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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
707
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Posted - 2013.08.11 14:37:00 -
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robot is a troll, stop answering him like his opinion matters.
most snipers are a waste of team slots, some seem to be learning the tricks of the trade in how to be useful to the team and for taht I am glad, but the ratio of garbage snipers to good sniper is horribly skewed. |
DeadlyAztec11
Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo
1829
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Posted - 2013.08.11 16:07:00 -
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broonfondle majikthies wrote:Crow Splat wrote:broonfondle majikthies wrote:Part of the problem is you cant exactly vet all the players entering. If half your team are dedicated snipers what can they do? Its what they train in and spec for. They might be able to capture a point but they don't have the gear to hold it What? So I'm only allowed to spend points in one playstyle? Man I've been breaking rules. Seriously though, if all your points are in sniping then you're either a newbie, note this is different than n00b, or just bad. I don't even have 8 million sp and I can make a decent cqb fit if my team already has enough snipers. Snipers, stop being bad and spend sp in something else. Help your team out a little. By all means no, do whatever you want. I'm saying that most of us specialise in certain weapons and armour. Where's the fun in playing a loadout for something your not interested in. It is a game after all Nova knifers are not exactly in high demand but I've certainly been killed by a couple that demand respect (one was like I was fighting a f***ing Predator!) Should they be made to march on the front line and capture points while under enemy fire? Nova Knifers get A TON of hacks. They are constantly behind the red line. They take out forge gunners, guys at installation la and... Snipers l. When they aren't doing that, they are putting down uplinks, capturing points, supply depots, CRU's and installations, some even put down remote explosives and proximity mines.
A good Nova Knifer is worth 30 snipers in my opinion. They may not get a lot of kills, but they play the objective like no one else. |
Acezero 44
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
135
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Posted - 2013.08.11 16:14:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:robot is a troll, stop answering him like his opinion matters.
most snipers are a waste of team slots, some seem to be learning the tricks of the trade in how to be useful to the team and for taht I am glad, but the ratio of garbage snipers to good sniper is horribly skewed.
your bias pos of a response is no better,.
There is a lot of players coming to Dust to build characters to use in a MMO, If someone wants to sit back an relax then all the power to them.
I dont see dust pubs as a place to be serious about winning, the Pubs is a place to farm SP,. thats it, period,. nuff said,.
The sooner people understand this is not some try hard FPS the better, people need a place to farm, people need PVE, and tryhards need arena PVP or ranked matchs.
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ADP Silenced
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2013.08.12 18:36:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:[quote=broonfondle majikthies][quote=Crow Splat][quote=broonfondle majikthies] A good Nova Knifer is worth 30 snipers in my opinion. They may not get a lot of kills, but they play the objective like no one else.
Ok so opinions do count, but ya cant really take into account a "good" Nova Knifer and not take into account a "good" Sniper .
A good sniper who understands angles on the battlefield can be no where near an objective, but yet lock down that objective single handedly... going (6-0) in a skirmish is worth more than (15-2) if those 6 kills were against all hackers and his team was able to keep Objective C from being hacked all game...but because noone is really able to see the types of kills a sniper gets, the perception that we are useless goes overboard....I can't count how many times I have saved a teammate of mine from being killed because he wasnt aware of who was behind him, but of course he would never know that.. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
710
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Posted - 2013.08.12 18:45:00 -
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Acezero 44 wrote:calisk galern wrote:robot is a troll, stop answering him like his opinion matters.
most snipers are a waste of team slots, some seem to be learning the tricks of the trade in how to be useful to the team and for taht I am glad, but the ratio of garbage snipers to good sniper is horribly skewed. your bias pos of a response is no better,. There is a lot of players coming to Dust to build characters to use in a MMO, If someone wants to sit back an relax then all the power to them. I dont see dust pubs as a place to be serious about winning, the Pubs is a place to farm SP,. thats it, period,. nuff said,. The sooner people understand this is not some try hard FPS the better, people need a place to farm, people need PVE, and tryhards need arena PVP or ranked matchs.
meh, I do indeed hate sniper on my team.
don't think any of them should stop being snipers, I just hate them on my team.
the reason I hate snipers is because most snipers are exactly what you mention "people need a place to farm", they aren't trying to play the game, most snipers are just farming kdr.
sadly I am of the variety of player that when they play a game they intend to win, I just don't enjoy playing games of 16 versus 4 with 12 guys in the redline, it's not enjoyable to anyone but them, since your argument is that I shouldn't hate snipers because they are playing the game their way, my argument of wanting to play the game my way is equally valid. |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
89
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:03:00 -
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ppl go sniper mode when they get pushed in red zone and winning or losing doesnt matter in Dust514 |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
58
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:17:00 -
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I've won some games depleting the enemy clones thanks to redline snipers.
