Stop hiding in the mountains and take control of the points!

I would never expect snipers if the entirely team is losing when all points are captured and are losing terribly!

I think it should be clear to the other team that they wouldn't be credit if the team loses to the point where snipers are looking for target practice, go play an ambush match if you are looking for target practice!

It's funny but I would say that if I'm playing Skirmish because I want to take control of points and win, I would expect people to take over points and hold those points or to re-capture those points and to get help the team. Not camp and wait for the magic to have the tide change and have the other members of the team getting killed or trying to find ways to take control of the points!

Not only that, I also think they're losing because there like 6 to 8 players (half of the entire team) who are being snipers!, What's the point of entering a skirmish match then?

... and I do think people are abusing it. It's simple, take over the points and win the match!

Stop hiding in the mountains and take control of the points!

I would never expect snipers if the entirely team is losing when all points are captured and are losing terribly!

I think it should be clear to the other team that they wouldn't be credit if the team loses to the point where snipers are looking for target practice, go play an ambush match if you are looking for target practice!

It's funny but I would say that if I'm playing Skirmish because I want to take control of points and win, I would expect people to take over points and hold those points or to re-capture those points and to get help the team. Not camp and wait for the magic to have the tide change and have the other members of the team getting killed or trying to find ways to take control of the points!

Not only that, I also think they're losing because there like 6 to 8 players (half of the entire team) who are being snipers!, What's the point of entering a skirmish match then?

... and I do think people are abusing it. It's simple, take over the points and win the match!

Part of the problem is you cant exactly vet all the players entering. If half your team are dedicated snipers what can they do? Its what they train in and spec for. They might be able to capture a point but they don't have the gear to hold it

Well, this just shows that sniping is too easy.
Snipers need weapon ballistics (drop off, travel time).

All of the people who dislike redline play and suggest solutions to it seem to forget the whole point of the redline. The redline is there to prevent spawn camping and base-****ing. If you remove the redline or de-incentivize redline play, then the people who get forced into the redline by a vastly superior team will just have that much more to contend with. Instead, ask yourselves this: when was the last time a player in the redline proved to be a meaningful contributor to his own team? It's a cautious playstyle made for people who don't want to risk, similar things exist in Eve and are vital to the health of the player base. I suspect the problem will largely vanish when PVE is introduced as it will fill that niche. In the mean time, just grin and bear it.

What if they genuinely like to snipe more then anything else and spent most of their points into it?

As was previously mentioned, you can't help imbalances where one team has more snipers then usual, and sometimes you get goofy things like nine snipers on one team.

What? So I'm only allowed to spend points in one playstyle? Man I've been breaking rules.

Seriously though, if all your points are in sniping then you're either a newbie, note this is different than n00b, or just bad. I don't even have 8 million sp and I can make a decent cqb fit if my team already has enough snipers.

Snipers, stop being bad and spend sp in something else. Help your team out a little.

Sometimes we must do things that we don't like in order to succeed.

To put it another way, having the world's greatest knife is all well and good, but when all you need is a hammer, no one really cares how good your knife is. The lesson being, spend a little less on your knife so that you can still afford a hammer.

All of the people who dislike redline play and suggest solutions to it seem to forget the whole point of the redline. The redline is there to prevent spawn camping and base-****ing. If you remove the redline or de-incentivize redline play, then the people who get forced into the redline by a vastly superior team will just have that much more to contend with. Instead, ask yourselves this: when was the last time a player in the redline proved to be a meaningful contributor to his own team? It's a cautious playstyle made for people who don't want to risk, similar things exist in Eve and are vital to the health of the player base. I suspect the problem will largely vanish when PVE is introduced as it will fill that niche. In the mean time, just grin and bear it.

[quote=Crow Splat][quote=broonfondle majikthies]Nova knifers are not exactly in high demand but I've certainly been killed by a couple that demand respect (one was like I was fighting a f***ing Predator!) Should they be made to march on the front line and capture points while under enemy fire?

68 -0 that is cool man. Out of all those kills how many were crouch snipes? I bet all of them zzzzzzzzz.

rofl you have to time your shot....thats real hard to do considering you have all the time in the world and half a map of distance between you and your unknowing target not too mention he is prolly busy in a firefight or actually contributing to the team. There is no such thing as a good sniper or any skill involved in sniping in this game. You went 5/0 with 200 WPs great round sniper.

you must have been one of my victims

Stop hiding in the mountains and take control of the points!

