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Gogo O'Dell
Psygod9
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.24 06:02:00 -
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Radius was fine. Direct damage was fine.
Reduce splash to 60 on proto and rounds in clip to 2 in proto and we have a decent sidearm that requires skill to use BC that little splash won't mean jack to even an adv armor tank.
Now it is useless and people wasted about a month of their time on it. Don't get me wrong, it was OP, but no need to slaughter it with the nerf hammer in front of its family.
Well...we'll just add it to the list of bad things:
-lolcannon
-derpship
-laser pointer
+flaylock
(I wanted to put tanks on there but I'll wait until 1.4 when armor reps get "balanced" for that one) |
Xender17
Intrepidus XI
EoN.
361
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Posted - 2013.07.24 06:03:00 -
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Good. You all deserve wasted SP. |
Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
36
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Posted - 2013.07.24 06:14:00 -
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lol, stop complaining, I still use the laser rifle and still get top 3 of the board with the std version. Maybe get better at the game? |
Thumb Green
THE STAR BORN
Dark Taboo
220
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Posted - 2013.07.24 06:15:00 -
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Not surprising to see a member of psygod whining like this after his OP toy got nerfed. It'll only be useless to unskilled players; those with skill will still have no problem wrecking people with it. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3150
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Posted - 2013.07.24 06:18:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:Good. You all deserve wasted SP.
What about the people that like using it because it's a fun weapon? The TAC AR got re-balanced to the point that people that used it properly are still using it, why not the same for the flaylock, or any game mechanic for that matter? I'm not going to draw any conclusions yet until I get my hands on it, but I do feel they didn't address the two problems I found being on both sides of the weapon- spam and accessibility. The flaylock is too easy to fit and the RoF is exceptionally high which encouraged people to blob together throwing rockets. This is still going to happen, but the only exception is that you might have the slightest chance to survive. But again, this is just speculation. We'll all just have to wait until next week. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
834
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Posted - 2013.07.24 06:22:00 -
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Splash damage is still better than a proto mass driver (Freedom). Also the reduced stats they showed were from the std flaylock, proto will have even better than 165 direct and 140 splash (especially once you factor in any bonuses).
Less radius means you have to aim, and any sidearm should only be used as a finisher or as a last resort, never as a main means of attack (unless you're skilled enough to do so and the weapon isn't OP). |
dday3six
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
112
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Posted - 2013.07.24 06:55:00 -
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No OP, no it won't. Flaylock will function like a sidearm, e.i, back-up weapon as it's suppose to. |
Bob Teller
Red Star.
EoN.
43
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Posted - 2013.07.24 07:02:00 -
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Gogo O'Dell wrote:Radius was fine. Direct damage was fine.
Reduce splash to 60 on proto and rounds in clip to 2 in proto and we have a decent sidearm that requires skill to use BC that little splash won't mean jack to even an adv armor tank.
Now it is useless and people wasted about a month of their time on it. Don't get me wrong, it was OP, but no need to slaughter it with the nerf hammer in front of its family.
Well...we'll just add it to the list of bad things:
-lolcannon
-derpship
-laser pointer
+flaylock
(I wanted to put tanks on there but I'll wait until 1.4 when armor reps get "balanced" for that one)
I found one!!!! a flaylock user that is actually crying on the forums,HERE LOOK AT HIM |
xSir Campsalotx
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
32
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Posted - 2013.07.24 08:08:00 -
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Ha I'm out of pc battles until these weapons are balanced. |
HYENAKILLER X
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
76
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Posted - 2013.07.24 08:38:00 -
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So the laser rifle was used by clowns with no skill? How is that possible seeing how you have to actually aim the laser rifle?
Also since when could laser tifle spam kill 5 guys behind cover with 3 shots?
I am offended by this post.
The flaylock is in its own league of clown far bayond and rifle type . |
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Xero The Mishima
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
258
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Posted - 2013.07.24 08:41:00 -
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Mossellia Delt wrote:lol, stop complaining, I still use the laser rifle and still get top 3 of the board with the std version. Maybe get better at the game?
