it anyway you want, you boys here in these forums fall short of the brain capacity to look at the big picture. Sad day for you boys.

EoN leadership tried playing the politics and meta gaming roles here with there PR BS. Now that that vulnerability has been exploited (META/Politics) and there starting to look bad, they now want us to Take it to PC (The FPS) Portion of the game. Not this time, thats giving them home field advantage. Here in 2 out of 3 aspects of the game, they are weak. So why give them the advantage now after everything they have done?

Som1 is a dust noob Dust has 3 aspects, FPS, Politics, Meta. EoN has been feeding there political/Meta BS PR crap since PC started, Now that they are being eatin alive, you've all flipped the switch saying oh attack us blablabla.

GOML noob lol refer to post #94, more threats to thumb wiggle a guy to death eh? lmao, I wonder how many people are enjoying your chest beating nonsense.

EDIT: Forum hero eh? I've had most of you riding my nuts all day whats that say about you tough guy?

I dont need your life story kid, some of us are prior military with wives, kids, and lives. What do you have? What have you done with your life? Practiced playing shooter games? Got a basement to yourself were you practice wiggling your thumbs and call yourself a soldier? Get good nub.

Meta war? If thats what this is you guys suck at it. This was to destroy you and turn the masses against you, kind of like ancient rome. The mob is fickle.

Ive succeded at 1/2 the job and planted the thoughts and hate needed to finish the job. It may take time, but it can be done

You've done your part, but what about the others? All I see is finger pointing from everyone else, so far.

Yea I agree lol, but as I said making an alliance big enough to take on 15 corps would be more of a headache then its worth, its easier to just to create pure boredem then deal with a 20-30 corp alliance. Even if we did do it it would make us no better than them.. So yea.. That is the problem. If CCP made a maximum of 5 corps per alliance they would have been dead a long time ago.

Who are these 15 corps that you speak of?

No offense but you realize how much it would take to organize that crap Not worth it IMO If som1 else wants to do it. eh. More power to them.

The 1 huge down fall of an alliance, when 1 corp goes to sh*t or f*cks up, Everything just starts goin downhill. I'll pass.

Lead the charge then sir. I'm not gonna be the 1 to give EoN an excuse to make that big blue donut BIGGER.

You just joined eon lol, AND because we arent dealing with real life military veterans here. Were are dealing with a bunch of nerds and broken down men here, as soon as the movement starts everyone will run to EoN for easy mode. THEN that donut will just grow and grow and grow.

So if you want it done lead the charge. Very few of us are military vets with balls. The rest however, as i said, want easy mode.

Then someone else becomes EoN. There needs to be plenty of factions(Corps/Alliances) able to challenge each other and there are, but PC is broke (CCP's fault) and no one wants to fight.

Considering EoN is farming the districts, No1 else has the funds to wage war even if they wanted too. EoN has the funds but no1 to attack and your still asking whats broke?

dubbs, come on man. You actually believe that the mechanics CCP put in place actually make PC interesting? They took corp battles and bobby pinned a map to it. The so called DUST/EVE link was nothing more than a fancy rainbow OB that bored the EVE folks to tears within a week or two.

Things that CCP never took into account
- How do we make the matches feel like there is a sense of attack and a sense of defending? How do you immerse players in the game?
- How do we make sure that one talented team/alliance does not run the table and spell the end of PC until they get bored and leave or the game goes down the tube (not mutually exclusive)

This was nothing more than a rush job by CCP to launch the game while hoping and praying that it would succeed.

I didnt say it was CCP's fault, thats EoN's fault. They kick everyone off the map, control the map so no1 other than them can raise money, then wonder why there is no1 left to fight..

This is just turning into a round and round and im not even trying to rant on EoN this time

I agree EoN has Solidarity, which is an admirable trait.

on the subject of PC being broke, all these matches are just skirmishes, not even skirmish 1.0 which gives a semblance of attack and defend.
But I'll need to write a much longer thread and I run a corp on my alt and they're having a corp meeting early in the morning.