I would never expect snipers if the entirely team is losing when all points are captured and are losing terribly!

I think it should be clear to the other team that they wouldn't be credit if the team loses to the point where snipers are looking for target practice, go play an ambush match if you are looking for target practice!

It's funny but I would say that if I'm playing Skirmish because I want to take control of points and win, I would expect people to take over points and hold those points or to re-capture those points and to get help the team. Not camp and wait for the magic to have the tide change and have the other members of the team getting killed or trying to find ways to take control of the points!

Not only that, I also think they're losing because there like 6 to 8 players (half of the entire team) who are being snipers!, What's the point of entering a skirmish match then?

... and I do think people are abusing it. It's simple, take over the points and win the match!

As a dedicated sniper I heartily agree.

We can do a ton of good hacking points when the fighting is raging someplace else. Plus we get points.

The other team will have to come back to re-hack it (and we can snipe their asses) or their MCCs will get shot up.

Hacking CRUs is also a good way to help the infantry redline the bad guys.

You might lose a clone or two but the risk is well worth the reward.


Munch

A sniper is supposed to be hidden mabye you elite cQc players should do your job and take the objectives and leave us snipers to do ours.

if you want a cQc game go play ambush. skirmish is big map where snipers can make use of the long range.

the point of entering a skirmish match as a sniper is bigger maps to make use of long range weapon. what good is a 400m weapon in a 200m battleground? You want cQc then you go to ambush. you want team tacticle play with long range and short range go to skirmish. you want only 2 snipers on your team go PC. I play a sniper in public matches because that is what i enjoy. I dont play cQc because that is what I don't enjoy. this is a game for enjoyment. you want to enjoy your game with no snipers then join a corp and play PC battles that gives you the choice to boot out snipers. I have to play public with the turbo tanks outrunning swarm missles, AFKers, red-line snipers (my favorite enemy targets because unlike all the babies with all the skill my no skill sniper can kill them),

To the sniping takes no skill crowd then what does that say for you when you cant counter snipe them or find them in the hills and stab them in the back? I know what direction im facing when im shot because I dont just mindlessly run and gun. when im killed im then giving the distance, weapon, suit, and dmg of the person that killed me. I then use that to find snipers all day long. mindless no skill front line mercs dont know what direction they are facing half the time but think they are the all skill players that take so much to be good at. I can stand on the side of a hill an entire match in the wide open and no cover and snipe because I know there are more no skill front line mercs that are not skilled enough to find someone standing on the side of a hill killing them over and over. how skilled they look as a laugh killing them over and over and over and over. so much skill it takes to run and gun and come here and cry about snipers.

This shows that the game does not reward winning or losing UNLESS it is a PC battle.

Currently the game rewards you for WP and gives very little extra incentive to actually "win" a match.

Stop hiding in the mountains and take control of the points!

I would never expect snipers if the entirely team is losing when all points are captured and are losing terribly!

I think it should be clear to the other team that they wouldn't be credit if the team loses to the point where snipers are looking for target practice, go play an ambush match if you are looking for target practice!

It's funny but I would say that if I'm playing Skirmish because I want to take control of points and win, I would expect people to take over points and hold those points or to re-capture those points and to get help the team. Not camp and wait for the magic to have the tide change and have the other members of the team getting killed or trying to find ways to take control of the points!

Not only that, I also think they're losing because there like 6 to 8 players (half of the entire team) who are being snipers!, What's the point of entering a skirmish match then?

... and I do think people are abusing it. It's simple, take over the points and win the match!

Stop hiding in the mountains and take control of the points!

I would never expect snipers if the entirely team is losing when all points are captured and are losing terribly!

I think it should be clear to the other team that they wouldn't be credit if the team loses to the point where snipers are looking for target practice, go play an ambush match if you are looking for target practice!

It's funny but I would say that if I'm playing Skirmish because I want to take control of points and win, I would expect people to take over points and hold those points or to re-capture those points and to get help the team. Not camp and wait for the magic to have the tide change and have the other members of the team getting killed or trying to find ways to take control of the points!

Not only that, I also think they're losing because there like 6 to 8 players (half of the entire team) who are being snipers!, What's the point of entering a skirmish match then?

... and I do think people are abusing it. It's simple, take over the points and win the match!

