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Hasa Hakira Dust2Dust. Top Men. 16	Posted - 2013.08.03 14:48:00 - [1] - Quote If you just had an ambush game that ended 20/5 for you or something along those lines and all your DEATHS were because of LAVs roadkilling you = You are playing LAV 514 and ... It really doesn't matter how good you perform , if the other team LAVs yours = you lose The game before that which I had was 30/4 for me (yes 4 LAV deaths) and my team still lost ... Something is really wrong with the roadkilling and if the team which perform s it wins and the team which excells in gungame LOSES in a FPS game = DEVs you are doing it wrong ... just saying ....
Hasa Hakira Dust2Dust. Top Men. 16	Posted - 2013.08.03 14:53:00 - [2] - Quote This shouldn't be fixed in 1.5 at the end of september or october or whenever you going to introduce the patch ... It should be fixed like TONIGHT ... The game and the players are hurting badly from it
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 61	Posted - 2013.08.03 14:55:00 - [3] - Quote Anti-vehicle gear is pretty handy.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 439	Posted - 2013.08.03 14:55:00 - [4] - Quote your tears are so fresh and tasty
Funkmaster Whale 0uter.Heaven EoN. 158	Posted - 2013.08.03 15:02:00 - [5] - Quote First, run in a squad. Second, get a good AV guy/girl in your squad and make good friends with them. I run Assault and an pretty much 100% anti-infantry, but when it comes to vehicles I typically just play the high ground or avoid them all together. When I DO get plagued by them, I get my buddy running Proto Swarms with Proficiency 5 and 5 damage mods in my squad to help keep the field clear. He's one that you don't run over, or you're gonna have a very bad time in that LAV.
LudiKure ninda Trans Worlds Operations League of Infamy 5	Posted - 2013.08.03 15:06:00 - [6] - Quote Its really funny when you come at the some high platform at any map and you see all redberys hiding from 5 enemy LAV -s And you make a multikill (4) man road kill hahaha
Hasa Hakira Dust2Dust. Top Men. 16	Posted - 2013.08.03 15:06:00 - [7] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: your tears are so fresh and tasty You can drink my tears when I shed one to begin with But I digress... I am not mad or something If I am getting the kills I am getting I don't mind dying 4-5 even 20 times if my gun game is that bad BUT the question is am I going to die 20 times from guns or 20 times from some non skilled playing GTA on my team . It is just unfair to the new players ... Believe me it is totaly unexpected experience to a newcommer to be smashed 14-15 times in one game by a vehicule especially if he is fresh from the academy where those thing basicly don't happen now that often
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 161	Posted - 2013.08.03 15:08:00 - [8] - Quote Hasa Hakira wrote: This shouldn't be fixed in 1.5 at the end of september or october or whenever you going to introduce the patch ... It should be fixed like TONIGHT ... The game and the players are hurting badly from it It will be fixed in 1.4 So in a month.
LudiKure ninda Trans Worlds Operations League of Infamy 5	Posted - 2013.08.03 15:09:00 - [9] - Quote hahahahah I am a PRO Grand Turismo driver
Hasa Hakira Dust2Dust. Top Men. 17	Posted - 2013.08.03 15:10:00 - [10] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Hasa Hakira wrote: This shouldn't be fixed in 1.5 at the end of september or october or whenever you going to introduce the patch ... It should be fixed like TONIGHT ... The game and the players are hurting badly from it It will be fixed in 1.4 So in a month. I really admire the patience TEST ALLIANCE shows both here and in EVE . Respect and I hope that happens but ... idk

Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 440	Posted - 2013.08.03 15:37:00 - [11] - Quote Hasa Hakira wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: your tears are so fresh and tasty You can drink my tears when I shed one to begin with But I digress... I am not mad or something If I am getting the kills I am getting I don't mind dying 4-5 even 20 times if my gun game is that bad BUT the question is am I going to die 20 times from guns or 20 times from some non skilled playing GTA on my team . It is just unfair to the new players ... Believe me it is totaly unexpected experience to a newcommer to be smashed 14-15 times in one game by a vehicule especially if he is fresh from the academy where those thing basicly don't happen now that often your original post was full of tears.... that is what tears are, my sobbing friend
BLKDG ROYAL SQUAD Shadow of the Apocalypse 30	Posted - 2013.08.03 15:52:00 - [12] - Quote Forge gun eats lavs Makes team happy Just wait for the driver to get in after it gets dropped Then collect tears Repeat
DarthJT5 12th Shadow Legion 0	Posted - 2013.08.03 15:55:00 - [13] - Quote Sorry, gotta make money somehow, and its hard to do that in my 2 mill isk Falchion. shrugs
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 205	Posted - 2013.08.03 16:09:00 - [14] - Quote I never quite understand the "just use AV" argument against the LAV problem. Yes, AV is cool for blowing up vehicles sometimes. That doesn't change the fact that Militia LAVs can pop up out of no where and hit you for 10,000 damage. I used to run nothing but AV nades and I still got ran over pretty often. Most of Dust's maps consist of big wide open fields. And even large parts of the 'cities' can be susceptible to roadkill. I've seen the things driving through crates, up on catwalks, in all kinds of nooks and crannies. There is a problem. It's a combination of poor map 'design' and wild amounts of damage and high health bars for zero skill points and a small amount of isk.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2638	Posted - 2013.08.03 16:19:00 - [15] - Quote Murder taxis are the only vehicles that can do their job (kill/suppress infantry) and still profit.
