Seeing as how soo many are against respecs, made me wonder what people have done with their SP to make them so happy in the suit their in. I can see why people want respecs, but I also wonder what they would do with all that refunded SP :/

Proto AR, proto Cal-Logi, proto shields, proto Swarm Launcher, lvl4 on nanos and drops, getting most core to lvl3 or 4 at the moment and saving some reserve for when 1.4 comes out.

Only thing I really regret is specing Plasma Cannon level 1. What a waste

Proto assault and logi proto AR ,MD, SL, subMG, flaylock and scrambler pistol
complex armor and shield + kin kats all core skills to 5


Short on time ? or SKILL...... use aurum today !

A lot of what people are saying on this forum is truth- i'd like to point some out

1.) core skills- chances you will end up running freesuits ALOT so go for the passive bonus over the active.
- what are core skills ? those are the ones that stim directly off drop suit upgrades- So, shields, armor, biotics etc. Skill them to 4 or 5. Unless your a veteran player or you come from EVE and your familiar about specialization , customization. Then you can just tank :-)

2.) do not be glamoured by really fancy modules and the promise that a new gun or better gun or equipement is going to make your suit better - i.e do not skill for modules skill for perks and bonus- An example is the AR- do not skill the AR for the access to the glu - skill into the AR for the kick reduction - kick reduction is going to be far more beneficial than the any AR you can unlock

3.) as an exception to this rule- there is one GAME CHANGING MODULE THAT YOU SHOULD UNLOCK AT ONCE! COMPLEX SHIELD EXTENDERS- this module will single handedly change your game play-

4.) as another exception and a fellow duster has pointed out. GO proficient in a weapon ( this is a skill ) - My advice is the AR- -AR will always be king supreme of any FPS and in DUST

5.) Skill into vehicles last- dust is at a time where there is just to much AV- and the points required to be a good tanker are just too many- do not be fulled into thinking that ( its just 24 k of skill points ) thats a whole day of passive SP - if your saving for a proto suit one day shaved off is a god send

6.) spend wisely - dust is not forgiving to those that waste skill points

7.) Skill today how you will play tomorrow( next year preferably ) : ask a caldari logi the importance of skilling for the future




As for me- I have 12.2 million total-

My most notoable skill ups are - Assult G-1, Logistics Gk0 , AR with pro 3 , nanohives 5, rep tools 4, extenders 5, and all core skills 3 and 4 - and amarr logi std-

I spent two million in dropships- WASTE but i wouldnt take a resepect unless CCP made me

Nothing I am saving up in the hopes I can sell my SP when we get player trading. I have worked it out I have 12mil SP at the moment and by the time we get player trading I will easily be on 100mil.

A lot of what people are saying on this forum is truth- i'd like to point some out

1.) core skills- chances you will end up running freesuits ALOT so go for the passive bonus over the active.
- what are core skills ? those are the ones that stim directly off drop suit upgrades- So, shields, armor, biotics etc. Skill them to 4 or 5. Unless your a veteran player or you come from EVE and your familiar about specialization , customization. Then you can just tank :-)

2.) do not be glamoured by really fancy modules and the promise that a new gun or better gun or equipement is going to make your suit better - i.e do not skill for modules skill for perks and bonus- An example is the AR- do not skill the AR for the access to the glu - skill into the AR for the kick reduction - kick reduction is going to be far more beneficial than the any AR you can unlock

3.) as an exception to this rule- there is one GAME CHANGING MODULE THAT YOU SHOULD UNLOCK AT ONCE! COMPLEX SHIELD EXTENDERS- this module will single handedly change your game play-

4.) as another exception and a fellow duster has pointed out. GO proficient in a weapon ( this is a skill ) - My advice is the AR- -AR will always be king supreme of any FPS and in DUST

5.) Skill into vehicles last- dust is at a time where there is just to much AV- and the points required to be a good tanker are just too many- do not be fulled into thinking that ( its just 24 k of skill points ) thats a whole day of passive SP - if your saving for a proto suit one day shaved off is a god send

6.) spend wisely - dust is not forgiving to those that waste skill points

7.) Skill today how you will play tomorrow( next year preferably ) : ask a caldari logi the importance of skilling for the future

As for me- I have 12.2 million total-

My most notoable skill ups are - Assult G-1, Logistics Gk0 , AR with pro 3 , nanohives 5, rep tools 4, extenders 5, and all core skills 3 and 4 - and amarr logi std-

I spent two million in dropships- WASTE but i wouldnt take a resepect unless CCP made me

Seeing as how soo many are against respecs, made me wonder what people have done with their SP to make them so happy in the suit their in. I can see why people want respecs, but I also wonder what they would do with all that refunded SP :/

^Truth

14mil sp

most core skills to 5

most core vehicle skills to 3

cal logi 5

cal assault 3

shotguns almost maxed

demolitions 4 (working on 5) explosives 4 (also working on 5) nades @ 2

and some other stuff like smg, ARs, at modest levels etc etc...

