The Mass Driver .... It has a very slow rate of fire.

Nerf Mass Driver to the ground


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I think it came from CoD:W@W.

I don't recall a grenade launcher in MW1.

Edit:my bad, it did have them.

Dont need to be accurate, can spam shots and get a kill, that makes the MD a noob tube and it made the flaylock a noob tube
Being able to one shot someone is not what makes something a noob tube

Dont need to be accurate, can spam shots and get a kill, that makes the MD a noob tube and it made the flaylock a noob tube
Being able to one shot someone is not what makes something a noob tube

Assault Forge Gun is very easily spammable, has a long range, is hitscan, and anyone whom has decent aim can kill anything with it with ease. Be quiet.

Yeah, it was WaW. The noob tube was intended to be a way to balance the game out for new players since they were commonly thrown into lobbies with experienced players. (Sound familiar?) The problem was they made it stupidly OP. But it still worked because it still wasn't the only effective thing on the field, but overconfident pros would still get popped by it. It's been long since rebalanced in Black Ops, and viable for grenadier type loud outs for BLOPS2. Some people are even referring it to the pro pipe.
We're going to have to face that facts that there's always going to be a black cloud hanging over the MD. Players that think aiming with hit scan weapons in a video game are going to keep rehashing double standards like aiming in a FPS is such a great thing. It's a terror weapon and it's working as intended- driving the masses. Too bad those masses are driven to complain on the forums instead of realizing that hiding in that corner is going to save them from splash damage.

My name is Michael Cosgar, and I'm a Masshole.

I can one shot you with a head shot outside of 35m.

I used all the explosive weapons in CoD MW2 and yes, they were OHK OP toys.

Using that with the Scavenger Perk I could make that one underground bunker uninhabitable for most of the match.

I believe they pulled explosives from that perk in the next iteration because of that.

You are correct that a weapon must be both area effect and OHK to truly be worthy of the label "noob tube".

"Can spam shots and get a kill"

That holds true for every weapon as long as nobody is shooting back.

OTH you will lose in a 1v1 if you are spamming your shots as your enemy will have plenty of time to take you out.

Indeed, hell Ive hit people in the head from 400m away when they were just a little patch of gray slightly different from the terrain
Everytime I counter snipe some dude hiding behind the redline and take away one of his thales an angel gets its wings

See the "dont need to be accurate" before that
It means that those two things hand in hand are what make something a noob tube

Can you kill someone with an AR or SMG spraying wildly in the general direction sure but its going to take a lot longer than not even attempting to aim at them and just shooting the ground with grenades

It's no point to discuss weapons in a game where it's obvious that shield- VS armor-tanking is unbalanced and one of the specific weapons is designed against armor.

There are people that clean up with a MassDriver, but let us be fair...there is a rise of spamming MassDriver user that are taking advantage of unbalanced game-mechanics.

Forgeguns are primaly designed to take out vehicles not so much for taking out infrantry from a huge distance/rooftop. There is a difference in hitting a big-ass HAV and a tiny stickman in the distant with a heavy weapon. AV-weapons will probably get an overhaul toghether with the vehicles in 1.5 so let's see how the forge gun functions after that update.

Oh, you do need to be accurate.

You may be thinking about CQC where being accurate is easy, but that's simply because you walked into its main strength.
Do the same with a shotgun scout and you will die as well.

Keep your range with your AR and I have to place my shots precisely if I hope to catch you in the splash radius.

The mistake AR users make is treating every opponent the same. You simply can't dance the same dance you do with another AR user. The MD user will step all over your feet if you try. Pick a different dance and you can win.

The closest thing to noob tubes in this game is the contact grenades.

Okay, I'm seeing a good amount of agreement which is good, but I guess maybe I'm not getting to the people who actually refer to weapons in this game as noob tubes.

But if we agree there are no noob tubes in Dust, can we agree to stop using it to refer to one another's weapons? Because it's frankly quite insulting to say that no matter how good they are and how much practice someone has put into one of these weapons, it can be completely discredited because 'it's a noob tube'.

Okay, I'm seeing a good amount of agreement which is good, but I guess maybe I'm not getting to the people who actually refer to weapons in this game as noob tubes.

But if we agree there are no noob tubes in Dust, can we agree to stop using it to refer to one another's weapons? Because it's frankly quite insulting to say that no matter how good they are and how much practice someone has put into one of these weapons, it can be completely discredited because 'it's a noob tube'.

Are you hopping around like a bunny rabbit on crack firing at your own feet to win every fight? NOOB TUBE.

Are you nailing someone dead in the chest with a breach from 50+ meters out? Not noob tube.

I use an HMG when out of my tank. It is the epitome of the spray and pray weapon style. guess what? I like those kinds of guns. because I'm not the best shot, but I can suppress your ass and keep you in cover while my friend comes over to shiv you with his novas. if you do decide to peek out of cover, then congratulations, here's your Darwin award. It's made of 2000 RPM hot lead death.

I've been seeing this term thrown around a lot here on the forums, so I wanted to open a discussion about where the term came from and what it means to you.

So I may be wrong and not have my video game history perfectly correct, but the first place I remember hearing the term 'noob tube' was in the first Call of Duty Modern Warfare games. It referred to the grenade-launcher attachment that could be added to any of the assault rifles in the game, and when it shot and hit, it was almost always a 1-hit kill. It could be used without sacrificing the effectiveness of your assault rifle whatsoever, and switching to it and getting a quick kill took no prep time to speak of and was pretty much a straight shot. This was obviously absurdly over powered.