A few things:

• First of all, snipers do not have skills in any other thing then sniping, they are fragile and are not suited to take over points.
• Game mechanics is not allowing to take stealthily the good spots in the middle of the map when enemy team have all of the points, as soon as you order DS you are dead-sniper.
• Ambush matches are not for snipers - when your target if focused on taking objective he act differently from guy who want to kill you.
• Bugs prevent us from successfully defending skirmish objectives, occasionally we have to deal with immortal hacker that get none dmg or we have to deal with infantry that melt with the objective texture, or simply invisible people, low-frame rate runners that teleports.
• Match-making system works fine, if you have 6 snipers in the team, opposite side have snipers to.

* If you have all SP invested into sniper you are an idiot (I can snipe just as effectively/or even more with 0 training and MLT gear)
* Any spot can be a good spot (you can snipe from 500 meters hello)
* If all you can do is crouch and wait for sway to stop you suck at sniping sorry (learn to CQC snipe or QS) ambush should't stop you from sniping just cause you can't camp an objective
* The bugs and rendering I will give you that but everyone deals with this (forge gunners, railgunners, etc.)

As a dedicated sniper I heartily agree.

We can do a ton of good hacking points when the fighting is raging someplace else. Plus we get points.

The other team will have to come back to re-hack it (and we can snipe their asses) or their MCCs will get shot up.

Hacking CRUs is also a good way to help the infantry redline the bad guys.

You might lose a clone or two but the risk is well worth the reward.


Munch

By all means no, do whatever you want. I'm saying that most of us specialise in certain weapons and armour. Where's the fun in playing a loadout for something your not interested in. It is a game after all

Nova knifers are not exactly in high demand but I've certainly been killed by a couple that demand respect (one was like I was fighting a f***ing Predator!) Should they be made to march on the front line and capture points while under enemy fire?

robot is a troll, stop answering him like his opinion matters.

most snipers are a waste of team slots, some seem to be learning the tricks of the trade in how to be useful to the team and for taht I am glad, but the ratio of garbage snipers to good sniper is horribly skewed.

[quote=broonfondle majikthies][quote=Crow Splat][quote=broonfondle majikthies]
A good Nova Knifer is worth 30 snipers in my opinion. They may not get a lot of kills, but they play the objective like no one else.

your bias pos of a response is no better,.

There is a lot of players coming to Dust to build characters to use in a MMO, If someone wants to sit back an relax then all the power to them.

I dont see dust pubs as a place to be serious about winning, the Pubs is a place to farm SP,. thats it, period,. nuff said,.

The sooner people understand this is not some try hard FPS the better, people need a place to farm, people need PVE, and tryhards need arena PVP or ranked matchs.

Stop hiding in the mountains and take control of the points!

I would never expect snipers if the entirely team is losing when all points are captured and are losing terribly!

I think it should be clear to the other team that they wouldn't be credit if the team loses to the point where snipers are looking for target practice, go play an ambush match if you are looking for target practice!

It's funny but I would say that if I'm playing Skirmish because I want to take control of points and win, I would expect people to take over points and hold those points or to re-capture those points and to get help the team. Not camp and wait for the magic to have the tide change and have the other members of the team getting killed or trying to find ways to take control of the points!

Not only that, I also think they're losing because there like 6 to 8 players (half of the entire team) who are being snipers!, What's the point of entering a skirmish match then?

... and I do think people are abusing it. It's simple, take over the points and win the match!

I leave this here if you guys would like an idea of how to fix the situation.

http://youtu.be/DyII0o2N13A

Ok so opinions do count, but ya cant really take into account a "good" Nova Knifer and not take into account a "good" Sniper .

A good sniper who understands angles on the battlefield can be no where near an objective, but yet lock down that objective single handedly... going (6-0) in a skirmish is worth more than (15-2) if those 6 kills were against all hackers and his team was able to keep Objective C from being hacked all game...but because noone is really able to see the types of kills a sniper gets, the perception that we are useless goes overboard....I can't count how many times I have saved a teammate of mine from being killed because he wasnt aware of who was behind him, but of course he would never know that.....

even better....saving a noob scout from a heavy suit, cuz he wants to take him on thinking the strafing mechanics will help him lol

I just want the ability to add players to a list that makes them a different color when on my team so when im sniping i know who not to help and let the enemy team kill them rather than waste my time taking out a few of them before they reach them. then i can sit back and watch from 400m as a squad rolls over them over and over again because they suck more than they might realize without that unknown sniper that takes out part or all of the enemy coming for them. front line think snipers are easy mode because we don't run and gun mindlessly. they should make the game where we have 1 life per game so everyone plays to stay alive and then maybe we can get rid of the mindless run and gun tactics the front line mercs play.

sniper radios to front line merc your screwed. front line merc says why? Sniper says becasue you are all alone and the enemy is coming for you and im going to sit here and watch them kill you and after that i will kill them. lol. Now I like those tactics. I play my game and I dont care about a team that dont care about me.

your more useless then the snipers, only thing I hate more then snipers are people that are actively being a detriment to the team as opposed to passively being a detriment.