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 207	Posted - 2013.08.03 16:20:00 - [16] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Murder taxis are the only vehicles that can do their job (kill/suppress infantry) and still profit. Here I thought they were transport vehicles and that HAVs were meant to kill/suppress infantry.
Leovarian L Lavitz Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 400	Posted - 2013.08.03 17:55:00 - [17] - Quote Nemo Bluntz wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Murder taxis are the only vehicles that can do their job (kill/suppress infantry) and still profit. Here I thought they were transport vehicles and that HAVs were meant to kill/suppress infantry. Common mistake, their name is Light Attack Vehicle, and in their description they are supposed to be amazing anti-infantry vehicles.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 995	Posted - 2013.08.03 17:57:00 - [18] - Quote Lol Ambush. This was a necessary comment.
Chris F2112 187. 288	Posted - 2013.08.03 18:01:00 - [19] - Quote Dropship gunners are actually quite good for shooting players out of their fancy lavs.
Leovarian L Lavitz Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 400	Posted - 2013.08.03 18:03:00 - [20] - Quote Chris F2112 wrote: Dropship gunners are actually quite good for shooting players out of their fancy lavs. As are LAV gunners. call in your own lavs, and have your gunner shoot out the enemy murder taxi guys. It will put a stop to their shenanigans quick fast and in a hurry.

8213 Grade No.2 73	Posted - 2013.08.03 18:08:00 - [21] - Quote I used to run anti AV suits all the time. The GAME was dictating how I play. I had to miss out on kills and helping teammates better because I was restricted to do more damage to LAVs. And as the player base gained SP into their LAVs, it became harder and harder to take out, I just gave up. The LAV's purpose was to transport and provide support, not rule the matches. Its easier and cheaper to just use LAVs, that's why scrubs are using them. The LAVs can virtually access anywhere on the map. Being forced into a certain niche of playing is wrong. Its called DUST 514, not DEMOLITION DERBY 514
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6904	Posted - 2013.08.03 18:11:00 - [22] - Quote Swarm Launcher, Breach SMG Proximity explosives placed at slow down points. Easily puts demolition into Demolition Derby 514. Flux Grenade and Plasma Cannon/Shotgun also does wonders for those 'idiot' drivers that constantly get stuck in places trying to run over players in tight spots. Finally if you have fight fire with fire, favorite HAV, Large Scattered Blaster any variant, Aim for the driver compartment area, you'll kill LLAVs even this way, just be sure to stick with your support and back up and be weary of hostile AV. More humorously any HAV with speed mods can run over LAVs no problem in spirit of a real demolition derby match. Face it, your assault rifle is not going to kill most vehicles.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 208	Posted - 2013.08.03 18:16:00 - [23] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: Hasa Hakira wrote: Seymor Krelborn wrote: your tears are so fresh and tasty You can drink my tears when I shed one to begin with But I digress... I am not mad or something If I am getting the kills I am getting I don't mind dying 4-5 even 20 times if my gun game is that bad BUT the question is am I going to die 20 times from guns or 20 times from some non skilled playing GTA on my team . It is just unfair to the new players ... Believe me it is totaly unexpected experience to a newcommer to be smashed 14-15 times in one game by a vehicule especially if he is fresh from the academy where those thing basicly don't happen now that often your original post was full of tears.... that is what tears are, my sobbing friend The only person getting emotional seems to be you Seymore. That kind of malcontent hate isn't healthy.
