Takes three dual damage modded compressed particle cannon shots with max turret skills to kill a Charybdis.

That things got more tank than... tanks! I two-shotted a Gunnlogi today, but it was probably crap fit.

And dropships need a lot of love; I bring down most dropships in one shot, while the small amount of well tanked ones take me two shots.

Now imagine proto tanks and dropships on the same level as a Charybdis

Hint: take any blaster turret, large or small, and just start shooting at the LLAV. You are guaranteed to kill the driver, after which the LLAV is an easy kill.

For a while I've been agreeing with people the LLAV is overpowered, but I'm taking that back, it's not OP, it's strong because scrubs let it be strong.

the dark cloud, love him or hate him, has proven to me that most people are just scrubs and can't AV for ****.

3 Wirykomi Swarm Volleys to my Charybdis (This is the thing that can take 5-6 Lai Dais) and I instapopped, so yeah, o7 cloud, proper boss swarms, rest of you, lern2av.

For a while I've been agreeing with people the LLAV is overpowered, but I'm taking that back, it's not OP, it's strong because scrubs let it be strong.

the dark cloud, love him or hate him, has proven to me that most people are just scrubs and can't AV for ****.

3 Wirykomi Swarm Volleys to my Charybdis (This is the thing that can take 5-6 Lai Dais) and I instapopped, so yeah, o7 cloud, proper boss swarms, rest of you, lern2av.

You're an idiot. Let me guess......UK.

You're an idiot. Let me guess......UK.

For a while I've been agreeing with people the LLAV is overpowered, but I'm taking that back, it's not OP, it's strong because scrubs let it be strong.

the dark cloud, love him or hate him, has proven to me that most people are just scrubs and can't AV for ****.

3 Wirykomi Swarm Volleys to my Charybdis (This is the thing that can take 5-6 Lai Dais) and I instapopped, so yeah, o7 cloud, proper boss swarms, rest of you, lern2av.

I don't actually want to see proto vehicles, if they come in we'll end up like the infantry, where you have to put in ridiculous amount of sp and ISK to stay competitive, and protobears can just crap on more skilled, better players, who have less sp. I don't want to see that, what we have right now, where fit, and player skill are the deciding factor, not meta level, is much better.

What was the amount of damage received?

What was the amount of damage received?

Because then you can't solo it with militia gear?

Let me guess yankie?

I have never understood all the hate for LLAVs. They aren't that hard to kill anyways.

Man how did you get hit by 3 swarm launches? Usually it's drive through an open space taking all infantry with you, then if you take damage you just drive off. Swarms shouldn't be able to hit you at all because you're so fast and can easily retreat and hide.

LLAVS have an advantage over DShips in that there is a ton of cover on the ground, just drive around any building.

Let me guess..... Canadian?

Let me guess..... Canadian?

Did swarms get a speed buff of something?
Mine have been getting outrun by everything recently.
HAVs, faster than missles?
C'mon.

Let me guess, a Kiwi?

(Am I doing this right?!?)

I've got a feeling you're not being very truthful about those HAVs Mr Swarm Launcher guy. It's possible an Armor tank with turbines on it might outrun, but then again, those make it accelerate faster iirc and we've lost the ability to make our tanks lighter than default using the Chassis mods.

There is a possibility your target is quite a distance away, making it seem like its hitting your target but they're just out of range. The only thing that can possibly outrun swarms at this moment in time is a Dropship with an afterburner, and even then it's a struggle unless you're a Python Pilot.

Let ME guess... EARTHLING??

You're so philosophical. please adorn me with more pearls of wisdom.

Technically the only thing that is classed as advanced or prototype on vehicles is the turrets, the modules and bases are not.

Re-read the post.

Make the Charybdis/Limbus the prototype vehicle.

I have never understood all the hate for LLAVs. They aren't that hard to kill anyways.

I am more the other direction get rid of the distinction on base items (suits/vehicles) and only have it on modules.