The closest thing to noob tubes in this game is the contact grenades.

Okay, I'm seeing a good amount of agreement which is good, but I guess maybe I'm not getting to the people who actually refer to weapons in this game as noob tubes.

But if we agree there are no noob tubes in Dust, can we agree to stop using it to refer to one another's weapons? Because it's frankly quite insulting to say that no matter how good they are and how much practice someone has put into one of these weapons, it can be completely discredited because 'it's a noob tube'.

Okay, I'm seeing a good amount of agreement which is good, but I guess maybe I'm not getting to the people who actually refer to weapons in this game as noob tubes.

But if we agree there are no noob tubes in Dust, can we agree to stop using it to refer to one another's weapons? Because it's frankly quite insulting to say that no matter how good they are and how much practice someone has put into one of these weapons, it can be completely discredited because 'it's a noob tube'.

Are you hopping around like a bunny rabbit on crack firing at your own feet to win every fight? NOOB TUBE.

Are you nailing someone dead in the chest with a breach from 50+ meters out? Not noob tube.

I use an HMG when out of my tank. It is the epitome of the spray and pray weapon style. guess what? I like those kinds of guns. because I'm not the best shot, but I can suppress your ass and keep you in cover while my friend comes over to shiv you with his novas. if you do decide to peek out of cover, then congratulations, here's your Darwin award. It's made of 2000 RPM hot lead death.

I've been seeing this term thrown around a lot here on the forums, so I wanted to open a discussion about where the term came from and what it means to you.

So I may be wrong and not have my video game history perfectly correct, but the first place I remember hearing the term 'noob tube' was in the first Call of Duty Modern Warfare games. It referred to the grenade-launcher attachment that could be added to any of the assault rifles in the game, and when it shot and hit, it was almost always a 1-hit kill. It could be used without sacrificing the effectiveness of your assault rifle whatsoever, and switching to it and getting a quick kill took no prep time to speak of and was pretty much a straight shot. This was obviously absurdly over powered.

Now let's compare this to how people are currently using it in Dust. People have been using it most in reference to the Forge Gun and the Mass Driver. Keep the original example in mind.

The Forge Gun requires you to play in the slowest class of suits available. It is your primary weapon and not an attachment like in Call of Duty. It has a charge up time before it can fire. It requires extremely precise accuracy. It has a very limited clip/extra ammo capacity. It has a long reload time. It is however almost always a one-hit kill.

Verdict: NOT a noob tube.

The Mass Driver is never a one hit kill (unless you're a scout with 200 HP and get direct hit). It is your primary weapon and not an attachment like in Call of Duty. It has a very slow rate of fire. It has a very limited clip/extra ammo capacity. It has a long reload time. It is largely ineffective against elevated targets. It is very difficult to hit targets outside of 30 meters away without a height advantage. It had a slow projectile travel speed. It does however have a large blast radius.

Verdict: Not a noob tube.

TL;DR: My point is this: can we please stop insulting each other based on our weapon choices and just admit that every weapon requires a different skill set that must be practiced. If someone is really good with a weapon you're not used to, they probably had to practice for a long time to achieve that level of skill.

But everyone uses shields, so MDs are the ones suffering from "unbalanced game-mechanics"

Sorry, no offense, but you seem like someone who hasn't really used the MD much if at all. Yes, CQC is pretty mindless, other than avoiding killing yourself (hence the bunny hopping). But what weapon isn't easier in CQC?

Also, no one lands 50 meter shots directly in the chest. Maybe as a random skill shot that you're proud of, but seriously, no one is that good with the MD (I've been using it for 6 months).

Sorry, no offense, but you seem like someone who hasn't really used the MD much if at all. Yes, CQC is pretty mindless, other than avoiding killing yourself (hence the bunny hopping). But what weapon isn't easier in CQC?

Are you hopping around like a bunny rabbit on crack firing at your own feet to win every fight? NOOB TUBE.

Are you nailing someone dead in the chest with a breach from 50+ meters out? Not noob tube.

I use an HMG when out of my tank. It is the epitome of the spray and pray weapon style. guess what? I like those kinds of guns. because I'm not the best shot, but I can suppress your ass and keep you in cover while my friend comes over to shiv you with his novas. if you do decide to peek out of cover, then congratulations, here's your Darwin award. It's made of 2000 RPM hot lead death.

Assault Forge Gun is very easily spammable, has a long range, is hitscan, and anyone whom has decent aim can kill anything with it with ease. Be quiet.

Most weapons are actually harder to use in CQC. This is due to strafing, however strafing does not work vs a MD simply because of the 4.4m blast radius.

The only exception of weapons outside of the MD that I know of that is easy to use in cqc is the shotgun, and nova knives because those are the only 2 ranges they are effective at. Most other weapons are easiest to use in the 20-30m range.

You know, even when running an AR fit I've had little to no issues dealing with MD's. Maybe that's because I know their weaknesses and how to deal with them. You CAN NOT fight them the way you fight another AR player but they're not invincable.

Once again, if you haven't used them, skill into Mass Drivers level 3 and get an EXO-5. It's not that much SP. Start messing around with it and see how it actually works.

And stop making QQ threads FFS.

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You know, even when running an AR fit I've had little to no issues dealing with MD's. Maybe that's because I know their weaknesses and how to deal with them. You CAN NOT fight them the way you fight another AR player but they're not invincable.

Once again, if you haven't used them, skill into Mass Drivers level 3 and get an EXO-5. It's not that much SP. Start messing around with it and see how it actually works.

And stop making QQ threads FFS.

TL;DR: My point is this: can we please stop insulting each other based on our weapon choices and just admit that every weapon requires a different skill set that must be practiced. If someone is really good with a weapon you're not used to, they probably had to practice for a long time to achieve that level of skill.

Lollol yeah but that feeling... when your a Galatne logi and get 1 shot by a STD MD. Dude was spamming up top, cant run away when my stamina is is gone trying to keep up with people

TF2 had rockets that would randomly Critical Hit you and instagib.

CoD MW2 had rifle attachment + Sidearm grenade launcher that with Danger Close Pro would 1 shot you, and half your team.
The perk was the OP part, not so much the launchers themselves. It's other element made Harriers and Pave Lows one shot you.

The term predates both those games, but those are the first two where I thought it was appropriate.

Flaylocks pre-1.3 fit the bill as well.

MD is actually pretty difficult to use on level terrain, so it really depends on how the guy is using it. Sometimes it is a noob tube, sometimes it isn't. Really depends on the player :P

The plasma cannon will probably soon be called a noob tube too.