DUST Search - Dumb people speced into logi and assault

THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:

General John Ripper wrote:

THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:

Its called PC, we cant afford to not have at least 10mil SP into a fitting well designed & effective or you'd get owned in PC, the skill core upgrades is an SP sink past level 2, and CPU & PG only needs level 3, and after that is an SP sink.
As for the equipment that falls under core upgrades, uplinks and nanohives are the only ones worth a damn, and mostly just uplinks.

dafuq? cpu and pg only at level 3? no core skills past level 2? are you a troll?

core skills add 1% to PG & CPU for every level, thats almost a million SP for 3% extra base pg & cpu past level 2, its 960k SP to get a weapon from operation 1 to proficiency 3, to allow officer weapon usage.

getting cpu & pg from levels 3-5 requires 1.2mil each, just for the last 2 levels, thats a whole 'nother racial proto suit if you choose so.

The only time you'd need to put SP into all that would be to maximise CPU or PG because you either dont want to use any low slots for cpu or pg extenders at all, or you want to use only very few slots for them, and need the complex extenders rather than enhanced.

There are smart ways to spend your SP to get the most of out of it.
Its a bit like taking a single weapons extra skills to level 5, ya sure you may get increased 6% damage from proficiency 4&5, but that will cost you more SP for those 2 levels than getting an entire other weapon from operation 1 up to proficiency 3.

Gigantic SP sinks that give you a slight advantage, and the only time those are useful are for highly specialised builds.

And in this game with s*** getting nerfed left & right you do NOT want to be that specialised.

