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pegasis prime The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY 604	Posted - 2013.07.26 17:33:00 - [1] - Quote Yip im geting fed up with all these proto avers that think they are the ping pong tiddly with their proto av wepons. We need proto havs to deal with the proto av provlem .
NIGGSWORM The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 22	Posted - 2013.07.26 17:36:00 - [2] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Yip im geting fed up with all these proto avers that think they are the ping pong tiddly with their proto av wepons. We need proto havs to deal with the proto av provlem . I hate when little girls try to act all tough by going against a STD tank with PRO AV... In my mind im like "This fking OP noob"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3157	Posted - 2013.07.26 17:37:00 - [3] - Quote you want people to use a "lose" button against vehicles?
Serimos Haeraven Deep Space Republic Top Men. 294	Posted - 2013.07.26 17:38:00 - [4] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: you want people to use a "lose" button against vehicles? How about a "tie" button? I think we deserve tie buttons. "win button" is (obviously) another word for OP. And in my experience in dealing with proto FG's and how they can sink a shot at me when I have my fuel injector active and am 900 feet above them, there's a clear issue here. Even if FG's have that kind of range, being able to make those shots seems far too easy to so many proto FG's. There should at-least be more sway when they are trying to aim upwards with a heavy weapon that deals thousands of dmg in one shot.
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 1241	Posted - 2013.07.26 17:39:00 - [5] - Quote Oh no - people are using items to do what they are designed to do... However will we live?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5496	Posted - 2013.07.26 17:39:00 - [6] - Quote I kill vehicles with my proto AV strictly to harvest tears. The points and ISK are just icing on the watery cake.
Knightshade Belladonna Neanderthal Nation 692	Posted - 2013.07.26 17:39:00 - [7] - Quote I will make sure next time I see your tank, to pick up rocks and throw them at you instead...oh wait I can't. Fk it, wheres my forge gun
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood 422	Posted - 2013.07.26 17:44:00 - [8] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Yip im geting fed up with all these proto avers that think they are the ping pong tiddly with their proto av wepons. We need proto havs to deal with the proto av provlem . Did someone lose a tank
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 73	Posted - 2013.07.26 17:46:00 - [9] - Quote How about we take tanks away so there is no win button for you guys?
The Attorney General ZionTCD 598	Posted - 2013.07.26 17:50:00 - [10] - Quote Proto AV is not so much OP as it benefits from the really bad rendering problems that are in the game right now. FG's are fine, high damage, low ammo, forced to wear a fatsuit, needs a logi for ammo, etc. Swarms maybe could use some adjustment to the way they track, but only because I have been hit at some ridiculous distances around corners. Clipping through certain objects is a problem as well. Damage wise, maybe a two percent reduction but even then I wouldn't be saying nerf swarms. There needs to be a scrub AV weapon, and the swarms are it for now. The real problem is the render distance. Too many times some scrub with a swarm is able to fire at my tank, and I get neither a visual on the swarms, or the swarmer themselves, which means that I effectively have no counter other than run away. If they were to render, at least I could fight back. Oh, and proto AV grenades would be more balanced if they took longer to refresh from a nanohive. And maybe had slightly higher fitting req's, to enforce a trade off for rolling with an AR and an AV option. Leave the FG alone though, I love ground duels with heavies with the balls to come and take on the tank 1 v 1.

pegasis prime The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY 604	Posted - 2013.07.26 17:51:00 - [11] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: pegasis prime wrote: Yip im geting fed up with all these proto avers that think they are the ping pong tiddly with their proto av wepons. We need proto havs to deal with the proto av provlem . Did someone lose a tank Yip proto av is op enough but combind with team work its f@#king op this leaves us with 3 options 1 nerf proto av (bad idea) 2 nerf team work ( worse idea) 3 introduce proto havs ( boom great f#@king idea).
