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But What
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Posted - 2013.07.30 13:12:00 -
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Curious to why yous needed to get rid of the reload speed?? its the reason why i went with caldari assault :( |
But What
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Posted - 2013.07.30 13:34:00 -
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doing the math and all, at level 5 suit (proto) with max shield extension, it would give me a bonus from 66 HP, to 72.6 HP..... way to nerf a assault class. Seriously considering on quitting this game now... |
Bad Heal
ROGUE SPADES EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.30 13:41:00 -
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I thought increased the shield extender to 79.2? |
Nocturnal Soul
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Posted - 2013.07.30 13:45:00 -
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make sure to send me your isk when ya quit |
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Posted - 2013.07.30 13:46:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:make sure to send me your isk when ya quit
Ill just donate it all to my corp ;) sorry bra :) |
Knight Soiaire
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Posted - 2013.07.30 13:47:00 -
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But What wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:make sure to send me your isk when ya quit Ill just donate it all to my corp ;) sorry bra :)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
Smooth Assassin
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Posted - 2013.07.30 13:48:00 -
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But What wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:make sure to send me your isk when ya quit Ill just donate it all to my corp ;) sorry bra :) Gimmi your aurum if you quit |
NAV HIV
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Posted - 2013.07.30 13:50:00 -
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But What wrote:Curious to why yous needed to get rid of the reload speed?? its the reason why i went with caldari assault :(
If i recall properly, the reload bonus didn't actually work. Didn't notice that much of a difference. 10% to shield extension however, sounds yumm |
zzZaXxx
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Posted - 2013.07.30 13:52:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:But What wrote:Curious to why yous needed to get rid of the reload speed?? its the reason why i went with caldari assault :( If i recall properly, the reload bonus didn't actually work. Didn't notice that much of a difference. 10% to shield extension however, sounds yumm I've heard conflicting reports on it working. If they changed it because they couldn't get it to work...weaksauce. |
But What
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Posted - 2013.07.30 13:54:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:But What wrote:Curious to why yous needed to get rid of the reload speed?? its the reason why i went with caldari assault :( If i recall properly, the reload bonus didn't actually work. Didn't notice that much of a difference. 10% to shield extension however, sounds yumm
not really 10% of 66 is 6.6 (thats at max) ... terrible ... VERY disapointed .... |
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.07.30 13:55:00 -
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1/10th of a second reload hardly useful imo, i'll go with the 5 more bullets to death bonus. |
Spectral Clone
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Posted - 2013.07.30 13:56:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:1/10th of a second reload hardly useful imo.
0.35 seconds for Plasma Cannon. Increasing the DPS significantly.
This is actually a bad change IMO. The shield is not worth it. |
NAV HIV
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Posted - 2013.07.30 13:57:00 -
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But What wrote:NAV HIV wrote:But What wrote:Curious to why yous needed to get rid of the reload speed?? its the reason why i went with caldari assault :( If i recall properly, the reload bonus didn't actually work. Didn't notice that much of a difference. 10% to shield extension however, sounds yumm not really 10% of 66 is 6.6 (thats at max) ... terrible ... VERY disapointed ....
10% extra, that'd make my shield 520+
I'll be OP |
Brolaire of Asstoria
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.30 13:59:00 -
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But What wrote:doing the math and all, at level 5 suit (proto) with max shield extension, it would give me a bonus from 66 HP, to 72.6 HP..... way to nerf a assault class. Seriously considering on quitting this game now...
I hope this post is some kind of joke/troll how is more shields, however small the increase is, a nerf praytell? |
Nocturnal Soul
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:00:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:But What wrote:NAV HIV wrote:But What wrote:Curious to why yous needed to get rid of the reload speed?? its the reason why i went with caldari assault :( If i recall properly, the reload bonus didn't actually work. Didn't notice that much of a difference. 10% to shield extension however, sounds yumm not really 10% of 66 is 6.6 (thats at max) ... terrible ... VERY disapointed .... 10% extra, that'd make my shield 520+ I'll be OP Really now let me introduce you to my friends their names are Scrambler rifle & Scrambler pistol see you soon |
King Kobrah
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:02:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:1/10th of a second reload hardly useful imo, i'll go with the 5 more bullets to death bonus. 5 bullets? are you high?
