DUST Search - The Forge Gun trend

Buwaro Draemon wrote:

Robocop Junior wrote:

OP started this thread off the wrong way regardless. "Not asking for a nerf so blah blah blah" It is just like when you tell your girl "Hey don't take this the wrong way but blah blah blah" It doesn't matter what the blah blah part is she is ONLY focusing on taking it the wrong way right off the bat! I think he wants a nerf so so soooo bad not tricking me! The post started and ended with NERF. Middle part was just him trying to slip ya a mickey! EYE C U!

When exactly did I say "pls nerf the gun's damage or rate of fire" I said no such things. I just clearly stated the reason WHY many people want a nerf on the forge gun. And everyone knows it.

Forge Guns are fine. You need to hit near the enemy in order to kill them, and they do a good damage amunt on vehicles. I will not complain on the dropship though since CCP stated that 1.4 will be a vehicle patch. I smell a dropship buff. Also the tanks we have right now aren't exactly proto tanks. So that's why a a single forge can destroy them so easily. Now when proto tanks are added back again I'll see if the forge gunners are still finding an easy way to destrpoytanks.

Other than all don't get all butthurt on me simplly because I stated the right facts on why alot of non-forgers want the gun nerfed. So calm your **** dude.

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Robocop Junior The Surrogates Of War 71	Posted - 2013.07.30 07:56:00 - [31] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: OP started this thread off the wrong way regardless. "Not asking for a nerf so blah blah blah" It is just like when you tell your girl "Hey don't take this the wrong way but blah blah blah" It doesn't matter what the blah blah part is she is ONLY focusing on taking it the wrong way right off the bat! I think he wants a nerf so so soooo bad not tricking me! The post started and ended with NERF. Middle part was just him trying to slip ya a mickey! EYE C U! When exactly did I say "pls nerf the gun's damage or rate of fire" I said no such things. I just clearly stated the reason WHY many people want a nerf on the forge gun. And everyone knows it. Forge Guns are fine. You need to hit near the enemy in order to kill them, and they do a good damage amunt on vehicles. I will not complain on the dropship though since CCP stated that 1.4 will be a vehicle patch. I smell a dropship buff. Also the tanks we have right now aren't exactly proto tanks. So that's why a a single forge can destroy them so easily. Now when proto tanks are added back again I'll see if the forge gunners are still finding an easy way to destrpoytanks. Other than all don't get all butthurt on me simplly because I stated the right facts on why alot of non-forgers want the gun nerfed. So calm your **** dude. First my butt feels fine and dandy. Second I don't give a hoot nanny what happens to FGs ( currently just messing with them for fun mixing it up I play logi mostly). Third you did worse than ask for a nerf on the gun's damage or rate or fire....you asked Forge Gunners to nerf themselves cause you "have no problem with forge gunners on the ground" lol....so you want to nerf mountains, buildings, basically anything that gives these players an advantage JUST so you can dispose of them at will. If I logged on tomorrow and you or forge guns or both were gone guess what I would be fine with it g'nite!
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1002	Posted - 2013.07.30 08:07:00 - [32] - Quote MLT forge=best sniper rifle in the game.
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 403	Posted - 2013.07.30 08:12:00 - [33] - Quote so a Forge gunner on a tower is unfair yet a sniper on the tower is fair? what about MD's? i see them on towers as well can i say thats unfair? i think people here should get off their high horses and just HTFU. just because we're using that tactic its now all of a sudden unfair and needs nerfing. nerfing from what? being on a high building that CCP put there for us to use? thats like telling someone not to use the toilet even though its there for them to use. and sniping snipers?? dude you clearly havn't seen how difficult it is to "snipe" a sniper thats shooting from the redline. and should i still mention the fact that we can't ADS? it takes some skill to lead a target with the FG and on a tower everyone below is a small target to shoot at