Jammer Jalapeno BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 50	Posted - 2013.08.03 18:19:00 - [24] - Quote Quit yer bitching and get some AV grenades.....its fun watching people blow up
Cass Caul Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2013.08.03 18:23:00 - [25] - Quote Well, thanks guys. Finally learned my lesson. Stacking damage mods with high proficiency on a proto swarm launcher. Got it, now I can finally kill those pesky MLT LAVs. Shouldn't MLT AV gear be capable of taking out MLT Vehicles? How silly of me, of course not. And it is always nice to watch an LAV dodge Wiyrkomi Swarm Launchers because they turn fast and there is always plenty of cover.
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 218	Posted - 2013.08.03 19:19:00 - [26] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Nemo Bluntz wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Murder taxis are the only vehicles that can do their job (kill/suppress infantry) and still profit. Here I thought they were transport vehicles and that HAVs were meant to kill/suppress infantry. Common mistake, their name is Light Attack Vehicle, and in their description they are supposed to be amazing anti-infantry vehicles. I thought that was a reference to the gun on top, not the front bumper.
Wakko03 Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 305	Posted - 2013.08.03 20:03:00 - [27] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Swarm Launcher, Breach SMG Proximity explosives placed at slow down points. Easily puts demolition into Demolition Derby 514. Flux Grenade and Plasma Cannon/Shotgun also does wonders for those 'idiot' drivers that constantly get stuck in places trying to run over players in tight spots. Finally if you have fight fire with fire, favorite HAV, Large Scattered Blaster any variant, Aim for the driver compartment area, you'll kill LLAVs even this way, just be sure to stick with your support and back up and be weary of hostile AV. More humorously any HAV with speed mods can run over LAVs no problem in spirit of a real demolition derby match. Face it, your assault rifle is not going to kill most vehicles. Do you even play DUST? Proximity Explosives are useless against LAV's unless they hit it dead on while creeping like they are going by a playground trying to kidnap a child (how many posts is ccp going to see asking why they explosions don't effect them). How many people can hit an LAV that is not flipped over with a FLUX and then still have the time to shoot them with your plasma cannon or shotgun before it is gone, and then even if it did flip over the driver can get out and knock it back upright and continue on their way before the toss animation on a grenade can do damage. Another thing MAG did better was the AV Mines 3 of them blocked a roadway and blew up a vehicle... dusts are more like speed bumps that do nothing. And FACE it the assualt rifle should be better at shooting the driver than a breach SMG.... which is a sidearm... and they are better off using a FLAYLOCK as it has longer range. The LAV and LLAV has been the FOTM longer than the flaylock and the caldari logi...chew on that for a while. Whatever DRUGS you vehicle users are on should be put in the water or the kool-aid like in Jonestown.
Cass Caul Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2013.08.04 06:43:00 - [28] - Quote Dude, chill out. None of the CPM are good at the game.
SGT Garrisson BetaMax. 67	Posted - 2013.08.04 10:22:00 - [29] - Quote biggest problem i have with the lav is they dont show on the radar till there on top of u yea if there in front u can see it coming and have enuff time to react if it comes from any other direction ur screwed the scan range of dropsuits im sure used to be longer like 25m now its only 10m u cant detect anything till its on u even with range extenders unless its in LOS of u or a teammate im guessing scan range was reduced to 10m to make the active scanner useful
Mortedeamor Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback 141	Posted - 2013.08.04 11:35:00 - [30] - Quote Hasa Hakira wrote: If you just had an ambush game that ended 20/5 for you or something along those lines and all your DEATHS were because of LAVs roadkilling you = You are playing LAV 514 and ... It really doesn't matter how good you perform , if the other team LAVs yours = you lose The game before that which I had was 30/4 for me (yes 4 LAV deaths) and my team still lost ... Something is really wrong with the roadkilling and if the team which perform s it wins and the team which excells in gungame LOSES in a FPS game = DEVs you are doing it wrong ... just saying .... coughs ....um...av nades

crychon Red Star Jr. EoN. 1	Posted - 2013.08.04 15:03:00 - [31] - Quote it isnt just the opposite side running over people now..... i have been run over many times by lavs that are suppose to be on the same side i am on and it does cause damage when you are slammed into a wall...... i am about to the point of giving them a nice taste of forge fire regardless of their color
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 229	Posted - 2013.08.04 16:26:00 - [32] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: coughs ....um...av nades Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I don't know why the player base didn't try this already. Man, we must look really silly. Maybe they don't work as well as LAV drivers like to pretend they do?