I got an increase of about 29-30 shields and I use 4 complex shield extenders
that's not even one bullet from any assault rifle. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:06:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:1/10th of a second reload hardly useful imo, i'll go with the 5 more bullets to death bonus. 5 bullets? are you high? I got an increase of about 29-30 shields and I use 4 complex shield extenders that's not even one bullet from any assault rifle.
On average where I get shot I am out of optimal. its 5 bullets more. |
King Kobrah
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:10:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:1/10th of a second reload hardly useful imo, i'll go with the 5 more bullets to death bonus. 5 bullets? are you high? I got an increase of about 29-30 shields and I use 4 complex shield extenders that's not even one bullet from any assault rifle. On average where I get shot I am out of optimal. its 5 bullets more. lmfao, what kind of assault player gets hit from outside of optimal range more often than anything else???
furthermore, why was the bonus changed down from 5%?
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Funkmaster Whale
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:10:00 -
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It'd be about 3/10 of a second for the AR, and 3/10th of a second can mean the difference between life and death in CQC. The previous bonus wasn't amazing by any means, but neither is the new one. |
calisk galern
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:11:00 -
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trading one pointless bonus for another pointless bonus is not an improvement.
10% bonus on shield extenders is not a good bonus, some classes that use the caldari suit didn't even stack that many shield extenders nor specced into the suit expecting to need to.
for my standard builds this is trading 10% reload speed for 7 shields.
I don't think either really mattered, but reload speed would definitely of helped me a lot more then 7 shields ever will.
even for the people that stack shield extenders to the extreme it's only really going to help a little bit. 28 shields won't even change the shots/kill ratio of most of the weapons in the game.
I agree reload is easily one of the worst and most unnoticeable bonuses in the game but for a sniper like me their was close to no other suit that fit, so I went caldari and now it will be as pointless as the rest of the suits.
end of the day though reload bonus was horrible, and they traded it for another horrible bonus. |
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But What
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:16:00 -
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agreed, that reload plus the reload from the skill itself made a HUGE difference facing more than 2 ppl at once lol |
Mother Facker
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:16:00 -
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I would rather have had the rapid reload skill increased to either 3 or 5% per level instead of this bonus. |
But What
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:18:00 -
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Mother Facker wrote:I would rather have had the rapid reload skill increased to either 3 or 5% per level instead of this bonus.
Quoted for truth |
semperfi1999
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:18:00 -
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Anyone complaining about the change to the caldari assault is an idiot. With the increase you actually get 80 shields per extender (remember you get a 10% boost to shields from extender bonus plus the racial bonus on top of that).
Also the reload speed was almost nonexistent....really 10% faster reload speed and you miss that? This equates to 3/10ths of a second difference in reload speed. Are you that bad with math that you cant figure out this is a waste of SP. Since when does 3/10ths of a second mean the difference between life and death in this game? Try never. Never will you see the 3/10s of a second coming into play in CQC when you are reloading.....your reaction time is not fast enough to take advantage of this super small difference. You never actually saw anything worthwhile with the reload bonus.....now the caldari assault has the best racial bonus for the assault suits. Basically the difference is about 1 shot. 1 shot difference is alot larger than a 3/10s a second less reload time. Especially if your smart and you know about the reload cancel that grants you a full clip and cuts the reload time down by about .5 - .75 seconds (or possible slightly more).
