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Derek Maple
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:35:00 -
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Stop hiding in the mountains and take control of the points!
I would never expect snipers if the entirely team is losing when all points are captured and are losing terribly!
... and I would say that if someone on the winning team regardless of performance, it would be clear to the other team that they wouldn't be credit if the team loses to the point where snipers are looking for target practice, go play an ambush match if you are looking for target practice!
It's funny but I would say that if I'm playing Skirmish because I want to take control of points and win, I would expect people to take over points and hold those points or to re-capture those points and to get help the team. Not camp and wait for the magic to have the tide change and have the other members of the team getting killed or trying to find ways to take control of the points!
Not only that, I also think they're losing because there like 6 to 8 players (half of the entire team) who are being snipers!, What's the point of entering a skirmish match then?
... and I do think people are abusing it. It's simple, take over the points and win the match! |
Cat Merc
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
3584
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:45:00 -
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Well, this just shows that sniping is too easy.
Snipers need weapon ballistics (drop off, travel time). |
Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
19
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:48:00 -
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And people care about their KDR more than winning/trying to win. |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
929
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:48:00 -
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This shows that the game does not reward winning or losing UNLESS it is a PC battle.
Currently the game rewards you with WP and gives very little extra incentive to actually "win" a match. |
Vulcanus Lightbringer
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:48:00 -
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It probably has nothing to do with the other team having at least one squad full of people from the same corp in PRO gear... |
broonfondle majikthies
P.O.N.A.G.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
48
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:49:00 -
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Part of the problem is you cant exactly vet all the players entering. If half your team are dedicated snipers what can they do? Its what they train in and spec for. They might be able to capture a point but they don't have the gear to hold it |
Duck Drahko
DUST University
Ivy League
81
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:52:00 -
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It recently occurred to me, that a lot of problems are going to disappear if you simply don't give any payout for time that is spent within the redline. This will instantly cure all AFKers and significantly reduce the incentive for redline snipers. Incredibly low-hanging fruit if you ask me.
Edit: Of course this doesn't stop the problem of people hiding the the mountains elsewhere... |
Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
19
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:01:00 -
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Sniping is EZ mode and needs ballistics like cat merc said. Crouching is for noobs anyway real clones jump snipe:D |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
929
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:03:00 -
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When's the last time anyone say snipers in the top three of a team, out of curiosity?
Low risk low rewards. |
one 1986
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:11:00 -
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Top three alto of the time and in the winning team too. Stop heating ppl for playing a game how they want to |
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DR88VIPER Starrunner
Neanderthal Nation
5
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:13:00 -
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I think it would be a good idea to add points for destroying uplinks and nano's also to encourage ppl to actually take part in covering the map. And then maybe separate kill and kill assist point from hack and destroyed gear and team resupply etc and reward them more so again ppl wil be encouraged to be more proactive, which in term i think will lead to way more competitive team play and use of uplinks/nano's.
Im not saying to NOT reward the great killers out there but spamming a mass driver followed by a flaylock and ending up on the scoreboard is something imo should not be rewarded. But that's probably hard to work out. For now it would be good to see more incentive to just go in and work as a team. |
Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
19
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:14:00 -
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It is actually low risk high rewards because if you are intelligent enough to keep moving you wont die and smart snipers use less cost worthy suits so it is all profit it is a tiny step above AFKing but not by much. |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
369
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:19:00 -
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What's the incentive to win? |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1465
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:20:00 -
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This is why the red zone needs to be hit with orbitals at random intervals as long as your team holds at least one objective |
Paladin Sas
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
89
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:21:00 -
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i need enemy snipers so i can practice my long range plasma cannon shots |
Poonmunch
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc.
Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
165
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:30:00 -
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Derek Maple wrote:Stop hiding in the mountains and take control of the points!
I would never expect snipers if the entirely team is losing when all points are captured and are losing terribly!
I think it should be clear to the other team that they wouldn't be credit if the team loses to the point where snipers are looking for target practice, go play an ambush match if you are looking for target practice!
