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Spycrab Potato Hold-Your-Fire 155	Posted - 2013.07.25 04:21:00 - [1] - Quote It sucks. And I mean, it's is terrible. Granted, I only tried the standard variant but it was still horrible. I went 1/11 and the only kill I got was a kill steal when someone was pretty much dead already. I normally only die 3 - 4 times a game with my adv suit, but this game I couldn't because I couldn't defend myself when it came to a fire fight. My poor gallente body just flopped on the ground.
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 72	Posted - 2013.07.25 04:22:00 - [2] - Quote Spycrab Potato wrote: It sucks. And I mean, it's is terrible. Granted, I only tried the standard variant but it was still horrible. I went 1/11 and the only kill I got was a kill steal when someone was pretty much dead already. I normally only die 3 - 4 times a game with my adv suit, but this game I couldn't because I couldn't defend myself when it came to a fire fight. My poor gallente body just flopped on the ground. u need to put damage mods on it i hear. and u need an amarr suit for the laser heat reduction bonus.
Spycrab Potato Hold-Your-Fire 155	Posted - 2013.07.25 04:24:00 - [3] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: Spycrab Potato wrote: It sucks. And I mean, it's is terrible. Granted, I only tried the standard variant but it was still horrible. I went 1/11 and the only kill I got was a kill steal when someone was pretty much dead already. I normally only die 3 - 4 times a game with my adv suit, but this game I couldn't because I couldn't defend myself when it came to a fire fight. My poor gallente body just flopped on the ground. u need to put damage mods on it i hear. and u need an amarr suit for the laser heat reduction bonus. On my adv suit I have 2 enhanced damage mods. I use this suit as a base for my Mass Driver, AR, ASCR, and SCR. Mass Driver isn't abbreviated because I love my Mass Driver. Been with it since Chromosone and I'm not leaving it now.
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 72	Posted - 2013.07.25 04:26:00 - [4] - Quote Spycrab Potato wrote: BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: Spycrab Potato wrote: It sucks. And I mean, it's is terrible. Granted, I only tried the standard variant but it was still horrible. I went 1/11 and the only kill I got was a kill steal when someone was pretty much dead already. I normally only die 3 - 4 times a game with my adv suit, but this game I couldn't because I couldn't defend myself when it came to a fire fight. My poor gallente body just flopped on the ground. u need to put damage mods on it i hear. and u need an amarr suit for the laser heat reduction bonus. On my adv suit I have 2 enhanced damage mods. I use this suit as a base for my Mass Driver, AR, ASCR, and SCR. try complex damage mods tht's wat everyone else uses with it. and try heating up the laser before hitting them so u get higher damage. other than tht i'm clueless i use everything but amarr weapons. XD.
KING CHECKMATE A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 421	Posted - 2013.07.25 04:26:00 - [5] - Quote Spycrab Potato wrote: It sucks. And I mean, it's is terrible. Granted, I only tried the standard variant but it was still horrible. I went 1/11 and the only kill I got was a kill steal when someone was pretty much dead already. I normally only die 3 - 4 times a game with my adv suit, but this game I couldn't because I couldn't defend myself when it came to a fire fight. My poor gallente body just flopped on the ground. Not even with DAMAGE mods. THE REAL ISSUE with the laser rifle is that is supposed to be a mid-long range weapon, and it doesn't even have a miserable sight. Lasers USED to have a GOOD sight, BETTER DAMAGE , and still was an underused weapon... Unnecessary nerf anyone... ?
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 9	Posted - 2013.07.25 04:27:00 - [6] - Quote "u need to put damage mods on it i hear. and u need an amarr suit for the laser heat reduction bonus. Qu" ...and a good flaylock/smg and some contact grenades while you're at it! I actually saw a laser on the battlefield last night. I kind of flashed back to Chromosome and immediately dove for cover. Luckily I came to quickly, ducked back around the corner, promptly shot him in the head with my AR. Poor laser boys....
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 107	Posted - 2013.07.25 04:27:00 - [7] - Quote If you invest well over a million SP into them, I hear they stop sucking. Meanwhile, everybody and their deceased hamster can go 10:0 with a militia AR and with zero SP investment.