Honestly at least the caldari suit has a decent bonus compared to the rest of the suits. Caldari>Gallente=Amarr>>>> minmatar
Currently if you want to complain about a racial bonus minmatar gets the worst bonus period. If you waste space on the minmatar suit by placing a sidearm on it then your using it wrong (unless you only use sidearms period). |
Mother Facker
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:21:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:But What wrote:Curious to why yous needed to get rid of the reload speed?? its the reason why i went with caldari assault :( If i recall properly, the reload bonus didn't actually work. Didn't notice that much of a difference. 10% to shield extension however, sounds yumm Reload bonus skill definitely worked. While guarding the MCC from intruders I timed the length of my reloads until I ran out of ammo. Either it worked or the AR specific reload skill works better than stated in the skill description. |
Halador Osiris
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:27:00 -
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I don't play ground, but I do like math.. So, iirc there are 5 high slots, if you put complex extenders in all of them (which I'm not even sure if it's possible) you'd have an extra 33 hp, which is an extra enhanced shield extender. |
semperfi1999
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:28:00 -
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Mother Facker wrote:NAV HIV wrote:But What wrote:Curious to why yous needed to get rid of the reload speed?? its the reason why i went with caldari assault :( If i recall properly, the reload bonus didn't actually work. Didn't notice that much of a difference. 10% to shield extension however, sounds yumm Reload bonus skill definitely worked. While guarding the MCC from intruders I timed the length of my reloads until I ran out of ammo. Either it worked or the AR specific reload skill works better than stated in the skill description.
Yea the reload bonus skill is 15% for the specific skill.....it was only 10% for the caldari bonus. Basically all added together you were reloading barely faster than the scrambler rifle standard reload speed. BTW if you know about the reload cancel the reload bonus becomes almost completely worthless. |
semperfi1999
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:30:00 -
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Halador Osiris wrote:I don't play ground, but I do like math.. So, iirc there are 5 high slots, if you put complex extenders in all of them (which I'm not even sure if it's possible) you'd have an extra 33 hp, which is an extra enhanced shield extender.
Caldari assault only has 4 high slots. So its half way between a standard and an enhanced extender. |
Vin Mora
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:32:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Currently if you want to complain about a racial bonus minmatar gets the worst bonus period. If you waste space on the minmatar suit by placing a sidearm on it then your using it wrong (unless you only use sidearms period). I really like the Minmatar bonus, with the extra speed that they have, they are pretty good. And when the new sidearms get added it will be one of the more usual bonuses.
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KingBabar
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:35:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:1/10th of a second reload hardly useful imo, i'll go with the 5 more bullets to death bonus.
Hateful remark.... |
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N1ck Comeau
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:37:00 -
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you would actually have a 20% bonus so you go from 66 an extender to 79.2 an extender.
Because the caldari assault to five, 10% bonus, Shield extenders to five, 10% bonus
Stop complaining it's fine |
King Kobrah
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:39:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:you would actually have a 20% bonus so you go from 66 an extender to 79.2 an extender.
Because the caldari assault to five, 10% bonus, Shield extenders to five, 10% bonus
Stop complaining it's fine the extra shields isn't even one bullet from an assault rifle
how is that fine at a prototype level |
semperfi1999
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:41:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:you would actually have a 20% bonus so you go from 66 an extender to 79.2 an extender.
Because the caldari assault to five, 10% bonus, Shield extenders to five, 10% bonus
Stop complaining it's fine
Well honestly your partially right....in your model the number would round down...but it actually rounds up. This is because you dont add the percentages together they are taken separately. So it would be 66 * 1.10 * 1.10 = 79.8 which rounds up to 80. |
The Infected One
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:42:00 -
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Think about it this way, instead of worrying about that 1 extra bullet from a scram, sniper, AR, whatever...look at it from an instant damage perspective. That slight increase in Shields, can mean the difference between life and death with a single grenade. All and all, more buffer is a good thing. |
semperfi1999
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:43:00 -
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Vin Mora wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Currently if you want to complain about a racial bonus minmatar gets the worst bonus period. If you waste space on the minmatar suit by placing a sidearm on it then your using it wrong (unless you only use sidearms period). I really like the Minmatar bonus, with the extra speed that they have, they are pretty good. And when the new sidearms get added it will be one of the more usual bonuses.