It's funny but I would say that if I'm playing Skirmish because I want to take control of points and win, I would expect people to take over points and hold those points or to re-capture those points and to get help the team. Not camp and wait for the magic to have the tide change and have the other members of the team getting killed or trying to find ways to take control of the points!
Not only that, I also think they're losing because there like 6 to 8 players (half of the entire team) who are being snipers!, What's the point of entering a skirmish match then?
... and I do think people are abusing it. It's simple, take over the points and win the match!
As a dedicated sniper I heartily agree.
We can do a ton of good hacking points when the fighting is raging someplace else. Plus we get points.
The other team will have to come back to re-hack it (and we can snipe their asses) or their MCCs will get shot up.
Hacking CRUs is also a good way to help the infantry redline the bad guys.
You might lose a clone or two but the risk is well worth the reward.
Munch
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Reefersmokintaz
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
61
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:45:00 -
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I snipe but I am still making up for the ISK bug... No, I do not play that much and it took me a LONG time to get where I am with sniping. I still need some more ISK to ensure me on the battlefield as a grunt. PRO weapons and ADV assault suits are not cheap lol
As stated, low risk, low rewards. I also love sniping and I get up to one of the points and snipe around it and if it gets hacked, switch to my sidearm and go rehack it. I'm fitted with all light weapon damage mods so I'm easy to kill... I also love my Carthum Assault Scrambler Rifle  |
Phantom Vaxer
The Generals
EoN.
55
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:46:00 -
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Well when I go in games solo and get matched with a bunch of dumbass blueberries who lose EVERYTHING even when they are not camping and Im the only one who did anything I sit back, snipe, and at least get some points while I can instead of trying to capture a point where 5 guys are guarding... |
BARDAS
DUST University
Ivy League
236
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:56:00 -
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Would be funny to see an entire team full of snipers marching in unison brandishing their Sniper Rifles like old-world musketts. Form lines! Aim! Fire! *Boom* |
Abby Invo
muse.and.fury
22
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:11:00 -
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All of the people who dislike redline play and suggest solutions to it seem to forget the whole point of the redline. The redline is there to prevent spawn camping and base-****ing. If you remove the redline or de-incentivize redline play, then the people who get forced into the redline by a vastly superior team will just have that much more to contend with. Instead, ask yourselves this: when was the last time a player in the redline proved to be a meaningful contributor to his own team? It's a cautious playstyle made for people who don't want to risk, similar things exist in Eve and are vital to the health of the player base. I suspect the problem will largely vanish when PVE is introduced as it will fill that niche. In the mean time, just grin and bear it. |
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Mary Sedillo
Seraphim Outlawz
188
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:18:00 -
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Derek Maple wrote:Stop hiding in the mountains and take control of the points!
I would never expect snipers if the entirely team is losing when all points are captured and are losing terribly!
I think it should be clear to the other team that they wouldn't be credit if the team loses to the point where snipers are looking for target practice, go play an ambush match if you are looking for target practice!
It's funny but I would say that if I'm playing Skirmish because I want to take control of points and win, I would expect people to take over points and hold those points or to re-capture those points and to get help the team. Not camp and wait for the magic to have the tide change and have the other members of the team getting killed or trying to find ways to take control of the points!
Not only that, I also think they're losing because there like 6 to 8 players (half of the entire team) who are being snipers!, What's the point of entering a skirmish match then?
... and I do think people are abusing it. It's simple, take over the points and win the match!
I am no sniper, but I look at it like this.
The sniper doesn't OWE anyone anything. This is what he or she has trained for.
-Is the other team steamrolling?-
If YES, then sniping is an attempt to still 'participate' while limiting the losses they have accrued. Being redlined is tough.
They don't owe you a constant stream of their deaths.
Trying to penalize people for wanting to participate rather than completely AFK.
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itsmellslikefish
DIOS X. II
Top Men.
149
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:41:00 -
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Crybaby.