Oh no, you make top3 in pubs?!?! You must be pretty good.. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
1425
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Posted - 2013.07.24 08:45:00 -
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Xero The Mishima wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:lol, stop complaining, I still use the laser rifle and still get top 3 of the board with the std version. Maybe get better at the game? Oh no, you make top3 in pubs?!?! You must be pretty good..
I use the laser rifle. I get good scores with it and I only use the standard version. |
Kinky Burrito
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
League of Infamy
103
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Posted - 2013.07.24 09:03:00 -
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I think it should have been nerfed more. |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
317
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Posted - 2013.07.24 09:57:00 -
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dday3six wrote:No OP, no it won't. Flaylock will function like a sidearm, e.i, back-up weapon as it's suppose to.
But, then how will I dual-wield my proto-exgodlocks? |
Moselder Telend
Not Guilty
EoN.
0
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Posted - 2013.07.24 10:20:00 -
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Xero The Mishima wrote:Mossellia Delt wrote:lol, stop complaining, I still use the laser rifle and still get top 3 of the board with the std version. Maybe get better at the game? Oh no, you make top3 in pubs?!?! You must be pretty good..
I can also post on my main who uses scramblers and tell ya I kick ass in PC as well. |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
DARKSTAR ARMY
345
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Posted - 2013.07.24 10:21:00 -
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Core flaylock was too much, but a level 3 flaylock is a good weapon in good hands, if you know what i mean.... |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1753
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Posted - 2013.07.24 11:09:00 -
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Good you deserve a piece of junk. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
812
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Posted - 2013.07.24 11:23:00 -
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Gogo O'Dell wrote:Radius was fine. Direct damage was fine.
Reduce splash to 60 on proto and rounds in clip to 2 in proto and we have a decent sidearm that requires skill to use BC that little splash won't mean jack to even an adv armor tank.
Now it is useless and people wasted about a month of their time on it. Don't get me wrong, it was OP, but no need to slaughter it with the nerf hammer in front of its family.
Well...we'll just add it to the list of bad things:
-lolcannon
-derpship
-laser pointer
+flaylock
(I wanted to put tanks on there but I'll wait until 1.4 when armor reps get "balanced" for that one)
Not reall the direct damage was in need of some nerf not as heavy handed as the nerf we got I was thinking around about 20 points taking its damage to 198.
However the current splash and splash damage nerfs are fine and well implemented.
@ OP if you aren't an armour tanker then you really don't have any business critiquing and weapon designed to take out armour. Flaylock is a side arm not a main and if should act like one. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
812
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Posted - 2013.07.24 11:24:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:So the laser rifle was used by clowns with no skill? How is that possible seeing how you have to actually aim the laser rifle?
Also since when could laser tifle spam kill 5 guys behind cover with 3 shots?
I am offended by this post.
The flaylock is in its own league of clown far bayond and rifle type .
You mean all those with any current semblance of skill this build right?
The laser was and still is a great weapon. |
Hecarim Van Hohen
Bullet Cluster
85
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Posted - 2013.07.24 11:47:00 -
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Gogo O'Dell wrote: but no need to slaughter it with the nerf hammer in front of its family.
A message had to be sent and what is a better way to send one than slaughtering Flaylock in front of it's family with the dreaded nerf hammer?
It's (more) balanced now and requires skill to pop suits left and right unlike it's current state where it kills everything with it's ridiculous splash dmg and somewhat ridiculous splash radius :| |
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Gogo O'Dell
Psygod9
RISE of LEGION
49
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Posted - 2013.07.24 15:16:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Not surprising to see a member of psygod whining like this after his OP toy got nerfed. It'll only be useless to unskilled players; those with skill will still have no problem wrecking people with it.
I'm not in Psygod. Anyone who is anyone knows whose alt this is. |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
257
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Posted - 2013.07.24 15:22:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:So the laser rifle was used by clowns with no skill? How is that possible seeing how you have to actually aim the laser rifle?
Also since when could laser tifle spam kill 5 guys behind cover with 3 shots?
I am offended by this post.
The flaylock is in its own league of clown far bayond and rifle type . You mean all those with any current semblance of skill this build right? The laser was and still is a great weapon.