Anyways, I'm a tanker, I don't care for snipers at all. Neither for the ones in my team, nor for the enemy snipers. |
Lillica Deathdealer
Mango and Friends
89
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:20:00 -
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No, sniping is not too easy. Notice how few people die to these guys, considering theres 5+ snipers watching you? They just waste time, really. If anythings too easy AND powerful its the AR. |
Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
163
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:26:00 -
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This thread is more boring than sitting in one place for extended periods of time. |
ratamaq doc
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
41
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Posted - 2013.08.12 20:31:00 -
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Derek Maple wrote:Stop hiding in the mountains and take control of the points!
I would never expect snipers if the entirely team is losing when all points are captured and are losing terribly!
I think it should be clear to the other team that they wouldn't be credit if the team loses to the point where snipers are looking for target practice, go play an ambush match if you are looking for target practice!
It's funny but I would say that if I'm playing Skirmish because I want to take control of points and win, I would expect people to take over points and hold those points or to re-capture those points and to get help the team. Not camp and wait for the magic to have the tide change and have the other members of the team getting killed or trying to find ways to take control of the points!
Not only that, I also think they're losing because there like 6 to 8 players (half of the entire team) who are being snipers!, What's the point of entering a skirmish match then?
... and I do think people are abusing it. It's simple, take over the points and win the match!
I leave this here if you guys would like an idea of how to fix the situation.
http://youtu.be/DyII0o2N13A |
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calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
711
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:54:00 -
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ratamaq doc wrote:Derek Maple wrote:Stop hiding in the mountains and take control of the points!
I would never expect snipers if the entirely team is losing when all points are captured and are losing terribly!
I think it should be clear to the other team that they wouldn't be credit if the team loses to the point where snipers are looking for target practice, go play an ambush match if you are looking for target practice!
It's funny but I would say that if I'm playing Skirmish because I want to take control of points and win, I would expect people to take over points and hold those points or to re-capture those points and to get help the team. Not camp and wait for the magic to have the tide change and have the other members of the team getting killed or trying to find ways to take control of the points!
Not only that, I also think they're losing because there like 6 to 8 players (half of the entire team) who are being snipers!, What's the point of entering a skirmish match then?
... and I do think people are abusing it. It's simple, take over the points and win the match! I leave this here if you guys would like an idea of how to fix the situation. http://youtu.be/DyII0o2N13A
your more useless then the snipers, only thing I hate more then snipers are people that are actively being a detriment to the team as opposed to passively being a detriment.
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Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
166
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:07:00 -
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LOL sorry I watched it twice. Just funny seeing all three dudes right there like that AND how the one guy switches to his side arm to shoot you like it will be anymore effective in fending you off lol. |
DeadlyAztec11
Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo
1846
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:42:00 -
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ADP Silenced wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:[quote=broonfondle majikthies][quote=Crow Splat][quote=broonfondle majikthies] A good Nova Knifer is worth 30 snipers in my opinion. They may not get a lot of kills, but they play the objective like no one else. Ok so opinions do count, but ya cant really take into account a "good" Nova Knifer and not take into account a "good" Sniper . A good sniper who understands angles on the battlefield can be no where near an objective, but yet lock down that objective single handedly... going (6-0) in a skirmish is worth more than (15-2) if those 6 kills were against all hackers and his team was able to keep Objective C from being hacked all game...but because noone is really able to see the types of kills a sniper gets, the perception that we are useless goes overboard....I can't count how many times I have saved a teammate of mine from being killed because he wasnt aware of who was behind him, but of course he would never know that..... even better....saving a noob scout from a heavy suit, cuz he wants to take him on thinking the strafing mechanics will help him lol And I understand and value that. Though, with a Nova Knifer, I know I am getting a guy that is going to be amazingly aggressive like me. He is going to go behind the enemy lines and help me take objectives. I just usually find they are more useful when I fund a good one. Though, a good Nova Knifer is even more rare than a good Sniper. |
Quil Evrything
U.N.S.C. secter V
0
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:05:00 -
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You might call me a "Sniper in training". Given my experience so far, my jaw drops with all the whining about "snipers have it so easy, wah wah wah".