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2831	Posted - 2013.07.26 17:51:00 - [12] - Quote This things applicable to current AV/vehicle balance as well https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97101&find=unread
BrownEye1129 SVER True Blood 14	Posted - 2013.07.26 17:52:00 - [13] - Quote Fine I'll just grab my militia gear and chase you the entire match. That way you can kill me a dozen times and I can get on the forums and cry. Don't understand why you don't have infantry kill the AV.......that's right you vehicle guys believe you should be indestructible. Requiring a Squad of 6 communicating to take you down. Beef up the vehicles IDC just as long as my FG flips your ass upside down.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1280	Posted - 2013.07.26 17:55:00 - [14] - Quote BrownEye1129 wrote: Fine I'll just grab my militia gear and chase you the entire match. That way you can kill me a dozen times and I can get on the forums and cry. Don't understand why you don't have infantry kill the AV.......that's right you vehicle guys believe you should be indestructible. Requiring a Squad of 6 communicating to take you down. Beef up the vehicles IDC just as long as my FG flips your ass upside down. Please can you tell me how you mind control infantry to kill AVers? I would really like to know this.
pegasis prime The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY 604	Posted - 2013.07.26 17:55:00 - [15] - Quote Havs are not ment to ve solod by 1 merc it is supposed to tskr team work not a one man proto rambo.
BrownEye1129 SVER True Blood 16	Posted - 2013.07.26 17:58:00 - [16] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: BrownEye1129 wrote: Fine I'll just grab my militia gear and chase you the entire match. That way you can kill me a dozen times and I can get on the forums and cry. Don't understand why you don't have infantry kill the AV.......that's right you vehicle guys believe you should be indestructible. Requiring a Squad of 6 communicating to take you down. Beef up the vehicles IDC just as long as my FG flips your ass upside down. Please can you tell me how you mind control infantry to kill AVers? I would really like to know this. Sure thing, first get on coms. Second ask your squadmates to take out AV.
Full Metal Kitten Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 841	Posted - 2013.07.26 17:58:00 - [17] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Yip im geting fed up with all these proto avers that think they are the ping pong tiddly with their proto av wepons. We need proto havs to deal with the proto av provlem . Are you kitten serious? What about proto infantry stomps? This is not a unique problem for tankers. As an AV specialist with proto swarms, I will tell you I try to match my gear to the situation. It's cost effective, and makes for an enjoyable fight. Same goes for my infantry load outs. You know whose ruining it for you? LLAV drivers. When you have clown cars tougher than good tanks trolling the battlefield, you're gonna get my proto AV to the face. I don't have time to hit a supply depot and downgrade my gear for your militia tank. Lol
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2831	Posted - 2013.07.26 17:58:00 - [18] - Quote BrownEye1129 wrote: Fine I'll just grab my militia gear and chase you the entire match. That way you can kill me a dozen times and I can get on the forums and cry. Don't understand why you don't have infantry kill the AV.......that's right you vehicle guys believe you should be indestructible. Requiring a Squad of 6 communicating to take you down. Beef up the vehicles IDC just as long as my FG flips your ass upside down. Oh I'm sorry, but how is the infantry supposed to kill the forge gunner in the redline? Or the one on top of the freaking tower?
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 532	Posted - 2013.07.26 18:01:00 - [19] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Havs are not ment to ve solod by 1 merc it is supposed to tskr team work not a one man proto rambo. Says a fellow wvo just yesterday went 9/0 (boo, bad) topping the leaderboard.
The Attorney General ZionTCD 599	Posted - 2013.07.26 18:05:00 - [20] - Quote gbghg wrote: Oh I'm sorry, but how is the infantry supposed to kill the forge gunner in the redline? Or the one on top of the freaking tower? FG in the redline, just back up. FG on a rooftop is much more difficult, especially if you don't have a sniper to supress him long enough to try and get a dropship with infantry up to them. Even that is normally a death sentence, as we all know how soft dropships are. A good rooftop heavy packs AV grenades for just that purpose. Would be really nice if there was a way to get up on those towers without having to use a dropship, as then infantry could scale up to try and put work in.

