Nope, you want to spec into a sidearm and run around with it as your primary and secondary weapon. You are stuck with it. Not that hard to figure out how CCP wants to balence the guns and suits. Pretty obvious when something is a bit OP and iis going to get a little nerf. Besides these nerfs aren't even that bad.

How many Eve players have cried for respecs during the entire Tiericide iteration? Y'know, that movement CCP is doing to rework every ship that has ever existed in the game?

This is the line of thinking that I don't understand.

We are supposed to forecast what might be nerfed and choose accordingly.

If nobody uses it, it won't get balanced because there is no data or feedback.

If people use it and it gets balanced (which is what we should want) the people who used it should be punished for it.

Seems like a weird way to look at things.

How many Eve players have cried for respecs during the entire Tiericide iteration? Y'know, that movement CCP is doing to rework every ship that has ever existed in the game?

It's especially important to note that they should only do this for hotfixes, etc. If it's being anticipated and it's announced ahead of time, there should be no respecs.

None.

"Basically, if something gets nerfed, people should get their SP back."

No. That is not sufficient. Re-balancing is not a phase. Any patch update or expansion can have balance adjustments be a part of it.

Wrong, LOTS of Eve players cry for respects or partially refunded SP when significant changes went through. There was the great nano-nerf, there was the mothership HP nerf, there was the moros/mom drone usage nerf. More recently there were nerfs to unscannable ships, heavy missiles, a nerf to falloff, tiericde for the drake and hurricane, changes to drone aggro in missions, and changes to scannable corp hangar arrays. Each and every one of those changes had people asking for partial SP refunds. CCP never granted any, and most Eve players were happy they didn't too!

I dont think there should be respecs, at the same time I do not think there should be major cahnges to weapons, skills and suits unitl all items are added. IMHO this should be the focus. If the other weapons and suits were actually in the game right now one of those may have been able to properly counter the CAl logi, LAVS and Flaylock. Personally I prefer tools to counter rather than nerfs and buffs, thats the easy way out. CCP give us the tools and let us decide how to use them.

The cries for respect could not be justified in EVE because there are so many ships already in the game. Right now in dust we are kind of limited in fits suits and weapons. Thee are plenty of ways to counter in EVE. The constant comparison to EVE just does not fly.

None. What you should be screaming for is better balancing, not respecs. What you should be screaming for is getting racial equality, not respecs.

Abusers will move on, real operators will continue to do well, underappreciated stuff gets useful, creatives will find new ways to play. Nothing should be at the bottom of the barrel, nothing should be at the top either.

Abusers will move on

everyone can see the Laser nerf at least for the proto laser was needed but everyone can also agree the laser has been nerfed to worthlessness.

You are casting a net that captures the innocent as well.

First off people are stupid. I can point to a several instances where i have found pretty idiotic things being written by you on these very forums. Out right lies in some cases. It does not seem unreasonable that people were just stupid when they picked their build....why should they be punished as abusers and pushed out of the game as you imply with your "move on" statement?

Next I know why i chose Galante logi. I wanted to be one of the good guys and my suit looks sexy. I am sure many choose Cal logi and flaylock for similar reasons.

Punishing them, and as you say they will quit, is throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Also players may very well have chosen cal logi with flaylock because of how it plays. They wanted splash damage, they wanted high shields vs what the other racials had....they had no idea it was OP and we have no idea if the nerfs are balanced. everyone can see the Laser nerf at least for the proto laser was needed but everyone can also agree the laser has been nerfed to worthlessness. The cal logi flaylock nerfs are more ambiguous but still it seems a bit extreme to say they need to be punished...when they can simply be given a choice to respec. Should we be cheering on players being pushed from the game on the word that CCP got this nerfing balance right?

I know you are CCPs #1 chearleader but are you seriously that blind to all of CCP past mistakes that for some magical reason you assume CCP got this one change perfectly right that you are willing to sacrifice players defending it?

Lastly we have people using the exploit of being invisible...and every time it is brought up people give the excuse that the player may not know....and therefor should not be punished. I have read the bug report and it seems pretty obvious that in most instances this is not the case. Replicating the invisibility bug takes pretty specific player actions...and it always seems to be the players in the know who are abusing it. Why is a council member wanting to cast such a huge net over the cal logi flaylock users who used a spec that CCP did make and did design purposely into the game and call them abusers who will "move on" yet dismiss and ignore real exploits and real abusers of those exploits?

Why are you beating up on min max players rather then real cheaters?

This is the line of thinking that I don't understand.

We are supposed to forecast what might be nerfed and choose accordingly.

If nobody uses it, it won't get balanced because there is no data or feedback.

If people use it and it gets balanced (which is what we should want) the people who used it should be punished for it.

Seems like a weird way to look at things.

So when the Heavy Laser comes out and it starts melting through shield tanks, dropships, LLAVs and infantry like butter right from the start, you wouldn't want it brought in line until they release the rest of the weapons and suits?

Cause man, that IS gonna happen.