Darth-Carbonite GIO Dust2Dust. Top Men. 63	Posted - 2013.08.04 16:38:00 - [33] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Chris F2112 wrote: Dropship gunners are actually quite good for shooting players out of their fancy lavs. As are LAV gunners. call in your own lavs, and have your gunner shoot out the enemy murder taxi guys. It will put a stop to their shenanigans quick fast and in a hurry. I can confirm this. Slap a top of the line small blaster turret on that thing, get somebody that knows how to shoot it, and you're in business. Although that just brings us to the question of how blasters can shoot through the shields, through the armor plated driver seat, and hit the driver while doing inconsequential damage to the vehicle itself. Pro tip: Be sure to leave any vehicles you "Borrowed" in the redline. (or if you have the means, outright destroy them) Those LLAVs get pretty expensive, and we wouldn't want them falling back into the wrong hands, now would we?
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2657	Posted - 2013.08.04 17:45:00 - [34] - Quote Nemo Bluntz wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Murder taxis are the only vehicles that can do their job (kill/suppress infantry) and still profit. Here I thought they were transport vehicles and that HAVs were meant to kill/suppress infantry. Dropships are transports. LAVs are for hit-and-run fighting. Why would you think a single passenger vehicle is a transport?
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 335	Posted - 2013.08.04 17:56:00 - [35] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Swarm Launcher, Breach SMG Proximity explosives placed at slow down points. Easily puts demolition into Demolition Derby 514. Flux Grenade and Plasma Cannon/Shotgun also does wonders for those 'idiot' drivers that constantly get stuck in places trying to run over players in tight spots. Finally if you have fight fire with fire, favorite HAV, Large Scattered Blaster any variant, Aim for the driver compartment area, you'll kill LLAVs even this way, just be sure to stick with your support and back up and be weary of hostile AV. More humorously any HAV with speed mods can run over LAVs no problem in spirit of a real demolition derby match. Face it, your assault rifle is not going to kill most vehicles. lolno at the HAV part. Stabilized blasters are way better at owning LAV's, and dropships. Also, running over LAV's in a HAV will get that said HAV killed fast. Seen it happen, and laughed at the fool who did that. the rest are good ideas. Peace, Aizen
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 335	Posted - 2013.08.04 17:58:00 - [36] - Quote Nemo Bluntz wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: coughs ....um...av nades Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I don't know why the player base didn't try this already. Man, we must look really silly. Maybe they don't work as well as LAV drivers like to pretend they do? They seem to work for me. But maybe that's because there's way too many idiot wannabe pilots and I can predict what they're going to do. But I guess that because... well I'm a pilot.
Charlotte O'Dell 0uter.Heaven EoN. 831	Posted - 2013.08.04 18:24:00 - [37] - Quote Was I on the other team? I called in one saga every fifteen seconds until we won. Keep in mind my whole team was blueberries vs proto.
CoD isAIDS Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 112	Posted - 2013.08.04 18:56:00 - [38] - Quote Hasa Hakira wrote: If you just had an ambush game that ended 20/5 for you or something along those lines and all your DEATHS were because of LAVs roadkilling you = You are playing LAV 514 and ... It really doesn't matter how good you perform , if the other team LAVs yours = you lose The game before that which I had was 30/4 for me (yes 4 LAV deaths) and my team still lost ... Something is really wrong with the roadkilling and if the team which perform s it wins and the team which excells in gungame LOSES in a FPS game = DEVs you are doing it wrong ... just saying .... So because of one particular match, it's now LAV 514? I hear Activision will be happy to take your money.