+1 sir. Today I watched a TM running from a squad. He turns a corner and prepares to meet his clone maker and then he witnesses a sniper at there best. As each one of the enemy squad rounds the corner I down them. By the third drop the others give up the chase and leave. To that player I was watching your backside and you are welcome because 5 vs, 1 was not a fair fight. So I evened the odds a bit. You may have not know who I was but a blue is a blue and a red is dead

Well, this just shows that sniping is too easy.
Snipers need weapon ballistics (drop off, travel time).

You're unable to complete a gramerically correct sentence. If it had been 1 or 2, I wouldn't have noticed. But 5? It was a small 60 second detour to express my displeasure.

All of the people who dislike redline play and suggest solutions to it seem to forget the whole point of the redline. The redline is there to prevent spawn camping and base-****ing. If you remove the redline or de-incentivize redline play, then the people who get forced into the redline by a vastly superior team will just have that much more to contend with. Instead, ask yourselves this: when was the last time a player in the redline proved to be a meaningful contributor to his own team? It's a cautious playstyle made for people who don't want to risk, similar things exist in Eve and are vital to the health of the player base. I suspect the problem will largely vanish when PVE is introduced as it will fill that niche. In the mean time, just grin and bear it.

Millions of years in the future

where there are immortals

our snipers still have bullet drop...


waaaaaiit wut?

When's the last time anyone say snipers in the top three of a team, out of curiosity?

If you have all SP invested into sniper you are an idiot (I can snipe just as effectively/or even more with 0 training and MLT gear)

Nova Knifers get A TON of hacks. They are constantly behind the red line. They take out forge gunners, guys at installation la and... Snipers l. When they aren't doing that, they are putting down uplinks, capturing points, supply depots, CRU's and installations, some even put down remote explosives and proximity mines.

A good Nova Knifer is worth 30 snipers in my opinion. They may not get a lot of kills, but they play the objective like no one else.

the reason I hate snipers is because most snipers are exactly what you mention "people need a place to farm", they aren't trying to play the game, most snipers are just farming kdr.

sadly I am of the variety of player that when they play a game they intend to win, I just don't enjoy playing games of 16 versus 4 with 12 guys in the redline, it's not enjoyable to anyone but them, since your argument is that I shouldn't hate snipers because they are playing the game their way, my argument of wanting to play the game my way is equally valid.

Let me see.....it says in the description that it uses RAILGUN TECHNOLOGY to fire a flechette 2500m. Pretty sure that means zero bullet drop off. Otherwise you may just be defying physics a wee bit.

Get over it. Snipers can kick your arse as can a variety of things in the game like mass drivers, tanks, murder taxis, remote explosives, etc. Everything has a use and will always get abuse/d.

Quit crying and get playing. Its a game for **** sake lol!

what if CCP took out the mointains LOLS NO MOUNTAIN NO SNIPER

what if CCP took out the mointains LOLS NO MOUNTAIN NO SNIPER

Well, this just shows that sniping is too easy.
Snipers need weapon ballistics (drop off, travel time).

I still spawn camp them while they are at the red line. I have all the spawn locations memorized. Some maps its uber easy to spawn camp , others not so much.

Ok so opinions do count, but ya cant really take into account a "good" Nova Knifer and not take into account a "good" Sniper .

A good sniper who understands angles on the battlefield can be no where near an objective, but yet lock down that objective single handedly... going (6-0) in a skirmish is worth more than (15-2) if those 6 kills were against all hackers and his team was able to keep Objective C from being hacked all game...but because noone is really able to see the types of kills a sniper gets, the perception that we are useless goes overboard....I can't count how many times I have saved a teammate of mine from being killed because he wasnt aware of who was behind him, but of course he would never know that.....

even better....saving a noob scout from a heavy suit, cuz he wants to take him on thinking the strafing mechanics will help him lol

Woah the hostility!

I was saying that in favor of snipers, not against.