CCP primarily uses performance data to determine what needs nerfing / buffing. If you look at the dev blog concerning the flaylock nerf, it comes with numbers and graphs, which can't be made with butthurt and cries.

If forges need nerfing, the numbers will show it. Haven't heard anything about a nerf, or even hinting to one, so forges should be safe for at least the near future.

CCP primarily uses performance data to determine what needs nerfing / buffing. If you look at the dev blog concerning the flaylock nerf, it comes with numbers and graphs, which can't be made with butthurt and cries.

If forges need nerfing, the numbers will show it. Haven't heard anything about a nerf, or even hinting to one, so forges should be safe for at least the near future.

well, but we all should agree that a gun capable of 1 shotting ppl in an fps like dust with such an insane amount of HP is a pretty bad thing. Honestly it's not really a problem like LAVs used to be...but they didn't learn anything from the old swarm launcher back in closed beta?

Honestly, CCP just needs to eliminate all of the flat topped towers, buildings, and structures from the center of the maps.

The relatively low structures aren't that big of a deal, and make for an interesting dynamic. The "mushroom building" is a good example of relative height advantage done right. Those extremely tall towers around the outside of Line Harvest and in the middle of the large complex with the Bravo point that is inside the building,, on the other hand, are the real problem.

Get rid of the obviously exploitable map elements, and the exploitation of those elements go with it.

well, but we all should agree that a gun capable of 1 shotting ppl in an fps like dust with such an insane amount of HP is a pretty bad thing. Honestly it's not really a problem like LAVs used to be...but they didn't learn anything from the old swarm launcher back in closed beta?

Low risk high rewards with my MLT heavy frame and MLT FG vs high risk high rewards with my logi hmmm havent played my logi since! If you can't beat em join em?:D

And you are reason why people are asking for foe guns to be nerfed

They can't get rid of them because then the maps will look even more bland.

What is funny is that adding those flat, thin edges on each tall building was dicosed during the closed beta because of snipers and forge gunners taking advantage of that. But instead of CCP adding that, they added a flight ceiling height. Which reduce the problem by alot (some stil found a way to get up there by using bosters on the dropships)

But now that the flight ceiling has been lifted everyone can get up there which means forge gun galore up there. Not even snipers like to hang on those towers anymore.

How to make your very own win button in less than ten steps:

1. Get a proto assault forge gun
2. Grab two friends (Bob and Joe)(one is fine as well, but not optimal)
3. Bob calls in a dropship
4. Everyone hops in and Bob flies to a tall tower
5. You and Joe hop onto the tower
6. Bob flies to safety to recall while Joe puts down a nanohive and uplink
7. Joe jumps off, leaving you to WTFpwn the enemy team
8. Happy hunting

I don't care how you view me. If I choose to go to the top of the building and use a forge gun on you...and you do nothing to react to me, I will continue to pop you from that location. Continuously, with a hearty laughter that can be echoed throughout the cosmos.

And I will gladly drop nanos by your side so you may forge on for eternity atop your throne. If ants weren't meant to be stomped on they would have been made bigger than us.

It's sad that now they want to nerf the forget gun. It might happen to because ccp just look at numbers instead of actual game play like watching how these idiots stand still lol

Indeed. What did I do when I got out the academy and started getting pounded by all these different weapons I never even heard of? Well after I raged a bit and screamed obscenities about his family lol. I made alts and tried out each suit/weapon. I learned their limits/functions/mechanics/counters/etc. Did I think FGs were freaking annoying before I actually used one? Hell ya but after tinkering with it I realized hey maybe if I don't act like a mime trapped in a box and moved a little I stand a better chance of not getting forge gunned!

OP started this thread off the wrong way regardless. "Not asking for a nerf so blah blah blah" It is just like when you tell your girl "Hey don't take this the wrong way but blah blah blah" It doesn't matter what the blah blah part is she is ONLY focusing on taking it the wrong way right off the bat! I think he wants a nerf so so soooo bad not tricking me! The post started and ended with NERF. Middle part was just him trying to slip ya a mickey! EYE C U!