Now let's compare this to how people are currently using it in Dust. People have been using it most in reference to the Forge Gun and the Mass Driver. Keep the original example in mind.

The Forge Gun requires you to play in the slowest class of suits available. It is your primary weapon and not an attachment like in Call of Duty. It has a charge up time before it can fire. It requires extremely precise accuracy. It has a very limited clip/extra ammo capacity. It has a long reload time. It is however almost always a one-hit kill.

Verdict: NOT a noob tube.

The Mass Driver is never a one hit kill (unless you're a scout with 200 HP and get direct hit). It is your primary weapon and not an attachment like in Call of Duty. It has a very slow rate of fire. It has a very limited clip/extra ammo capacity. It has a long reload time. It is largely ineffective against elevated targets. It is very difficult to hit targets outside of 30 meters away without a height advantage. It had a slow projectile travel speed. It does however have a large blast radius.

Verdict: Not a noob tube.

TL;DR: My point is this: can we please stop insulting each other based on our weapon choices and just admit that every weapon requires a different skill set that must be practiced. If someone is really good with a weapon you're not used to, they probably had to practice for a long time to achieve that level of skill.

But everyone uses shields, so MDs are the ones suffering from "unbalanced game-mechanics"

Sorry, no offense, but you seem like someone who hasn't really used the MD much if at all. Yes, CQC is pretty mindless, other than avoiding killing yourself (hence the bunny hopping). But what weapon isn't easier in CQC?

Also, no one lands 50 meter shots directly in the chest. Maybe as a random skill shot that you're proud of, but seriously, no one is that good with the MD (I've been using it for 6 months).

Sorry, no offense, but you seem like someone who hasn't really used the MD much if at all. Yes, CQC is pretty mindless, other than avoiding killing yourself (hence the bunny hopping). But what weapon isn't easier in CQC?

Are you hopping around like a bunny rabbit on crack firing at your own feet to win every fight? NOOB TUBE.

Are you nailing someone dead in the chest with a breach from 50+ meters out? Not noob tube.

I use an HMG when out of my tank. It is the epitome of the spray and pray weapon style. guess what? I like those kinds of guns. because I'm not the best shot, but I can suppress your ass and keep you in cover while my friend comes over to shiv you with his novas. if you do decide to peek out of cover, then congratulations, here's your Darwin award. It's made of 2000 RPM hot lead death.

Assault Forge Gun is very easily spammable, has a long range, is hitscan, and anyone whom has decent aim can kill anything with it with ease. Be quiet.

Most weapons are actually harder to use in CQC. This is due to strafing, however strafing does not work vs a MD simply because of the 4.4m blast radius.

The only exception of weapons outside of the MD that I know of that is easy to use in cqc is the shotgun, and nova knives because those are the only 2 ranges they are effective at. Most other weapons are easiest to use in the 20-30m range.

You know, even when running an AR fit I've had little to no issues dealing with MD's. Maybe that's because I know their weaknesses and how to deal with them. You CAN NOT fight them the way you fight another AR player but they're not invincable.

Once again, if you haven't used them, skill into Mass Drivers level 3 and get an EXO-5. It's not that much SP. Start messing around with it and see how it actually works.

And stop making QQ threads FFS.

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You know, even when running an AR fit I've had little to no issues dealing with MD's. Maybe that's because I know their weaknesses and how to deal with them. You CAN NOT fight them the way you fight another AR player but they're not invincable.

Once again, if you haven't used them, skill into Mass Drivers level 3 and get an EXO-5. It's not that much SP. Start messing around with it and see how it actually works.

And stop making QQ threads FFS.

TL;DR: My point is this: can we please stop insulting each other based on our weapon choices and just admit that every weapon requires a different skill set that must be practiced. If someone is really good with a weapon you're not used to, they probably had to practice for a long time to achieve that level of skill.

Lollol yeah but that feeling... when your a Galatne logi and get 1 shot by a STD MD. Dude was spamming up top, cant run away when my stamina is is gone trying to keep up with people

TF2 had rockets that would randomly Critical Hit you and instagib.

CoD MW2 had rifle attachment + Sidearm grenade launcher that with Danger Close Pro would 1 shot you, and half your team.
The perk was the OP part, not so much the launchers themselves. It's other element made Harriers and Pave Lows one shot you.

The term predates both those games, but those are the first two where I thought it was appropriate.

Flaylocks pre-1.3 fit the bill as well.

MD is actually pretty difficult to use on level terrain, so it really depends on how the guy is using it. Sometimes it is a noob tube, sometimes it isn't. Really depends on the player :P

The plasma cannon will probably soon be called a noob tube too.

I hate these punks running around at mid range spamming grenades and MD rounds trying to steamroll everything. That's what's really getting on everyone's nerves. All you really need to do is take them on outside of mid range and watch how much they miss.

I believe that. Somebody already requested to nerf the nova knife......

It would be great if mass drivers didn't have to live in fear of their weapon getting nerfed because hitscan players think they're above everyone.

inb4 trolls.

QFT.

Hail AR 514.

Is this with Proto gear or no proto? Also... Are you shield tanking or armor tanking?