If you use a sidearm on the minmatar then you are giving up a low slot or nades or equipment. |
Vin Mora
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:49:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Vin Mora wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Currently if you want to complain about a racial bonus minmatar gets the worst bonus period. If you waste space on the minmatar suit by placing a sidearm on it then your using it wrong (unless you only use sidearms period). I really like the Minmatar bonus, with the extra speed that they have, they are pretty good. And when the new sidearms get added it will be one of the more usual bonuses. If you use a sidearm on the minmatar then you are giving up a low slot or nades or equipment. I actually plan on running two sidearms when either the MagSec SMG comes out, or I max out the Scrambler Pistol.
Also, I only every use teir 1 Flux and teir 2 AV grenades, I never use locus so my fitting requirements aren't that high.
Trust me, as long as the MagSec isn't insanely hard to fit, I'll be fine. |
semperfi1999
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:52:00 -
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Vin Mora wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Vin Mora wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Currently if you want to complain about a racial bonus minmatar gets the worst bonus period. If you waste space on the minmatar suit by placing a sidearm on it then your using it wrong (unless you only use sidearms period). I really like the Minmatar bonus, with the extra speed that they have, they are pretty good. And when the new sidearms get added it will be one of the more usual bonuses. If you use a sidearm on the minmatar then you are giving up a low slot or nades or equipment. I actually plan on running two sidearms when either the MagSec SMG comes out, or I max out the Scrambler Pistol. Also, I only every use teir 1 Flux and teir 2 AV grenades, I never use locus so my fitting requirements aren't that high. Trust me, as long as the MagSec isn't insanely hard to fit, I'll be fine.
Like i said if you dont use any light weaponry then having a sidearm makes sense. But you are waisting space on your suit if you have both a light weapon and a sidearm on the minmatar as there is not enough fitting left on the suit to fill out your other slots. |
Eriknaught
Vader's Taco Shack
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:57:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Anyone complaining about the change to the caldari assault is an idiot. With the increase you actually get 80 shields per extender (remember you get a 10% boost to shields from extender bonus plus the racial bonus on top of that).
Also the reload speed was almost nonexistent....really 10% faster reload speed and you miss that? This equates to 3/10ths of a second difference in reload speed. Are you that bad with math that you cant figure out this is a waste of SP. Since when does 3/10ths of a second mean the difference between life and death in this game? Try never. Never will you see the 3/10s of a second coming into play in CQC when you are reloading.....your reaction time is not fast enough to take advantage of this super small difference. You never actually saw anything worthwhile with the reload bonus.....now the caldari assault has the best racial bonus for the assault suits. Basically the difference is about 1 shot. 1 shot difference is alot larger than a 3/10s a second less reload time. Especially if your smart and you know about the reload cancel that grants you a full clip and cuts the reload time down by about .5 - .75 seconds (or possible slightly more).
Honestly at least the caldari suit has a decent bonus compared to the rest of the suits. Caldari>Gallente=Amarr>>>> minmatar
Currently if you want to complain about a racial bonus minmatar gets the worst bonus period. If you waste space on the minmatar suit by placing a sidearm on it then your using it wrong (unless you only use sidearms period).