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 71	Posted - 2013.07.25 04:32:00 - [8] - Quote Spycrab Potato wrote: BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: Spycrab Potato wrote: It sucks. And I mean, it's is terrible. Granted, I only tried the standard variant but it was still horrible. I went 1/11 and the only kill I got was a kill steal when someone was pretty much dead already. I normally only die 3 - 4 times a game with my adv suit, but this game I couldn't because I couldn't defend myself when it came to a fire fight. My poor gallente body just flopped on the ground. u need to put damage mods on it i hear. and u need an amarr suit for the laser heat reduction bonus. On my adv suit I have 2 enhanced damage mods. I use this suit as a base for my Mass Driver, AR, ASCR, and SCR. Mass Driver isn't abbreviated because I love my Mass Driver. Been with it since Chromosone and I'm not leaving it now. LOL damage mods arent worth it until you hit complex.
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 71	Posted - 2013.07.25 04:33:00 - [9] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: If you invest well over a million SP into them, I hear they stop sucking. Meanwhile, everybody and their deceased hamster can go 10:0 with a militia AR and with zero SP investment. The people I know who use militia have prof 5 in assault rifles and have max stamina, shields, armor etc....
Acezero 44 Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 112	Posted - 2013.07.25 04:34:00 - [10] - Quote I made an alt to try the advanced laser in the academy, ONLY laser no side arm. I went negative every game, I was traumatized by it, will be a month or two before I revisit that weapon.

Azura Sakura Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 363	Posted - 2013.07.25 05:05:00 - [11] - Quote Laser rifle is only good if you have a side arm and comes dmg mods.
danny12343331 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 127	Posted - 2013.07.25 05:23:00 - [12] - Quote LR is not even good with a complex damage modifier 17x1.10= 17.95 and that is just one complex modifier and for some reason bear with me the rounding off system goes down to 17.
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 3559	Posted - 2013.07.25 05:26:00 - [13] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Spycrab Potato wrote: It sucks. And I mean, it's is terrible. Granted, I only tried the standard variant but it was still horrible. I went 1/11 and the only kill I got was a kill steal when someone was pretty much dead already. I normally only die 3 - 4 times a game with my adv suit, but this game I couldn't because I couldn't defend myself when it came to a fire fight. My poor gallente body just flopped on the ground. Not even with DAMAGE mods. THE REAL ISSUE with the laser rifle is that is supposed to be a mid-long range weapon, and it doesn't even have a miserable sight. Lasers USED to have a GOOD sight, BETTER DAMAGE , and still was an underused weapon... Unnecessary nerf anyone... ? You joking right? Lasers were as common as assault rifles near the end of chromosome. They were beastly, melting pretty much anyone and everything before you can even blink, as long as you know how to use it right. And best of all? You didn't even need to stay on the target, the damage was so high, swiping over them is enough to kill them. It needed a nerf, but CCP went too far.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 1440	Posted - 2013.07.25 05:28:00 - [14] - Quote Spycrab Potato wrote: It sucks. And I mean, it's is terrible. Granted, I only tried the standard variant but it was still horrible. I went 1/11 and the only kill I got was a kill steal when someone was pretty much dead already. I normally only die 3 - 4 times a game with my adv suit, but this game I couldn't because I couldn't defend myself when it came to a fire fight. My poor gallente body just flopped on the ground. Really because I just went 23-2 with the LR. I never usually say this but get gud scrub.
Raz Warsaw Capital Acquisitions LLC 11	Posted - 2013.07.25 09:13:00 - [15] - Quote Their adding a red dot to it, which considering the design, it's gunna look weird. Off point but they need to increase the zoom, it utter garbage long range. Mid range it shines with suppressive fire.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 781	Posted - 2013.07.25 09:21:00 - [16] - Quote I've used the standard laser rifle with no damage mods on a non-Amarr Assault suit for a long time post-Uprising. If you're going 1/11 then it's you, not the weapon.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 833	Posted - 2013.07.25 09:23:00 - [17] - Quote Spycrab Potato wrote: It sucks. And I mean, it's is terrible. Granted, I only tried the standard variant but it was still horrible. I went 1/11 and the only kill I got was a kill steal when someone was pretty much dead already. I normally only die 3 - 4 times a game with my adv suit, but this game I couldn't because I couldn't defend myself when it came to a fire fight. My poor gallente body just flopped on the ground. Um its the best gun in the game at the moment THE HELL YOU ON?