First off... the crouch thing. These days, it's hard to get a good hit, even when you ARE crouched. Most enemies these days seem to be jumping around more than grasshoppers in an electrified cage :-} This, is actually semi-realistic. Real combat training always tells frontline troups "avoid moving in straight lines", because of the snipers out there.
About the only critters that arent jumping around... are other snipers
Which leads me to my second experience: when I started, I died. **a lot**. Sometimes even before getting to take a single shot, whether I hit someone or not. Finding a good sniping position takes a decent amount of training. Both to find one that won't get you killed, AND with an angle that is actually useful.
Then there's the whole "magical assault rifle" factor. I have often found myself getting one-shotted.. while moving... by an assault rifle. At 100 meters, by a guy who is chasing me. Say WHAT? It's not like those could be headshots, so what's up with that?
When I see that kind of garbage, I feel like, well, whats the point in even learning skills with a precision weapon, if that kind of baloney is going on?
I would have given up, if I didnt really like the idea of a sniper for some reason. So, I kept playing. I kept trying to observe what the sneaky SOBs... I mean, enemy snipers were doing. And, I think I'm starting to get better. Used to be my KDR was 1/4, or 2/8. Now, especially with more investment in stealth gear, it's getting closer to 3/3, or in very rare enemy-newb cases 6/3 (mostly against the "newb sniper teams", lol)
The funny thing is, with my (sad) skill levels, I find the low level sniper rifles to be better for me than the "tactical" ones. So that's another negative. The "fancy" sniper rifles, dont actually benefit me, so I'm stuck with boring low-level stuff.
Final comments:
Frontline skills, are about learning twitch-response skills. Sniping skills are about strategy, and patience. So all the frontline whiners are mostly teens who lack patience and just want the immediate h-t-h immersive experience.
Me, I'm 40. I prefer to put my twitchy-jumpy-compete days beind me |
calvin b
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
252
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:17:00 -
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voidfaction wrote:I just want the ability to add players to a list that makes them a different color when on my team so when im sniping i know who not to help and let the enemy team kill them rather than waste my time taking out a few of them before they reach them. then i can sit back and watch from 400m as a squad rolls over them over and over again because they suck more than they might realize without that unknown sniper that takes out part or all of the enemy coming for them. front line think snipers are easy mode because we don't run and gun mindlessly. they should make the game where we have 1 life per game so everyone plays to stay alive and then maybe we can get rid of the mindless run and gun tactics the front line mercs play.
sniper radios to front line merc your screwed. front line merc says why? Sniper says becasue you are all alone and the enemy is coming for you and im going to sit here and watch them kill you and after that i will kill them. lol. Now I like those tactics. I play my game and I dont care about a team that dont care about me.
+1 sir. Today I watched a TM running from a squad. He turns a corner and prepares to meet his clone maker and then he witnesses a sniper at there best. As each one of the enemy squad rounds the corner I down them. By the third drop the others give up the chase and leave. To that player I was watching your backside and you are welcome because 5 vs, 1 was not a fair fight. So I evened the odds a bit. You may have not know who I was but a blue is a blue and a red is dead
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Quil Evrything
U.N.S.C. secter V
0
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:32:00 -
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Ah, that reminds me: Since communication is really important.. and they havent seen fit to make voice communication work with the playstation eye, Even though the game is supposedly "Move Compatible"!!! ... They should really make it so text chat is actually usable in -game. Even for those people who cant type worth a bean, it would be useful for them to at least receive communications from those of us who can.
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ratamaq doc
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
41
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:53:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:ratamaq doc wrote:Derek Maple wrote:Stop hiding in the mountains and take control of the points!
I would never expect snipers if the entirely team is losing when all points are captured and are losing terribly!