I don't see the problem with having a 100 round clip for my SMGs, definitely makes a difference in a tight situation. That is all. Eriknaught out. END TRANSMISSION. |
NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.30 15:28:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:NAV HIV wrote:But What wrote:NAV HIV wrote:But What wrote:Curious to why yous needed to get rid of the reload speed?? its the reason why i went with caldari assault :( If i recall properly, the reload bonus didn't actually work. Didn't notice that much of a difference. 10% to shield extension however, sounds yumm not really 10% of 66 is 6.6 (thats at max) ... terrible ... VERY disapointed .... 10% extra, that'd make my shield 520+ I'll be OP Really now let me introduce you to my friends their names are Scrambler rifle & Scrambler pistol see you soon
They are good and they hurt. But not always |
NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.30 15:39:00 -
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Mother Facker wrote:NAV HIV wrote:But What wrote:Curious to why yous needed to get rid of the reload speed?? its the reason why i went with caldari assault :( If i recall properly, the reload bonus didn't actually work. Didn't notice that much of a difference. 10% to shield extension however, sounds yumm Reload bonus skill definitely worked. While guarding the MCC from intruders I timed the length of my reloads until I ran out of ammo. Either it worked or the AR specific reload skill works better than stated in the skill description.
I'd say the later. |
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NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.30 15:40:00 -
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The Infected One wrote:Think about it this way, instead of worrying about that 1 extra bullet from a scram, sniper, AR, whatever...look at it from an instant damage perspective. That slight increase in Shields, can mean the difference between life and death with a single grenade. All and all, more buffer is a good thing.
^ This |
Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
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Posted - 2013.07.30 15:42:00 -
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Vin Mora wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Vin Mora wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Currently if you want to complain about a racial bonus minmatar gets the worst bonus period. If you waste space on the minmatar suit by placing a sidearm on it then your using it wrong (unless you only use sidearms period). I really like the Minmatar bonus, with the extra speed that they have, they are pretty good. And when the new sidearms get added it will be one of the more usual bonuses. If you use a sidearm on the minmatar then you are giving up a low slot or nades or equipment. I actually plan on running two sidearms when either the MagSec SMG comes out, or I max out the Scrambler Pistol. Also, I only every use teir 1 Flux and teir 2 AV grenades, I never use locus so my fitting requirements aren't that high. Trust me, as long as the MagSec isn't insanely hard to fit, I'll be fine.
Ishukone SMG, outdamages a duvall ar, and you could dual wield them to really mess up someones day. |
FATCannon - XOXO
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.30 15:46:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:1/10th of a second reload hardly useful imo, i'll go with the 5 more bullets to death bonus.
It was YOU you suggested the nerf! lol
-XOXO |
Vin Mora
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.07.30 15:49:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:Vin Mora wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Vin Mora wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Currently if you want to complain about a racial bonus minmatar gets the worst bonus period. If you waste space on the minmatar suit by placing a sidearm on it then your using it wrong (unless you only use sidearms period). I really like the Minmatar bonus, with the extra speed that they have, they are pretty good. And when the new sidearms get added it will be one of the more usual bonuses. If you use a sidearm on the minmatar then you are giving up a low slot or nades or equipment. I actually plan on running two sidearms when either the MagSec SMG comes out, or I max out the Scrambler Pistol. Also, I only every use teir 1 Flux and teir 2 AV grenades, I never use locus so my fitting requirements aren't that high. Trust me, as long as the MagSec isn't insanely hard to fit, I'll be fine. Like i said if you dont use any light weaponry then having a sidearm makes sense. But you are waisting space on your suit if you have both a light weapon and a sidearm on the minmatar as there is not enough fitting left on the suit to fill out your other slots. And I'm saying that I have made it work for me.
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semperfi1999
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Posted - 2013.07.30 16:05:00 -
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Sheesh at least you have to call this a change....because its definitely not a nerf of the caldari assault suit. If anything its actually a buff....but whether you agree with that or not you cant argue that it was a change...not a nerf just a change. A nerf would make the caldari suit much worse than what it was before. You might have liked that racial bonus before but changing the bonus to work with only a couple weapons and making it work for virtually everyone is definitely not a nerf (because anyone who only runs dmg mods is a noob). |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.30 17:45:00 -
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I find it funny the Caldari are complaining, they get a double buff to their strongest aspect, shields, while armor is still stuck playing catch up. |
But What
Planetary Response Organisation
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Posted - 2013.07.30 22:40:00 -
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So what was the reasoning to this change ?? like it was perfect before.... |
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