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 781	Posted - 2013.07.25 09:29:00 - [18] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Spycrab Potato wrote: It sucks. And I mean, it's is terrible. Granted, I only tried the standard variant but it was still horrible. I went 1/11 and the only kill I got was a kill steal when someone was pretty much dead already. I normally only die 3 - 4 times a game with my adv suit, but this game I couldn't because I couldn't defend myself when it came to a fire fight. My poor gallente body just flopped on the ground. Um its the best gun in the game at the moment THE HELL YOU ON? I don't blame him, if you use an assault rifle long enough you forget that other weapons require a bit of thought before firing.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 833	Posted - 2013.07.25 09:32:00 - [19] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: True Adamance wrote: Spycrab Potato wrote: It sucks. And I mean, it's is terrible. Granted, I only tried the standard variant but it was still horrible. I went 1/11 and the only kill I got was a kill steal when someone was pretty much dead already. I normally only die 3 - 4 times a game with my adv suit, but this game I couldn't because I couldn't defend myself when it came to a fire fight. My poor gallente body just flopped on the ground. Um its the best gun in the game at the moment THE HELL YOU ON? I don't blame him, if you use an assault rifle long enough you forget that other weapons require a bit of thought before firing. Ive gone back to revist my Caldari AR guy..... the game is so boring and suck balls while using that damn gun.... not to mention the Breach AR is a ******* joke... does have any range, nor damage, no benefits.
Delta Iddon Electronic Sports League 49	Posted - 2013.07.25 09:46:00 - [20] - Quote As someone who uses the laser rifle more than any other weapon in the game, it is far from bad and extremely powerful at its optimal range My only real gripe with it post-uprising was the iron sights but i am used to them now and i feel they are ok (The iron sights will be replaced with a red dot sight in 1.4) Remember that the laser rifle does less damage the closer the target is under 65m, it also loses damage rapidly over its optimal range, here is a graph i made to help you see where its sweet spot is: http://i.imgur.com/SeduLE7.png

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 5124	Posted - 2013.07.25 09:51:00 - [21] - Quote Delta Iddon wrote: As someone who uses the laser rifle more than any other weapon in the game, it is far from bad and extremely powerful at its optimal range My only real gripe with it post-uprising was the iron sights but i am used to them now and i feel they are ok (The iron sights will be replaced with a red dot sight in 1.4) Remember that the laser rifle does less damage the closer the target is under 65m, it also loses damage rapidly over its optimal range, here is a graph i made to help you see where its sweet spot is: http://i.imgur.com/SeduLE7.png I wish the damage dropoff over range was as steady and gradual as the buildup. Its way too steep IMO. Also, do you use Amarr assault?
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 833	Posted - 2013.07.25 09:52:00 - [22] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Delta Iddon wrote: As someone who uses the laser rifle more than any other weapon in the game, it is far from bad and extremely powerful at its optimal range My only real gripe with it post-uprising was the iron sights but i am used to them now and i feel they are ok (The iron sights will be replaced with a red dot sight in 1.4) Remember that the laser rifle does less damage the closer the target is under 65m, it also loses damage rapidly over its optimal range, here is a graph i made to help you see where its sweet spot is: http://i.imgur.com/SeduLE7.png I wish the damage dropoff over range was as steady and gradual as the buildup. Its way too steep IMO. Also, do you use Amarr assault? You don't even have to that the beautiful thing
SERPENT-Adamapple Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 141	Posted - 2013.07.25 09:55:00 - [23] - Quote I use a laser rifle with a heavy suit. It is mainly used as a ranged counter-sniper weapon. It's basically the opposite of HMG. Get proficiency up, slap on a damage mod and you'll being frying faces in no time. It has It's niche.