Kekklian Noobatronic Goonfeet Top Men. 250	Posted - 2013.07.30 08:22:00 - [34] - Quote You are right. There is a problem with Forge Guns. There's also a problem with Tanks and snipers, and you've already highlighted it: Height Advantages on Maps. The problem is in map designs which have extreme distance height advantages, which can only be counteracted by very specific means(Dropshop). The problem is especially apparent with Forge Guns and Tanks, where once they are established, there is virtually no way to get them off because they can maintain height superiority, shooting down any dropships which try and counter them. Again, this is really just poor map design, and the players doing anything and everything they can to get an unfair advantage. CCP really needs to take a look at their maps and perform some structure modifications to prevent crap like that. A forge gunner 50M up? Sure, it sucks, but you can kill him. A forge gunner 280M up? Very very hard to counter, even with snipers.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6757	Posted - 2013.07.30 08:31:00 - [35] - Quote Make the splash cone shaped directional of point of impact.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1002	Posted - 2013.07.30 08:32:00 - [36] - Quote Chibi Andy wrote: so a Forge gunner on a tower is unfair yet a sniper on the tower is fair? what about MD's? i see them on towers as well can i say thats unfair? i think people here should get off their high horses and just HTFU. just because we're using that tactic its now all of a sudden unfair and needs nerfing. nerfing from what? being on a high building that CCP put there for us to use? thats like telling someone not to use the toilet even though its there for them to use. and sniping snipers?? dude you clearly havn't seen how difficult it is to "snipe" a sniper thats shooting from the redline. and should i still mention the fact that we can't ADS? it takes some skill to lead a target with the FG and on a tower everyone below is a small target to shoot at i can snipe(using FG) snipers using snipers rifle better then they can snipe me. sniping is easy on the FG... to easy, it needs a nerf/change bad.
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 403	Posted - 2013.07.30 08:45:00 - [37] - Quote then CCP should just get rid of high towers and have medium height buildings instead. but then again this is the dust forum where the general thinking is if it kills you too much then its considered OP and then start whining on the thread for a nerf. either get rid of the high towers for good or add a ladder on the tower for someone to sneak up on the FG snipers
Yeva Kalsani Reckoners 170	Posted - 2013.07.30 08:49:00 - [38] - Quote I prefer forge-gunning at a range where people can fight back with their Tac ARs, LRs, sniper rifles or tank turrets... it's much more fun when they fight back with their pew-pew guns before going BOOM.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1002	Posted - 2013.07.30 09:01:00 - [39] - Quote Chibi Andy wrote: then CCP should just get rid of high towers and have medium height buildings instead. but then again this is the dust forum where the general thinking is if it kills you too much then its considered OP and then start whining on the thread for a nerf. either get rid of the high towers for good or add a ladder on the tower for someone to sneak up on the FG snipers ah so lowering the height ceiling on dropships back to pre uprising levels, i like it, well 10m lower.
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 403	Posted - 2013.07.30 09:07:00 - [40] - Quote lol i miss the pre uprising stuff

ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood 939	Posted - 2013.07.30 09:10:00 - [41] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Make the splash cone shaped directional of point of impact. This would be brutal for me i dont snipe with a FG im up in side the melee
Arunis Gen G I A N T EoN. 15	Posted - 2013.07.30 10:03:00 - [42] - Quote I was doing that **** way before it became popular. Not only am I able to kill infantry, I can cover an objective, take care of hostile vehicles, and reap sweet hate from squads who choose to orbital only me.
Mortedeamor Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback 139	Posted - 2013.07.30 10:56:00 - [43] - Quote ccp mostly uses performance data to figure out what they are nerfing and buffing...forge gun kills are down drastically from where they used to be
Another Heavy SOB Pure Innocence. EoN. 508	Posted - 2013.07.30 11:20:00 - [44] - Quote ladwar wrote: MLT forge=best sniper rifle in the game. Yeah that 300m Range difference is totally irrelevant.
Another Heavy SOB Pure Innocence. EoN. 508	Posted - 2013.07.30 11:23:00 - [45] - Quote Arunis Gen wrote: I was doing that **** way before it became popular. Not only am I able to kill infantry, I can cover an objective, take care of hostile vehicles, and reap sweet hate from squads who choose to orbital only me. IKR, I've been doing it since the second week of open beta. Not every game though granted, I love my HMG to much.
DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 631	Posted - 2013.07.30 11:50:00 - [46] - Quote Nerfing Forge Guns would be like nerfing Sniper Rifles. It all comes down to how a player uses the weapon. Map control is and should continue to be a huge part of the game. Forge Gunners should ALWAYS use height advantage. If you stay on the ground, you're not doing it right at all. That being said, I believe I heard FGs will be getting a range nerf soonTM.
Cosgar ParagonX 3379	Posted - 2013.07.30 11:53:00 - [47] - Quote DS 10 wrote: That being said, I believe I heard FGs will be getting a range nerf soonTM. This actually needs to happen. Being able to take down a dropship from one redline to the next isn't fun at all.
Another Heavy SOB Pure Innocence. EoN. 508	Posted - 2013.07.30 12:07:00 - [48] - Quote Cosgar wrote: DS 10 wrote: That being said, I believe I heard FGs will be getting a range nerf soonTM. This actually needs to happen. Being able to take down a dropship from one redline to the next isn't fun at all. And that is simply not true. Forge gun efficiency range is 300M Absolute is 320M. That does not cover redline to redline on Any map. Even on manus peak. I cannot get a hit on Dropship hovering above the redline behind B From the Null cannon at A. I urge you to go use one and see for yourself before making such claims.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2058	Posted - 2013.07.30 18:54:00 - [49] - Quote Cosgar wrote: DS 10 wrote: That being said, I believe I heard FGs will be getting a range nerf soonTM. This actually needs to happen. Being able to take down a dropship from one redline to the next isn't fun at all. You're thinking of RAIL guns.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2058	Posted - 2013.07.30 18:55:00 - [50] - Quote DS 10 wrote: Nerfing Forge Guns would be like nerfing Sniper Rifles. It all comes down to how a player uses the weapon. Map control is and should continue to be a huge part of the game. Forge Gunners should ALWAYS use height advantage. If you stay on the ground, you're not doing it right at all. That being said, I believe I heard FGs will be getting a range nerf soonTM. Agreed. Like I said earlier in the thread, the problem isn't as much the forge gun as it is the godawful map design. remove the idiotic tower platforms and most of the forge gun problems disappear.

Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2526	Posted - 2013.07.30 19:34:00 - [51] - Quote CCP just needs to make all buildings accessible by means other than dropships. Even if it means an exposed ladder. It's also annoying what happened to the orbital artillery. That outpost used to be amazing. There were ladders everywhere, and even a heavy could move between buildings, and get onto vantage points. Then the AR scrubs complained that the outpost was sniper city, and CCP decided to remove most of the ladders and put the ugly fences on top of all the buildings.
CuuCH Crusher Commando Perkone Caldari State 179	Posted - 2013.07.30 19:44:00 - [52] - Quote I love my forge gun, but l know in the not to distant future, it will be nerfed. It's sad but true. Scrubs using it to tower snipe will become the new FOTM. After the fraylock nerf bad players are now clamoring to find ways to get easy kills. Currently I'm am trying to transition to the Plasma Cannon. Underpowered? Yes, but it's better than waiting for my FG to get nerfed.
Aramis Madrigal SVER True Blood 22	Posted - 2013.07.30 20:09:00 - [53] - Quote I actually like this trend as it provides an ample supply of exposed fat guys. Does that make me a chubby chaser? Cheers, Aramis
Arunis Gen G I A N T EoN. 19	Posted - 2013.07.30 20:19:00 - [54] - Quote DS 10 wrote: Nerfing Forge Guns would be like nerfing Sniper Rifles. It all comes down to how a player uses the weapon. Map control is and should continue to be a huge part of the game. Forge Gunners should ALWAYS use height advantage. If you stay on the ground, you're not doing it right at all. That being said, I believe I heard FGs will be getting a range nerf soonTM. We're getting hit by another range nerf? **** man.
Beowulf Folkvar HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 5	Posted - 2013.07.31 00:12:00 - [55] - Quote Arunis Gen wrote: I was doing that ** way before it became popular. Not only am I able to kill infantry, I can cover an objective, take care of hostile vehicles, and reap sweet hate from squads who choose to orbital only me. Haha I freakin love that **, makes me feel good to have the enemy use an OB on me and me only
Remm Duchax The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 89	Posted - 2013.07.31 00:19:00 - [56] - Quote Don't see CCP nerfing the gun because we Heavies go up high and be all tactical. That's the same as nerfing sniper rifles because they sit in the redline killing everyone. Personally I think the FG is just in the sweet spot. A non-moving target is always a easy kill, but once when players, LAV's or even tanks go moving a lot I require a lot more shots. A moving assault for example usually takes two to three hits thanks to splash damage. Count in I need to charge my gun for 2-2,5 seconds and still aim and you easily have 6 seconds it takes to usually kill somebody. As long as I know AR's **** my ass in less than 4 seconds!
Remm Duchax The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 89	Posted - 2013.07.31 00:25:00 - [57] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Make the splash cone shaped directional of point of impact. Whut? Can I use it as a shotgun then afterwards?!
Remm Duchax The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 89	Posted - 2013.07.31 00:29:00 - [58] - Quote castba wrote: Harpyja wrote: How to make your very own win button in less than ten steps: Get a proto assault forge gun Grab two friends (Bob and Joe)(one is fine as well, but not optimal) Bob calls in a dropship Everyone hops in and Bob flies to a tall tower You and Joe hop onto the tower Bob flies to safety to recall while Joe puts down a nanohive and uplink Joe jumps off, leaving you to WTFpwn the enemy team Happy hunting This is, by far, the most boring way to play the game, let alone the most boring way to use a forge gun. Leave that **** to the yawn snipers. Forge gunners should stick to ground or ladder access buildings only! I do it often with my squad, but I try to avoid the very high towers and such. Things like the mushroom are the perfect height. Makes my targets a bit bigger and at the same time I get some nice resistance. :P Or maybe my favourite: the tabletop! (if there aren't pesky snipers with their charged variant on the high towers... >.> )
Buwaro Draemon The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 98	Posted - 2013.07.31 03:51:00 - [59] - Quote CuuCH Crusher wrote: I love my forge gun, but l know in the not to distant future, it will be nerfed. It's sad but true. Scrubs using it to tower snipe will become the new FOTM. After the fraylock nerf bad players are now clamoring to find ways to get easy kills. Currently I'm am trying to transition to the Plasma Cannon. Underpowered? Yes, but it's better than waiting for my FG to get nerfed. You sir get my drift. Even if the forge gun is fine, this continuous play style will drive the players crazy and rage about the forge gun even more. If the forge gunners that use that play style were to tone it down a little then the wouldn't have to worry about the forge gun getting hit with the nerf hammer
KING CHECKMATE Seraphim Auxiliaries 431	Posted - 2013.07.31 03:57:00 - [60] - Quote Im actually going Heavy/ FORGE GUN TODAY. 1-st // I play scout, so i get owned by everything since profile dampening/scanning systems are useless. Too many open maps. From vehicles to Mass drivers, flaylocks , Spray a prayers with duvolles etc...And im tired of it. So freakn tired of getting killed just because some dude happened to be looking my side,alerting other 2+ enemy players... 2-I decided i wanted to survive plus still give a good use to my Ishikune SMG with Prof 4. 3-Im tired to death of vehicles 4- I have really good aim now, and the weapon that better rewards you for it is the forge gun. Also i can use my Scrambler rifles with the heavy suit. Love Forge guns, and even if people whine, i dont think they might get nerfed, there are a lot of more OP weapons than the FG. At least the FG needs skill to use....



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