I pretty much just run a dren logi suit and dren shotty w/all bp mods tho.... but with my core skills to 5 and almost maxed shotty skills I can compete against protos and adv fits pretty efficiently... only thing on my suit that costs money are REs... my suit is 8k

if you spend your sp on core skills first before suits you don't have much to complain about... most of the respec QQers thought the suit was more important than the mods and the core skills... they made poor choices...

but maxxing shield extenders is not a must

being gallente i'd spec armor and reppers to lvl5 being the ferroscale give almost the same hp as extenders

without a penalty you can also stack one basic plate with a ferroscale without much penalty in speed

but I still wouldn't pass up specing out the AR to lvl3 for the GEK

and then throw sharpshooter 5 on it

Seeing as how soo many are against respecs, made me wonder what people have done with their SP to make them so happy in the suit their in. I can see why people want respecs, but I also wonder what they would do with all that refunded SP :/

It definitely is if you're shield tanking though. 33 -> 66 doubles the use you get out of a single module slot. Big deal, meaning its worth it even if you're low SP and its a big investment to unlock these.



on the repair systems, thats a lot of SP to go from 3.45 hp/s per enhanced module to 5hp/s per complex module, not to mention the fittings cost if you're not using a proto suit. For me, a gal player, upping armor plates/repair from 3/3 to 5/5 seems like not a high priority, at least not compared to a new shield player getting complex extenders.

Also, the "not much penalty" from using a ferroscale with another plate is a bug and INCORRECT application of the stacking formula by CCP. They are very embarrassed by this, and will not acknowledge it. Suffice to say how the stacking penalty formula works is not up for debate considering how well it is understood by the playerbase of Eve. The entire point of the stacking formula is that 1 heavy plate and 1 light plate should NEVER be faster than just one heavy plate. If it is, then its broken, period. If CCP is using a bug as a stealth buff to armor with these modules, then that's very naughty of them and again, they will never publicly acknowledge it.



Why would you ever train sharpshooter 5 instead of finishing AR OP 5 and getting both kick reduction AND unlocking raw damage from the proficiency skill AND unlocking the duvolle + variants to boot?

I have AR spec 3 but sharpshooter 1, is this really a necessary skill at this point? If it doesn't improve the range of the weapon, then I don't need it, the spread is already insanely low for me.

1 million wasted on things to make my scout....

310k into HMGs, and some core skills, namely biotics and shields. I have a total of 2.5 million SP. Half of all the SP I earned is wasted, through no fault of my own.

going to lvl 5 on repper gives you over 6hp repairs just like your opinion on the extenders thats almost double and paired with a logi's auto reps it becomes more beastly. the so called plate glich I dont believe is true putting a ferroscale plate on raises your base armor so the penalty is applied from that new value. the AR is not my weapon of choice, the SMG is, my AR I actually use as my secondary so going to lvl3 for the GEK then training sharpshooter is very valid for my assault class
I have a very decent long range weapon with just this trained and if you come closer I will show you what submachine gun can do with skill points invested in it
and 95% of the time the AR will not beat me in cqc

Seeing as how soo many are against respecs, made me wonder what people have done with their SP to make them so happy in the suit their in. I can see why people want respecs, but I also wonder what they would do with all that refunded SP :/

Seeing as how soo many are against respecs, made me wonder what people have done with their SP to make them so happy in the suit their in. I can see why people want respecs, but I also wonder what they would do with all that refunded SP :/

ah i see it goes from 3 base to 5 base, so 3.45 hp/s w/ advanced to 6.25hp/s w/ complex, that said, the logi rep bonus just makes the complex armor repairer less necessary (compared to say fitting 2 complex vs 1 complex on an assault suit, where the difference would be pretty big).

I'm not sure what you mean by "penalty applied from that new value." The penalty has to do with your base speed and the armor mods you're using, fitting a normal plate and a ferroscale should give the exact same speed as a normal plate and a repper.

I understand SMGs are good, I use them for sidearms, but my point was that training AR OP 5 and putting the rest in proficiency should ALWAYS be better than AR op 3 plus AR sharpshooter 5.

I spent some wisely on things that would benefit me no matter what suit I was in or what weapon I held.

After that, I spent more wisely on weapons and dropsuits I thought looked interesting.

I'm not 100% happy with all of my expenditures, though you don't see me bitching and moaning for a respec do you?

Seeing as how soo many are against respecs, made me wonder what people have done with their SP to make them so happy in the suit their in. I can see why people want respecs, but I also wonder what they would do with all that refunded SP :/