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DRDEEZE TWO POINTO DEEZE NUTSZ INC 69	Posted - 2013.07.28 15:51:00 - [1] - Quote Smart ones saved their sp and got core upgrades.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 1751	Posted - 2013.07.28 15:54:00 - [2] - Quote Most of being a Logi IS in core upgrades. Are you stating the obvious that buying a hull or suit that you can't effectively fit is a bad idea? Because that's been said many times before.
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 736	Posted - 2013.07.28 15:56:00 - [3] - Quote /confused I thought core upgrades an obvious nobrainer
DRDEEZE TWO POINTO DEEZE NUTSZ INC 69	Posted - 2013.07.28 15:56:00 - [4] - Quote Yes.
Medic 1879 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 749	Posted - 2013.07.28 15:58:00 - [5] - Quote Having maxed out core skills wont do you much good if you can only use MLT suits though.
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 736	Posted - 2013.07.28 15:59:00 - [6] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Having maxed out core skills wont do you much good if you can only use MLT suits though. I worked mine back and forth. which is why I didn't get proto suits until like a month ago and as a logi I had to train up a bunch of equipment to go with it
BrownEye1129 SVER True Blood 23	Posted - 2013.07.28 15:59:00 - [7] - Quote You my friend are getting a needle in the middle of a fire fight from this dumb logi. I'll keep my rep gun tucked away in my belt, and my nano hives in high to reach places good sir. Then I'll just run around in my free suit bc it is so effective for a team to have 0 logis.
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 155	Posted - 2013.07.28 16:00:00 - [8] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Having maxed out core skills wont do you much good if you can only use MLT suits though. having maxed core skills makes everysuit better even MLT
DRDEEZE TWO POINTO DEEZE NUTSZ INC 69	Posted - 2013.07.28 16:00:00 - [9] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: Having maxed out core skills wont do you much good if you can only use MLT suits though. And that why you got the basic proto suit the one that half the sp cost of the specialised ones and the same as the assault.
First Prophet Jaguar Empire 719	Posted - 2013.07.28 16:02:00 - [10] - Quote XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Having maxed out core skills wont do you much good if you can only use MLT suits though. having maxed core skills makes everysuit better even MLT militia gets the least bonus from it though.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Pure Innocence. EoN. 133	Posted - 2013.07.28 16:02:00 - [11] - Quote Its called PC, we cant afford to not have at least 10mil SP into a fitting well designed & effective or you'd get owned in PC, the skill core upgrades is an SP sink past level 2, and CPU & PG only needs level 3, and after that is an SP sink. As for the equipment that falls under core upgrades, uplinks and nanohives are the only ones worth a damn, and mostly just uplinks.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 950	Posted - 2013.07.28 16:03:00 - [12] - Quote DRDEEZE TWO POINTO wrote: Smart ones saved their sp and got core upgrades. Many have enough SP for both. And others favour variety over specialisation.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Pure Innocence. EoN. 133	Posted - 2013.07.28 16:05:00 - [13] - Quote Its called PC, we cant afford to not have at least 10mil SP into a fitting well designed & effective or you'd get owned in PC, the skill core upgrades is an SP sink past level 2, and CPU & PG only needs level 3, and after that is an SP sink. As for the equipment that falls under core upgrades, uplinks and nanohives are the only ones worth a damn, and mostly just uplinks.
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 736	Posted - 2013.07.28 16:08:00 - [14] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Its called PC, we cant afford to not have at least 10mil SP into a fitting well designed & effective or you'd get owned in PC, the skill core upgrades is an SP sink past level 2, and CPU & PG only needs level 3, and after that is an SP sink. As for the equipment that falls under core upgrades, uplinks and nanohives are the only ones worth a damn, and mostly just uplinks. yeh, I have yet to see a reason to take cpu and pg to 5.. but I do have lvl 4 , need it for a couple very specialized roles in my advanced logi.. it's too specialized to put on a proto suit
DRDEEZE TWO POINTO DEEZE NUTSZ INC 69	Posted - 2013.07.28 16:19:00 - [15] - Quote BrownEye1129 wrote: You my friend are getting a needle in the middle of a fire fight from this dumb logi. I'll keep my rep gun tucked away in my belt, and my nano hives in high to reach places good sir. Then I'll just run around in my free suit bc it is so effective for a team to have 0 logis. Doesn't matter I can carry my own nanohives and I'm gallente so the needle will either heal 20% 50% or 80% so I will have a chunk of armor left.
Knightshade Belladonna Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 738	Posted - 2013.07.28 16:24:00 - [16] - Quote nvm
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5542	Posted - 2013.07.28 16:25:00 - [17] - Quote They also spread peanut butter on their toes instead of their toast :/
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1337	Posted - 2013.07.28 16:51:00 - [18] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Its called PC, we cant afford to not have at least 10mil SP into a fitting well designed & effective or you'd get owned in PC, the skill core upgrades is an SP sink past level 2, and CPU & PG only needs level 3, and after that is an SP sink. As for the equipment that falls under core upgrades, uplinks and nanohives are the only ones worth a damn, and mostly just uplinks. yeh, I have yet to see a reason to take cpu and pg to 5.. but I do have lvl 4 , need it for a couple very specialized roles in my advanced logi.. it's too specialized to put on a proto suit Electronics 5 is now mandatory for cal logis come 1.3... The reason to go level 5 is to unlock the complex upgrade.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1991	Posted - 2013.07.28 16:52:00 - [19] - Quote Dumb people specced into FotM. Smart people specced into playstyles they enjoy.
General John Ripper The Generals EoN. 1947	Posted - 2013.07.28 16:58:00 - [20] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Its called PC, we cant afford to not have at least 10mil SP into a fitting well designed & effective or you'd get owned in PC, the skill core upgrades is an SP sink past level 2, and CPU & PG only needs level 3, and after that is an SP sink. As for the equipment that falls under core upgrades, uplinks and nanohives are the only ones worth a damn, and mostly just uplinks. dafuq? cpu and pg only at level 3? no core skills past level 2? are you a troll?
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 3614	Posted - 2013.07.28 17:00:00 - [21] - Quote *****, I maxed out all the core stuff.