CoD isAIDS Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 112	Posted - 2013.08.04 18:57:00 - [39] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: First, run in a squad. Second, get a good AV guy/girl in your squad and make good friends with them. I run Assault and an pretty much 100% anti-infantry, but when it comes to vehicles I typically just play the high ground or avoid them all together. When I DO get plagued by them, I get my buddy running Proto Swarms with Proficiency 5 and 5 damage mods in my squad to help keep the field clear. He's one that you don't run over, or you're gonna have a very bad time in that LAV. I love making enemies.
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 23	Posted - 2013.08.04 19:00:00 - [40] - Quote Hasa Hakira wrote: If you just had an ambush game that ended 20/5 for you or something along those lines and all your DEATHS were because of LAVs roadkilling you = You are playing LAV 514 and ... It really doesn't matter how good you perform , if the other team LAVs yours = you lose The game before that which I had was 30/4 for me (yes 4 LAV deaths) and my team still lost ... Something is really wrong with the roadkilling and if the team which perform s it wins and the team which excells in gungame LOSES in a FPS game = DEVs you are doing it wrong ... just saying .... I might offend some people by saying this but: LAV KILLS = NO SKILL

Akurabis A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 20	Posted - 2013.08.04 19:10:00 - [41] - Quote If you're going 20/5 and all your DEATHS are from LAVs, congratulations, you have a weakness. You must be specced to be an infantry killing rockstar, and so don't have any av nades with which to shoo off curious LAVs. You must be too heavily plated to DODGE, or have too little stamina to JUMP ERRATICALLY at the RIGHT MOMENT. Of course, you could also be unobservant and not LISTENING for their tell-tale sound or WATCHING the RADAR. You should definitely stop whining about people taking you down. What the hell do you think you're entitled to?
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 637	Posted - 2013.08.04 19:42:00 - [42] - Quote SGT Garrisson wrote: biggest problem i have with the lav is they dont show on the radar till there on top of u yea if there in front u can see it coming and have enuff time to react if it comes from any other direction ur screwed the scan range of dropsuits im sure used to be longer like 25m now its only 10m u cant detect anything till its on u even with range extenders unless its in LOS of u or a teammate im guessing scan range was reduced to 10m to make the active scanner useful +1. This is the core of it for me. I know CCP has a fix planned(why, o why does that make me so nervous?) for 1.4. But it seems to me the first order of business is to make sure that 2000 kg vehicles show up on the tacnet at greater range and sooner than dropsuits do. Surely if a suit's sensor suite can detect a a scout suit it can detect a LAV. It makes me wonder if there's a lag in updating the tacnet, so that for fast moving vehicles, we don't see them until it's too late. Dunno, but it sucks. I've always been the guy who breaks out the AV first when the other side thinks they're going to get away with running vehicles unpunished. I've killed hundreds of tanks, prolly the same in dropships, and i don't know how many LAVs since the days of early beta. But the current LAV situations sucks. Not so much for me personally, but for DUST as a game. Here's to hoping that CCP gets it right the first time with 1.4 Bit the first logical step is tacnet visibility for vehicles.
Mary Sedillo Pure Innocence. EoN. 192	Posted - 2013.08.04 19:43:00 - [43] - Quote Hasa Hakira wrote: If you just had an ambush game that ended 20/5 for you or something along those lines and all your DEATHS were because of LAVs roadkilling you = You are playing LAV 514 and ... It really doesn't matter how good you perform , if the other team LAVs yours = you lose The game before that which I had was 30/4 for me (yes 4 LAV deaths) and my team still lost ... Something is really wrong with the roadkilling and if the team which perform s it wins and the team which excells in gungame LOSES in a FPS game = DEVs you are doing it wrong ... just saying .... Its a mix of FPS and vehicle combat. NOT JUST FPS. If he excels at it, great. If he sucks, he will lose ISK. If I am on the field with a tank, he will lose continuously. Also, you are a dumbass for getting run over so much. Get to high ground! ******* idiot.