Medical Crash Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 29	Posted - 2013.07.26 18:05:00 - [21] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Havs are not ment to ve solod by 1 merc it is supposed to tskr team work not a one man proto rambo. Let's say you don't feel like joining a squad, do you know how mental some of these pub randoms are? I swear ONE enemy tank starts killing and my team starts going haywire like chickens with their heads cut off. Do ANY of them pull out even militia AV? No, of course not. Every ******* match I have to set up auxiliary Uplinks on the outskirts of the map with 2 NanoHives placed apart as reserve ammo. Have to die then pop back with my Proto Breach ForgeGun. I can never play Medic anymore....The **** tanks pop in on pubs every ***** round. CCP needs to introduce non-vehicle game modes already. Let the tankers kill each other off.
BrownEye1129 SVER True Blood 16	Posted - 2013.07.26 18:08:00 - [22] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Havs are not ment to ve solod by 1 merc it is supposed to tskr team work not a one man proto rambo. Agreed 2 guys maybe 3 should have to team up on HAVs. But if that was the case then everyone would be pub stomping with HAVs. One man speced into AV should be enough to extremely weaken a HAV to the point it runs. Nades you got to get close enough the tank should see you. FG don't let a fat ass walk up on you they are slow after all. A good sniper would be able to keep them at bay. Swarms.....easy enough to avoid.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 532	Posted - 2013.07.26 18:09:00 - [23] - Quote Btw, how much should havs survive? Yesterday we dropped 2 orbitals on 3 tank bunch and they sur ived. 2. Precision. Strike.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 359	Posted - 2013.07.26 18:11:00 - [24] - Quote We also need a kick passenger button, rooftops not walkable and a heavy price reduction but i guess we will ask again this things for a long long time...... and GTAV will be out XD
pegasis prime The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY 604	Posted - 2013.07.26 18:13:00 - [25] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: pegasis prime wrote: Havs are not ment to ve solod by 1 merc it is supposed to tskr team work not a one man proto rambo. Says a fellow wvo just yesterday went 9/0 (boo, bad) topping the leaderboard. That was a Crap gameif its the one im thinking of 9/0 a low score for when im rail tanking.
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 386	Posted - 2013.07.26 18:23:00 - [26] - Quote You do realize the difference in damage between proto and advanced AV isnt much, right? And its more the skills reducing Forge charge time by 25% and increasing the damage, or in the Swarms case giving you an extra shot per reload that make the difference, not the guns? I hardly ever use my proto AV unless I see a dropship I feel I need to take out in one shot. The difference in 2 shotting or 3 shotting most tanks or LAVs isnt much when my charge time is 1.8 and I can hide behind a wall while I charge.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2831	Posted - 2013.07.26 18:29:00 - [27] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: You do realize the difference in damage between proto and advanced AV isnt much, right? And its more the skills reducing Forge charge time by 25% and increasing the damage, or in the Swarms case giving you an extra shot per reload that make the difference, not the guns? I hardly ever use my proto AV unless I see a dropship I feel I need to take out in one shot. The difference in 2 shotting or 3 shotting most tanks or LAVs isnt much when my charge time is 1.8 and I can hide behind a wall while I charge. The difference may not be much, but it is very much felt on the vehicle end. The skills are a large factor, but the base damage we see on AV weapons are still significant.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 532	Posted - 2013.07.26 18:44:00 - [28] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Repe Susi wrote: pegasis prime wrote: Havs are not ment to ve solod by 1 merc it is supposed to tskr team work not a one man proto rambo. Says a fellow wvo just yesterday went 9/0 (boo, bad) topping the leaderboard. That was a Crap gameif its the one im thinking of 9/0 a low score for when im rail tanking. And yet you still complain? No points for you. I'm not for nerfing the tanks but they seem to be pretty fine as it is. Refer to my earlier post about 2 orbitals.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 927	Posted - 2013.07.26 18:50:00 - [29] - Quote Isn't my proto rail kinda an "I win" button against infantry in just as many situations as proto AV is against my HAV? I have mixed feelings about this... AV vs HAV is a bit more of a complex issue then most people give it credit for.


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