When exactly did I say "pls nerf the gun's damage or rate of fire" I said no such things. I just clearly stated the reason WHY many people want a nerf on the forge gun. And everyone knows it.

Forge Guns are fine. You need to hit near the enemy in order to kill them, and they do a good damage amunt on vehicles. I will not complain on the dropship though since CCP stated that 1.4 will be a vehicle patch. I smell a dropship buff. Also the tanks we have right now aren't exactly proto tanks. So that's why a a single forge can destroy them so easily. Now when proto tanks are added back again I'll see if the forge gunners are still finding an easy way to destrpoytanks.

Other than all don't get all butthurt on me simplly because I stated the right facts on why alot of non-forgers want the gun nerfed. So calm your **** dude.

so a Forge gunner on a tower is unfair yet a sniper on the tower is fair? what about MD's? i see them on towers as well can i say thats unfair?

i think people here should get off their high horses and just HTFU. just because we're using that tactic its now all of a sudden unfair and needs nerfing. nerfing from what? being on a high building that CCP put there for us to use? thats like telling someone not to use the toilet even though its there for them to use.

and sniping snipers?? dude you clearly havn't seen how difficult it is to "snipe" a sniper thats shooting from the redline. and should i still mention the fact that we can't ADS? it takes some skill to lead a target with the FG and on a tower everyone below is a small target to shoot at

then CCP should just get rid of high towers and have medium height buildings instead. but then again this is the dust forum where the general thinking is if it kills you too much then its considered OP and then start whining on the thread for a nerf.

either get rid of the high towers for good or add a ladder on the tower for someone to sneak up on the FG snipers

Make the splash cone shaped directional of point of impact.

MLT forge=best sniper rifle in the game.

I was doing that **** way before it became popular. Not only am I able to kill infantry, I can cover an objective, take care of hostile vehicles, and reap sweet hate from squads who choose to orbital only me.

That being said, I believe I heard FGs will be getting a range nerf soonTM.

This actually needs to happen. Being able to take down a dropship from one redline to the next isn't fun at all.

This actually needs to happen. Being able to take down a dropship from one redline to the next isn't fun at all.

Nerfing Forge Guns would be like nerfing Sniper Rifles. It all comes down to how a player uses the weapon. Map control is and should continue to be a huge part of the game. Forge Gunners should ALWAYS use height advantage. If you stay on the ground, you're not doing it right at all.

That being said, I believe I heard FGs will be getting a range nerf soonTM.

Nerfing Forge Guns would be like nerfing Sniper Rifles. It all comes down to how a player uses the weapon. Map control is and should continue to be a huge part of the game. Forge Gunners should ALWAYS use height advantage. If you stay on the ground, you're not doing it right at all.

That being said, I believe I heard FGs will be getting a range nerf soonTM.

I was doing that **** way before it became popular. Not only am I able to kill infantry, I can cover an objective, take care of hostile vehicles, and reap sweet hate from squads who choose to orbital only me.

Make the splash cone shaped directional of point of impact.

This is, by far, the most boring way to play the game, let alone the most boring way to use a forge gun.
Leave that **** to the *yawn* snipers. Forge gunners should stick to ground or ladder access buildings only!

I love my forge gun, but l know in the not to distant future, it will be nerfed. It's sad but true.

Scrubs using it to tower snipe will become the new FOTM. After the fraylock nerf bad players are now clamoring to find ways to get easy kills.

Currently I'm am trying to transition to the Plasma Cannon. Underpowered? Yes, but it's better than waiting for my FG to get nerfed.

I was doing that **** way before it became popular. Not only am I able to kill infantry, I can cover an objective, take care of hostile vehicles, and reap sweet hate from squads who choose to orbital only me.