DRDEEZE TWO POINTO DEEZE NUTSZ INC 69	Posted - 2013.07.28 17:18:00 - [22] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: *****, I maxed out all the core stuff. Then your a smart as azz. And now you have the privilege to get a specialized suit and I won't call you dumb.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Pure Innocence. EoN. 136	Posted - 2013.07.28 17:19:00 - [23] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Its called PC, we cant afford to not have at least 10mil SP into a fitting well designed & effective or you'd get owned in PC, the skill core upgrades is an SP sink past level 2, and CPU & PG only needs level 3, and after that is an SP sink. As for the equipment that falls under core upgrades, uplinks and nanohives are the only ones worth a damn, and mostly just uplinks. dafuq? cpu and pg only at level 3? no core skills past level 2? are you a troll? core skills add 1% to PG & CPU for every level, thats almost a million SP for 3% extra base pg & cpu past level 2, its 960k SP to get a weapon from operation 1 to proficiency 3, to allow officer weapon usage. getting cpu & pg from levels 3-5 requires 1.2mil each, just for the last 2 levels, thats a whole 'nother racial proto suit if you choose so. The only time you'd need to put SP into all that would be to maximise CPU or PG because you either dont want to use any low slots for cpu or pg extenders at all, or you want to use only very few slots for them, and need the complex extenders rather than enhanced. There are smart ways to spend your SP to get the most of out of it. Its a bit like taking a single weapons extra skills to level 5, ya sure you may get increased 6% damage from proficiency 4&5, but that will cost you more SP for those 2 levels than getting an entire other weapon from operation 1 up to proficiency 3. Gigantic SP sinks that give you a slight advantage, and the only time those are useful are for highly specialised builds. And in this game with s*** getting nerfed left & right you do NOT want to be that specialised.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 287	Posted - 2013.07.28 17:40:00 - [24] - Quote im kinda specialised in taking shields out
Sgt Buttscratch G I A N T EoN. 551	Posted - 2013.07.28 17:58:00 - [25] - Quote cant have both?.......
General John Ripper The Generals EoN. 1947	Posted - 2013.07.28 17:58:00 - [26] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: General John Ripper wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Its called PC, we cant afford to not have at least 10mil SP into a fitting well designed & effective or you'd get owned in PC, the skill core upgrades is an SP sink past level 2, and CPU & PG only needs level 3, and after that is an SP sink. As for the equipment that falls under core upgrades, uplinks and nanohives are the only ones worth a damn, and mostly just uplinks. dafuq? cpu and pg only at level 3? no core skills past level 2? are you a troll? core skills add 1% to PG & CPU for every level, thats almost a million SP for 3% extra base pg & cpu past level 2, its 960k SP to get a weapon from operation 1 to proficiency 3, to allow officer weapon usage. getting cpu & pg from levels 3-5 requires 1.2mil each, just for the last 2 levels, thats a whole 'nother racial proto suit if you choose so. The only time you'd need to put SP into all that would be to maximise CPU or PG because you either dont want to use any low slots for cpu or pg extenders at all, or you want to use only very few slots for them, and need the complex extenders rather than enhanced. There are smart ways to spend your SP to get the most of out of it. Its a bit like taking a single weapons extra skills to level 5, ya sure you may get increased 6% damage from proficiency 4&5, but that will cost you more SP for those 2 levels than getting an entire other weapon from operation 1 up to proficiency 3. Gigantic SP sinks that give you a slight advantage, and the only time those are useful are for highly specialised builds. And in this game with s*** getting nerfed left & right you do NOT want to be that specialised. At 16m sp... I easily have all core upgrades at level 3.( a few are level 4 but cpu ang pg are definately at level 5.) I have a proto suit and proto assault rifle. proto flaylock proto uplinks. nanohives at level 4. all shield upgrades at level 5. proto nades in 200k sp so give me a week. Advanced swarm launchers Lav skills (which to me are now kind of essential if you want to cap objectives fast in the beginning of the match) Turret upgrade skils to increase damage delt when in vehicles too. I do not feel extremely specialized but if your in this game for the long haul then core skills become more necessary. You may see it as a 1% bonus that will hardly do anything but that 1% will follow you in every match you play and in every drop suit you use. I agree that skill points shouldn't be wasted but how useful is having multiple proto suits when all your core skills are at level 2? You can only use one suit at a time and so you have over a million sp that is not helping you at all unless you bring out that suit. I do agree somewhat with your points. There is no need to max out your skills such as getting level 5 for everything. Level 4-5 are expensive but only a few skills are worth the sp to go into level 5. I think level 3-4 is a better cut off point depending on the skill. I do plan on eventually getting another proto suit and more guns but that is mostly for when this game starts to get boring and I want a new toy to play with. Right now I have all the dren suits so I can play as a logi, assault, scout, or even a heavy. They may be standard suits but the core skills sure do help with all of them. Having my cpu maxed allows me to use a rep tool, advanced uplinks and advanced nanohives on a standard logi suit which makes a suit that costs less than 25k a point making monster.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers EoN. 269	Posted - 2013.07.28 18:26:00 - [27] - Quote Or you could just max core skills AND proto suit. Oh, CCP thought it was a good idea for beta players to have like 9 million more skill points than you. Sorry :(. Uncapped SP till 10 million! Make it happen!
DRDEEZE TWO POINTO DEEZE NUTSZ INC 69	Posted - 2013.07.28 18:45:00 - [28] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Or you could just max core skills AND proto suit. Oh, CCP thought it was a good idea for beta players to have like 9 million more skill points than you. Sorry :(. Uncapped SP till 10 million! Make it happen! I do have proto but it's the basic medium frame so there no need for assault and the only useful true logi is gallante and mimintar and caldari getting nerfed and armarr is armarr.
Ansiiis The Trustworthy WE ARE LEGENDS 194	Posted - 2013.07.28 18:52:00 - [29] - Quote Why wouldn't you level electronics and engineering to 5? I can't fit all I want with electronics 5 and engineering 4. That's why I am going engineering 5 in a week.

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