Delta Iddon Electronic Sports League 49	Posted - 2013.07.25 09:55:00 - [24] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Delta Iddon wrote: As someone who uses the laser rifle more than any other weapon in the game, it is far from bad and extremely powerful at its optimal range My only real gripe with it post-uprising was the iron sights but i am used to them now and i feel they are ok (The iron sights will be replaced with a red dot sight in 1.4) Remember that the laser rifle does less damage the closer the target is under 65m, it also loses damage rapidly over its optimal range, here is a graph i made to help you see where its sweet spot is: http://i.imgur.com/SeduLE7.png I wish the damage dropoff over range was as steady and gradual as the buildup. Its way too steep IMO. Also, do you use Amarr assault? I use it on the amarr assault and a dren gallente scout, it isnt hard to keep the weapon from overheating
sixteensixty4 Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2013.07.25 09:58:00 - [25] - Quote I've never used it, but i saw my first viziam in upriseing the other day, the dude went 30ish \ 0 with it he got me a few times, seemed as scary as it did in chromo (not a bad thing) although i've only got about 380 hp on this toon
TEXA5 HiTM4N ROGUE SPADES EoN. 143	Posted - 2013.07.25 11:47:00 - [26] - Quote i have been fried by adv level lasers. you just need to be about 70m out and have a damage mod. The laser rifle damage and core mechanics is just fine.
Vin Mora Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises 72	Posted - 2013.07.25 11:48:00 - [27] - Quote danny12343331 wrote: LR is not even good with a complex damage modifier 17x1.10= 17.95 and that is just one complex modifier and for some reason bear with me the rounding off system goes down to 17. While true for the first 'shot', the LR does way more damage as it heats up, and that damage is great helped by the damage mod. I use it to support with my Logi suit in conjunction with a other squad-mate using a Mass Driver with a Logi suit. We stay back and can Logi while also provide covering fire/suppression for our assault squad-mates, and can even finish off some targets if we work together. I got three kills with it in a match yesterday. The biggest gripe I have is the feedback damage, 150 -225 damage is WAAAAY too high.
Beren Hurin K-A-O-S theory 819	Posted - 2013.07.25 13:02:00 - [28] - Quote I've been messing around with the laser a bit too lately...here's what I've found: One key with the laser rifle is to use the minimap to help you identify your ranges. The middle circle is 50m and it reaches to 100m so you only want to engage people outside that middle circle and about 2.5 ticks outside of that. This is your sweet spot. See above for a graph. As an amarr logi, having nanohives and a scanner equipped seems to be about as ideal of a situation as you can get. You can get lots of targets IDed out to 100m, which then lets you quickly find the ones in the sweet spot. Not to mention, the rest of your team will see them as well. Switching back and forth between a scanner and your laser to keep the enemy revealed really helps you and your team's situational awareness. It's name isn't coming to me, but there is an advanced scanner which will pick up most suits, that you can sweep in front of you for about 180 degrees while the enemies last for around 5+ seconds. This is really helpful because your team often then will pinpoint a few of those enemies visually, which continues to light them up. Positioning just works differently than AR also. I've found that there are a lot of good cover zones that are approximately the 66m-85m sweet spot distance away from normal hot zones. Engaging so many AR users at >55m is also really disruptive much like a mass driver. Even if you aren't taking a lot of players down, if you can keep them that distance away, they may waste ammo spraying at you. Knowing your tank helps here, as you can very easily just tank a full clip of duvolle ammo at 65m. The tactical AR is what you want to worry about. Because of their precision, laser rifles have an underestimated value attacking elevated positions too. You can stay out of range of the encamped position. This is what makes them good against snipers also, since very often, snipers will be too slow to notice your damage before they can do anything. Finally, it doesn't take long to figure out how to pulse your beams. Holding the beam for continuous damage results in a lot of lost ammo, but getting the heat up past 75-80% and then quickly pulsing the beam can use up to 50% less ammo while maintaining the hot/deadly zone. And with no kickback your accuracy is unaffected.
The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 777	Posted - 2013.07.25 13:13:00 - [29] - Quote Delta Iddon wrote: As someone who uses the laser rifle more than any other weapon in the game, it is far from bad and extremely powerful at its optimal range My only real gripe with it post-uprising was the iron sights but i am used to them now and i feel they are ok (The iron sights will be replaced with a red dot sight in 1.4) Remember that the laser rifle does less damage the closer the target is under 65m, it also loses damage rapidly over its optimal range, here is a graph i made to help you see where its sweet spot is: http://i.imgur.com/SeduLE7.png 100% true The iron sights is the deal breaker for me. I can't get used to them. Everything else is good.
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 343	Posted - 2013.07.25 13:19:00 - [30] - Quote Encountered a good laser rifle player yesterday, melted my shield and armor in seconds. Needless to say he camped out in the open behind a hill. When used properly in optimal environments, its as deadly as a good TAC user.



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