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 253	Posted - 2013.08.04 19:50:00 - [44] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: SGT Garrisson wrote: biggest problem i have with the lav is they dont show on the radar till there on top of u yea if there in front u can see it coming and have enuff time to react if it comes from any other direction ur screwed the scan range of dropsuits im sure used to be longer like 25m now its only 10m u cant detect anything till its on u even with range extenders unless its in LOS of u or a teammate im guessing scan range was reduced to 10m to make the active scanner useful +1. This is the core of it for me. I know CCP has a fix planned(why, o why does that make me so nervous?) for 1.4. But it seems to me the first order of business is to make sure that 2000 kg vehicles show up on the tacnet at greater range and sooner than dropsuits do. Surely if a suit's sensor suite can detect a a scout suit it can detect a LAV. It makes me wonder if there's a lag in updating the tacnet, so that for fast moving vehicles, we don't see them intil it's too late. Dunno, but it sucks. I've always been the guy who breaks out the AV first when the other side thinks they're going to get away with running vehicles unpunished. I've killed hundreds of tanks, prolly the same in dropships, and i don't know how many tanks since the days of early beta. But the current LAV situations sucks. Not so much for me personally, but for DUST as a game. Here's to hoping that CCP gets it right the first time with 1.4 Bit the first logical step is tacnet visibility for vehicles. Not defending murder taxis, but there's a little thing called "situational awareness". Take your eyes off your minimap once in a while and look around. LAVs are pretty big and are generally most effective in open spaces. They're kind of hard to miss, particularly if you've already been run over once, you should be watching for them when you're out in the open. If an LAV manages to "sneak up" on you, it's probably because you weren't paying attention to your surroundings.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6936	Posted - 2013.08.04 19:56:00 - [45] - Quote Wakko03 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Swarm Launcher, Breach SMG Proximity explosives placed at slow down points. Easily puts demolition into Demolition Derby 514. Flux Grenade and Plasma Cannon/Shotgun also does wonders for those 'idiot' drivers that constantly get stuck in places trying to run over players in tight spots. Finally if you have fight fire with fire, favorite HAV, Large Scattered Blaster any variant, Aim for the driver compartment area, you'll kill LLAVs even this way, just be sure to stick with your support and back up and be weary of hostile AV. More humorously any HAV with speed mods can run over LAVs no problem in spirit of a real demolition derby match. Face it, your assault rifle is not going to kill most vehicles. Do you even play DUST? Proximity Explosives are useless against LAV's unless they hit it dead on while creeping like they are going by a playground trying to kidnap a child (how many posts is ccp going to see asking why they explosions don't effect them). How many people can hit an LAV that is not flipped over with a FLUX and then still have the time to shoot them with your plasma cannon or shotgun before it is gone, and then even if it did flip over the driver can get out and knock it back upright and continue on their way before the toss animation on a grenade can do damage. Another thing MAG did better was the AV Mines 3 of them blocked a roadway and blew up a vehicle... dusts are more like speed bumps that do nothing. And FACE it the assualt rifle should be better at shooting the driver than a breach SMG.... which is a sidearm... and they are better off using a FLAYLOCK as it has longer range. The LAV and LLAV has been the FOTM longer than the flaylock and the caldari logi...chew on that for a while. Whatever DRUGS you vehicle users are on should be put in the water or the kool-aid like in Jonestown. Do you play smarter? I do play btw. I just mentioned where to throw them down. Throwing them in some place where the LAV is going to be full speed is not the best planning. 1 Proxy basic is enough to blap most regular LAVs and significantly deshield the tougher ones. Work with other mine layers and stack them up for more damage. The idea is to soften the target up before it enters kill zone/window. Only flux if you see an lav heading towards the wall for a pinch kill, you'll catch one in the blast every time. Flux one in the open road and you're an idiot. PLC/Shotgun is very situational and I only pull these out for the most idiotic of drivers who thinks that driving up infantry only ramps is a good idea, you need the high anti-iinfantry alpha however to prevent drive aways. . AV grenades work as well but most of the time its an LLAV and you're not going to be carrying enough grenades to kill it so aim for the pilots head and pull trigger, congrats free LLAV for you to get blown up.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6937	Posted - 2013.08.04 20:00:00 - [46] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Swarm Launcher, Breach SMG Proximity explosives placed at slow down points. Easily puts demolition into Demolition Derby 514. Flux Grenade and Plasma Cannon/Shotgun also does wonders for those 'idiot' drivers that constantly get stuck in places trying to run over players in tight spots. Finally if you have fight fire with fire, favorite HAV, Large Scattered Blaster any variant, Aim for the driver compartment area, you'll kill LLAVs even this way, just be sure to stick with your support and back up and be weary of hostile AV. More humorously any HAV with speed mods can run over LAVs no problem in spirit of a real demolition derby match. Face it, your assault rifle is not going to kill most vehicles. lolno at the HAV part. Stabilized blasters are way better at owning LAV's, and dropships. Also, running over LAV's in a HAV will get that said HAV killed fast. Seen it happen, and laughed at the fool who did that. the rest are good ideas. Peace, Aizen Not trying to own the LLAV itself, I am trying to pwn the driver. Most drivers don't have much of a suit equipped and the militia scatter blaster tears them to shreds while their LLAVs almost remains untouched. A well fitted LLAV without a driver still takes me two heat cycles to kill but the pilot only withstands about a quarter cycle. I don't have access to the more powerful cannons nor do I have room for a heat sink yet so I have no idea what would be best outright killer yet.