I think it should be clear to the other team that they wouldn't be credit if the team loses to the point where snipers are looking for target practice, go play an ambush match if you are looking for target practice!
It's funny but I would say that if I'm playing Skirmish because I want to take control of points and win, I would expect people to take over points and hold those points or to re-capture those points and to get help the team. Not camp and wait for the magic to have the tide change and have the other members of the team getting killed or trying to find ways to take control of the points!
Not only that, I also think they're losing because there like 6 to 8 players (half of the entire team) who are being snipers!, What's the point of entering a skirmish match then?
... and I do think people are abusing it. It's simple, take over the points and win the match! I leave this here if you guys would like an idea of how to fix the situation. http://youtu.be/DyII0o2N13A your more useless then the snipers, only thing I hate more then snipers are people that are actively being a detriment to the team as opposed to passively being a detriment.
You're unable to complete a gramerically correct sentence. If it had been 1 or 2, I wouldn't have noticed. But 5? It was a small 60 second detour to express my displeasure.
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Ensar Cael
Svartur Bjorn
6
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:29:00 -
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calvin b wrote:voidfaction wrote:I just want the ability to add players to a list that makes them a different color when on my team so when im sniping i know who not to help and let the enemy team kill them rather than waste my time taking out a few of them before they reach them. then i can sit back and watch from 400m as a squad rolls over them over and over again because they suck more than they might realize without that unknown sniper that takes out part or all of the enemy coming for them. front line think snipers are easy mode because we don't run and gun mindlessly. they should make the game where we have 1 life per game so everyone plays to stay alive and then maybe we can get rid of the mindless run and gun tactics the front line mercs play.
sniper radios to front line merc your screwed. front line merc says why? Sniper says becasue you are all alone and the enemy is coming for you and im going to sit here and watch them kill you and after that i will kill them. lol. Now I like those tactics. I play my game and I dont care about a team that dont care about me. +1 sir. Today I watched a TM running from a squad. He turns a corner and prepares to meet his clone maker and then he witnesses a sniper at there best. As each one of the enemy squad rounds the corner I down them. By the third drop the others give up the chase and leave. To that player I was watching your backside and you are welcome because 5 vs, 1 was not a fair fight. So I evened the odds a bit. You may have not know who I was but a blue is a blue and a red is dead
And this folks is EXACTLY what a good sniper is/ does. Respect sir! |
hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
245
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:32:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Well, this just shows that sniping is too easy. Snipers need weapon ballistics (drop off, travel time). Millions of years in the future
where there are immortals
our snipers still have bullet drop...
waaaaaiit wut? |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
799
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:53:00 -
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ratamaq doc wrote:calisk galern wrote:ratamaq doc wrote:Derek Maple wrote:Stop hiding in the mountains and take control of the points!
I would never expect snipers if the entirely team is losing when all points are captured and are losing terribly!
I think it should be clear to the other team that they wouldn't be credit if the team loses to the point where snipers are looking for target practice, go play an ambush match if you are looking for target practice!
It's funny but I would say that if I'm playing Skirmish because I want to take control of points and win, I would expect people to take over points and hold those points or to re-capture those points and to get help the team. Not camp and wait for the magic to have the tide change and have the other members of the team getting killed or trying to find ways to take control of the points!
Not only that, I also think they're losing because there like 6 to 8 players (half of the entire team) who are being snipers!, What's the point of entering a skirmish match then?
... and I do think people are abusing it. It's simple, take over the points and win the match! I leave this here if you guys would like an idea of how to fix the situation. http://youtu.be/DyII0o2N13A your more useless then the snipers, only thing I hate more then snipers are people that are actively being a detriment to the team as opposed to passively being a detriment. You're unable to complete a gramerically correct sentence. If it had been 1 or 2, I wouldn't have noticed. But 5? It was a small 60 second detour to express my displeasure.
I apologize, my grammar is pretty poor when it comes to forums, I generally just don't give a **** so I never proof read or fix the mistakes even after seeing them when I'm done.
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General John Ripper
The Generals EoN.