Really???? Well thank God we dont ever see it |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
1873
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Posted - 2013.07.24 15:28:00 -
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You know, if every weapon sucks, wouldn't that mean they're balanced? |
Thumb Green
THE STAR BORN
Dark Taboo
221
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Posted - 2013.07.24 15:35:00 -
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Your alt is you.
Gogo O'Dell wrote: Anyone who is anyone knows whose alt this is.
Lol, ok if that makes you feel as if you're important. But anyone who is anyone doesn't care what your main is; only that you were too much of a coward to post this topic with it. Again not surprising coming from a psygod member. |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
839
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Posted - 2013.07.24 15:37:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:You know, if every weapon sucks, wouldn't that mean they're balanced?
 *mind blown* |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3157
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Posted - 2013.07.24 15:45:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:You know, if every weapon sucks, wouldn't that mean they're balanced?
It means we'll all get our asses kicked in PVE... until they nerf that. Then Dust 514 can be the first AAA pillow fight. But you know what? People will probably complain that foam pillows are OP while others will think the same of feathers and a select few will stick to buckwheat even if it could use a buff. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
3046
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Posted - 2013.07.24 15:48:00 -
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dmg and splash radius was fine? 
lol... talk about wanting to hold on to a crutch. I had proto Flaylocks, and I'm glad they nerfed it. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3158
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Posted - 2013.07.24 16:35:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:dmg and splash radius was fine? lol... talk about wanting to hold on to a crutch. I had proto Flaylocks, and I'm glad they nerfed it.
Did you like it when the HMG got nerf to its damage as a way of balancing, breaking it while the TAC AR got a nerf to its DPS while it remained usable with sufficient drawbacks? I think the issue with the flaylock was the ability to spam it. If the RoF and reload speed were adjusted, while ammo capacity was scaled proportionately between the breach/standard while the specialists had less ammo, similar to the SG, it could remain as a highly damaging weapon. What keeps the MD balanced is the fact that you can't spam shots and the ammo is dangerously low. The same could have worked for the flaylock. |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
257
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Posted - 2013.07.24 17:00:00 -
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Reload speed is fine - same reload speed as ScR (iirc). Any idiot who couldnt kill an FP user during a reload deserved their fate.
The issue was splash and people "dual wielding"
RoF and splash damage should have been their first move. Also giving Core same radius as adv.
That would have made it their "skill shot" weapon.
What they have done is stuck it nicely into that complimentary finisher some on here talk about but is that fair because a pistol user doesnt need another weapon if they are skilled and an smg doesnt need another weapon if they sunk enough SP into that weapon.
If that is what they intend for the weapon then come out and say it - I think the deliberate non balance of the CPU/PG says that but dont give us that crap about skill shot.
With those new stats you will most likely have to fire and reload and then fire a couple more times unless use a flux and the opponent freezes. |
Gogo O'Dell
Psygod9
RISE of LEGION
56
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:51:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Your alt is you. Gogo O'Dell wrote: Anyone who is anyone knows whose alt this is. Lol, ok if that makes you feel as if you're important. But anyone who is anyone doesn't care what your main is; only that you were too much of a coward to post this topic with it. Again not surprising coming from a psygod member.
Sorry. Guess you weren't here for the beta. Anyway, all the big dogs know my main, but I'm Charlotte....the king of qq. The Malcolm x of tanks. The Great and Powerful O'Dell!!!!!!! Lol ... brohoof and I'm not in Psygods but whatever. |
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
901
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Posted - 2013.07.24 18:54:00 -
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They're still gonna be spammed with that radius. I'll die slightly slower than instantly to them now. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
2677
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Posted - 2013.07.24 19:18:00 -
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Gogo O'Dell wrote:Radius was fine. Direct damage was fine.
Reduce splash to 60 on proto and rounds in clip to 2 in proto and we have a decent sidearm that requires skill to use BC that little splash won't mean jack to even an adv armor tank.
Now it is useless and people wasted about a month of their time on it. Don't get me wrong, it was OP, but no need to slaughter it with the nerf hammer in front of its family.
Well...we'll just add it to the list of bad things:
-lolcannon
-derpship
-laser pointer
+flaylock
(I wanted to put tanks on there but I'll wait until 1.4 when armor reps get "balanced" for that one)
Look, the only reason to even complain about this nerf is if you were relying on this weapon as your primary, which is exactly what they're seeking to prevent.