Mary Sedillo Pure Innocence. EoN. 193	Posted - 2013.08.04 20:24:00 - [47] - Quote HAV's getting owned by LLAVs ramming them? Yeah maybe MILITIA HAVs. Any good tanker worth his slot in a squad knows how to build their tank right. NO LAV hurts me enough on impact to even threaten my tank. I love it when they run into me. Saves me having to chase them. Wake up Aizen, or stop posting. Please.
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 234	Posted - 2013.08.04 20:31:00 - [48] - Quote Jaqen Morghalis wrote: If an LAV manages to "sneak up" on you, it's probably because you weren't paying attention to your surroundings. Or because they came up from behind you and by the time you hear them its often too late. Or you catch them sneaking, throw AV nades and its not enough to kill them and they still run you over. Or you catch them, throw av, and the nade bugs out, blows up, does no damage and then they run you over. Or you were paying attention. Got yourself into a nice small area that LAVs really shouldn't be driving to, then they drive into them and run you over. Or you see them coming, but you're on a part of them map that's an open field (80% of all maps in Dust), so you try to move and get out of the way in time, but its too late and they run you over. Said it before, and I'll say it again. The bumper of a jeep being more effective than the mounted weapon on a jeep is a clear sign of **** poor game design. Keep on blaming the victims though.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6955	Posted - 2013.08.05 13:03:00 - [49] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: HAV's getting owned by LLAVs ramming them? Yeah maybe MILITIA HAVs. Any good tanker worth his slot in a squad knows how to build their tank right. NO LAV hurts me enough on impact to even threaten my tank. I love it when they run into me. Saves me having to chase them. Wake up Aizen, or stop posting. Please. Militia HAV will win running a LLAV over.
Arc-08 Horizons' Edge Orion Empire 26	Posted - 2013.08.05 13:11:00 - [50] - Quote Peace, Aizen [/quote] Not trying to own the LLAV itself, I am trying to pwn the driver. Most drivers don't have much of a suit equipped and the militia scatter blaster tears them to shreds while their LLAVs almost remains untouched. A well fitted LLAV without a driver still takes me two heat cycles to kill but the pilot only withstands about a quarter cycle. I don't have access to the more powerful cannons nor do I have room for a heat sink yet so I have no idea what would be best outright killer yet.[/quote] despite what i tell him, my friend always runs his proto in his logi lav, for the very reason that it's harder to get shot out :) (yes i totally see what you mean by that, unfortunatly it doesn't take too much skill to weave and mess up the enemy gunners shots so they all miss. what i'm saying is, it's not a valid tactic that works all the time, and now you see it even less since MLT lav's cost money. i pretty much only see limited ED lav's and LLAV's nowadays.

D3LTA ARM3GGIDDO D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass 16	Posted - 2013.08.05 13:42:00 - [51] - Quote Hasa Hakira wrote: If you just had an ambush game that ended 20/5 for you or something along those lines and all your DEATHS were because of LAVs roadkilling you = You are playing LAV 514 and ... It really doesn't matter how good you perform , if the other team LAVs yours = you lose The game before that which I had was 30/4 for me (yes 4 LAV deaths) and my team still lost ... Something is really wrong with the roadkilling and if the team which perform s it wins and the team which excells in gungame LOSES in a FPS game = DEVs you are doing it wrong ... just saying .... Thank you! I really enjoyed that rant with my popcorn and sour skittles. When is the sequel?


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