-Love, a sniper. |
Crow Splat
DUST University
Ivy League
71
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:53:00 -
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broonfondle majikthies wrote:Part of the problem is you cant exactly vet all the players entering. If half your team are dedicated snipers what can they do? Its what they train in and spec for. They might be able to capture a point but they don't have the gear to hold it
What? So I'm only allowed to spend points in one playstyle? Man I've been breaking rules.
Seriously though, if all your points are in sniping then you're either a newbie, note this is different than n00b, or just bad. I don't even have 8 million sp and I can make a decent cqb fit if my team already has enough snipers.
Snipers, stop being bad and spend sp in something else. Help your team out a little. |
Beren Hurin
K-A-O-S theory
828
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:58:00 -
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I've recently been doing a poll of snipers on my team if they have open spots on their squad. Generally, they are new, afraid to die, think that their KDR is really important for getting into good corps, but at the same time they are proud about how "they don't take the game as seriously as 'tryhards' and are 'just playing for fun'.
...Then I try to convince them that there are much more fun things than sniping and that you can make isk doing other things. Then they call me a tryhard at that point and block me. |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
930
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Posted - 2013.07.26 23:00:00 -
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What if they genuinely like to snipe more then anything else and spent most of their points into it?
As was previously mentioned, you can't help imbalances where one team has more snipers then usual, and sometimes you get goofy things like nine snipers on one team. |
soulreaper73
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
182
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Posted - 2013.07.26 23:01:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Well, this just shows that sniping is too easy.
Snipers need weapon ballistics (drop off, travel time).
BF3 snipers have to deal with bullet drop and travel time, snipers are less annoying on that game but most of them are still pretty useless unless they are spotting for their squad. Alas most dont so I feel ya CatMerc.
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Eklipsch
Raven Accord
Black Core Alliance
5
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Posted - 2013.07.26 23:09:00 -
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If your on a team of directionless newberrys, might as well let the mcc get destoyed fast and move on to the next one. Wasting isk drawing out the hopeless action. I used to run in there and one man army, but that tactic just don't work anymore. Pointless.
I will go after soft targets to hack or sit on a cannon and shoot things. I used to like sniping but now I hate it. |
gandalgrey
STRONG-ARMED BANDITS
75
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Posted - 2013.07.26 23:25:00 -
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Im a sniper through and through I dont care bout my kdr at all I think sniping is more challenging than being on the front at times cos I actually have to time my shot (unless some dumbass decides to stand still to long) where as with an ar or hmg u just point and spray so personally I find there is more skill to sniping, and a good sniper will not stay in the same spot to long and I always try to run in a squad so I caan be there eyes in the sky and spot incoming threats, which another big part of being a good sniper. |
Duck Drahko
DUST University
Ivy League
85
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Posted - 2013.07.26 23:55:00 -
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Abby Invo wrote:All of the people who dislike redline play and suggest solutions to it seem to forget the whole point of the redline. The redline is there to prevent spawn camping and base-****ing. If you remove the redline or de-incentivize redline play, then the people who get forced into the redline by a vastly superior team will just have that much more to contend with. Instead, ask yourselves this: when was the last time a player in the redline proved to be a meaningful contributor to his own team? It's a cautious playstyle made for people who don't want to risk, similar things exist in Eve and are vital to the health of the player base. I suspect the problem will largely vanish when PVE is introduced as it will fill that niche. In the mean time, just grin and bear it.
I don't think that's good enough reason to reward camping in your redline. The redline is only useful if it helps you get out of it, and you should at least have an incentive to try.
I know it's harsh and will make pub stomping even harder to bear, but pub stomping is an issue that has to be dealt with either way, and it's not a solution to make being stomped more profitable... |
Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
20
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Posted - 2013.07.26 23:57:00 -
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rofl you have to time your shot....thats real hard to do considering you have all the time in the world and half a map of distance between you and your unknowing target not too mention he is prolly busy in a firefight or actually contributing to the team. There is no such thing as a good sniper or any skill involved in sniping in this game. You went 5/0 with 200 WPs great round sniper. |
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