Here's the short version
lets say ML attacks RND in the new system of PC
RND will have the ability to store 400 clones on their district 500 if it's the type of district that can hold more clones. no reinforcments for the first round, no timers either.

ML can attack at any time with up to 3 clone packs so 360 clones.
ML attacks at Noon

there is 30 mins before the match starts
so the first battle happens at 12:30 PM
The First Battle
Skirmish 1.0 match
Attacker Victory means there is 2nd battle
Defender Victory means Attackers are stopped Defenders gain 50% of clones left attackers keep 20% the rest are destroyed.

Assuming the Attackers win there is a 12 hour timer that starts til the next battle Defenders can reinforce with 120 clones as can attackers but neither side can exceed their clone limit (360 for attackers or 400/500 for defenders)

Match 2 starts at 12:30 AM
The Second Battle
Domination/Skirmish 2.0
Attacker Victory by clones means the district flips
Attacker MCC victory means defenders lose 50% of clones for the third battle
Defender Clone Victory District Attack Ends
Defender MCC victory attackers lose 50% of clones

No reinforcements for this battle
Battle 3 starts in 6 hours or 6:30 AM in this example
[uThird Battle[/u]
Ambush OMS
Attacker Wins Clone out District Flips
Attacker Wins Time runs out Defender loses all of their clones defender gains 75% of them the other 25% are destoyed; District Flips
Defender Wins Clone out District Stays the same
Defender Wins Time runs out Attacker loses all of their clones defender gains 75% of them the other 25% are destoyed; District stays in the Defenders hands
the winner will have the threat of an immediate counter attack, sucks but hey, it will be a true pissing contest.

My personal opinion of what could have made this more interesting would be.

1 - As you said, having Skirmish 1.0 as the game mode for PC. You have defenders and an invading force.
2 - Dont have the clones magically appear on a planet district. That they are transported through EVE space and can be attacked/defended by EVE ships. That would make having EVE support very valuable to the game. It would also give a sense of front lines where the further the ships need to push, the better the chance for them being attacked or not make it at all.
3 - Have some real value to the EVE folks (no clue what that is because Im not an EVE player)
4 - Have the ability to use attrition as a viable tactic. That would be something that would give the game a new dimension and actually make it feel like warfare. Sometimes in real life numbers and/or money truly do beat skill.

This is an idea I had had previously - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1094269#post1094269

I dont have the magic solution for all of this and I have no background in game design but what I do know is that PC has no depth to it nor does it have any feel of battle/war beyond a small pitched fight. Scramble onto the field, scramble to the next objective and then play ring around the rosie until someone wins.

It's all about the clones. Many clones die every day in eve.....that's the link. Have costs associated with clones.

Corps can already Zerg their way to districts....corps can only defend so many districts at once.

Eve/dust link needs have impact or this game fails. There is no reason you should get orbitals in PC without eve support. Also shouldn't be linked to wp totals. How you balance that......I donno. Perhaps have cool down timers based on number pilots above the planet. Have the eve pilots "grind" for an orbital. Orbit a beacon or kill a specific number of rats....etc.

I get what you are saying

- for us to impact EVE we need to have something they want. A crucial part of their game that ground pounders control. I don't know what that would be since I'm not a player
- I wouldn't want corps to just be able to no-talent Zerg however there should be room for diversity of tactics. To have a strategy that extends beyond the match itself

To make the two games matter to each other should be somewhat simple if CCP could actually put in the time and effort to work on the mechanics of it.

DUST mercs control districts that produce things that EVE pilots need
EVE pilots control the off planet actions (transport, defending against incursions etc) which DUST mercs need to get around

Like it or not, having something like this would be the only way to really mesh the games together. If you dont have a true link then DUST is just another FPS game with a cool marketing story.