2053
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:57:00 -
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Abby Invo wrote:All of the people who dislike redline play and suggest solutions to it seem to forget the whole point of the redline. The redline is there to prevent spawn camping and base-****ing. If you remove the redline or de-incentivize redline play, then the people who get forced into the redline by a vastly superior team will just have that much more to contend with. Instead, ask yourselves this: when was the last time a player in the redline proved to be a meaningful contributor to his own team? It's a cautious playstyle made for people who don't want to risk, similar things exist in Eve and are vital to the health of the player base. I suspect the problem will largely vanish when PVE is introduced as it will fill that niche. In the mean time, just grin and bear it.
I still spawn camp them while they are at the red line. I have all the spawn locations memorized. Some maps its uber easy to spawn camp , others not so much. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5934
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:59:00 -
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Why bother losing ISK or KD when you know your team is getting curb stomped?
I always put up a fight regardless, but I like insurmountable odds. Most people use their brains. |
Csikszent Mihalyi
DUST University Ivy League
87
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:05:00 -
[83] - Quote
It's just part of the escalating chain that leads to the ridiculously one-sided matches. The losing teams switches to cheap gear, goes AFK, snipes in the mountains...
Trying to appeal to people's sense of honour is pointless, it's something that has to be tackled with in-game incentives and balancing mechanisms. The match-making in 1.4 would have to be incredibly awesome to put a stop to this... I hope it is. |
Ensar Cael
Svartur Bjorn
6
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:19:00 -
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hackerzilla wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Well, this just shows that sniping is too easy. Snipers need weapon ballistics (drop off, travel time). Millions of years in the future where there are immortals our snipers still have bullet drop... waaaaaiit wut?
Let me see.....it says in the description that it uses RAILGUN TECHNOLOGY to fire a flechette 2500m. Pretty sure that means zero bullet drop off. Otherwise you may just be defying physics a wee bit.
Get over it. Snipers can kick your arse as can a variety of things in the game like mass drivers, tanks, murder taxis, remote explosives, etc. Everything has a use and will always get abuse/d.
Quit crying and get playing. Its a game for **** sake lol! |
lrian Locust
DUST University Ivy League
34
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:20:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:When's the last time anyone say snipers in the top three of a team, out of curiosity?
Daily. Me!
But yes, there's snipers and there's Snipers! Redlining doesn't do anything for the team and towards winning objectives. And you're a sitting duck for countersniping. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
802
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:32:00 -
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yep I top team a lot every day.
imo it's the result of front liners being completely useless. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
201
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:44:00 -
[87] - Quote
As a sniper I agree, there is an issue about redline sniping. However if you haven't noticed, this issue tends to arise when one team is getting absolutely dummied. I played a match and I got redlined, switched to a cheap assault fit and went behind the enemy and hacked objectives. Then in another match, my team redlined the other team and they all started to snipe. S what did I do? I switched to a cheap assault fit and did hit and run inside their redzone.
My point is: if the other team wants to do a bunch of sniping then let them. If you don't want to be on a team full of snipers than get a squad that doesn't have a bunch of snipers in it and play. |
lrian Locust
DUST University Ivy League
35
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:46:00 -
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Robocop Junior wrote:If you have all SP invested into sniper you are an idiot (I can snipe just as effectively/or even more with 0 training and MLT gear)
Hmm... Maxed out, my sniper rifle does 2.5x the amount of damage as your MLT sniper rifle. But sure, you can do much better than al those specialized snipers out there. You know best about sniping, even though you didn't spend any SP or ISK in it.
Sure... |
captain erection
RhymeSayers
4
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:48:00 -
[89] - Quote
hold the goat!
is this a sniper gripe post by a vagina bean that rolls PUB matches in proto gear with their corporate squad whilst using a mass driver because they cant get a higher k 2 d ratio?
well sir. may you never be able to farm better k/d ratios than 49/0. |
lrian Locust
DUST University Ivy League
36
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Posted - 2013.08.27 18:50:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Nova Knifers get A TON of hacks. They are constantly behind the red line. They take out forge gunners, guys at installation la and... Snipers l. When they aren't doing that, they are putting down uplinks, capturing points, supply depots, CRU's and installations, some even put down remote explosives and proximity mines.
A good Nova Knifer is worth 30 snipers in my opinion. They may not get a lot of kills, but they play the objective like no one else. Funny, that's just what I'm doing as a sniper scout. I'm safe to say I'm responsible for at east 7 captures and 8 uplinks each game. |
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