It's a sidearm, and now it has stats like a sidearm. |
Gogo O'Dell
Psygod9
RISE of LEGION
58
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Posted - 2013.07.24 19:20:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Gogo O'Dell wrote:Radius was fine. Direct damage was fine.
Reduce splash to 60 on proto and rounds in clip to 2 in proto and we have a decent sidearm that requires skill to use BC that little splash won't mean jack to even an adv armor tank.
Now it is useless and people wasted about a month of their time on it. Don't get me wrong, it was OP, but no need to slaughter it with the nerf hammer in front of its family.
Well...we'll just add it to the list of bad things:
-lolcannon
-derpship
-laser pointer
+flaylock
(I wanted to put tanks on there but I'll wait until 1.4 when armor reps get "balanced" for that one) Look, the only reason to even complain about this nerf is if you were relying on this weapon as your primary, which is exactly what they're seeking to prevent. It's a sidearm, and now it has stats like a sidearm.
What if they increased PG and CPU then made it a heavy weapon? |
Thumb Green
THE STAR BORN
Dark Taboo
221
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Posted - 2013.07.24 19:30:00 -
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Gogo O'Dell wrote:Sorry. Guess you weren't here for the beta. Anyway, all the big dogs know my main, but I'm Charlotte....the king of qq. The Malcolm x of tanks. The Great and Powerful O'Dell!!!!!!! Lol ... brohoof and I'm not in Psygods but whatever.
Not closed beta but I've been here since open beta started. Don't recall seeing you (though I'm terrible with names) but I won't dispute you being the king qq in your own qq thread.
And this alt of yours is in psygod therefor you are in psygod. Don't like being associated with them put your alt in another corp. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
2678
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Posted - 2013.07.24 19:31:00 -
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Gogo O'Dell wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Gogo O'Dell wrote:Radius was fine. Direct damage was fine.
Reduce splash to 60 on proto and rounds in clip to 2 in proto and we have a decent sidearm that requires skill to use BC that little splash won't mean jack to even an adv armor tank.
Now it is useless and people wasted about a month of their time on it. Don't get me wrong, it was OP, but no need to slaughter it with the nerf hammer in front of its family.
Well...we'll just add it to the list of bad things:
-lolcannon
-derpship
-laser pointer
+flaylock
(I wanted to put tanks on there but I'll wait until 1.4 when armor reps get "balanced" for that one) Look, the only reason to even complain about this nerf is if you were relying on this weapon as your primary, which is exactly what they're seeking to prevent. It's a sidearm, and now it has stats like a sidearm. What if they increased PG and CPU then made it a heavy weapon?
Then it'd be crappy, because it'd be a three-shot weapon and people would just run around you while you tried to attack them. |
Gogo O'Dell
Psygod9
RISE of LEGION
58
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Posted - 2013.07.24 19:33:00 -
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Bacon |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
902
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Posted - 2013.07.24 19:33:00 -
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Gogo O'Dell wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Gogo O'Dell wrote:Radius was fine. Direct damage was fine.
Reduce splash to 60 on proto and rounds in clip to 2 in proto and we have a decent sidearm that requires skill to use BC that little splash won't mean jack to even an adv armor tank.
Now it is useless and people wasted about a month of their time on it. Don't get me wrong, it was OP, but no need to slaughter it with the nerf hammer in front of its family.
Well...we'll just add it to the list of bad things:
-lolcannon
-derpship
-laser pointer
+flaylock
(I wanted to put tanks on there but I'll wait until 1.4 when armor reps get "balanced" for that one) Look, the only reason to even complain about this nerf is if you were relying on this weapon as your primary, which is exactly what they're seeking to prevent. It's a sidearm, and now it has stats like a sidearm. What if they increased PG and CPU then made it a heavy weapon?
OMFG IDEA FOR MINMATAR AV WEAPON
Gigantic RPG lmao.
God I love thinking of the crazy sh*t Minmatar could have. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
349
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Posted - 2013.07.24 20:34:00 -
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If you can still kill people with a weapon, and it fills out a defined role, than only in an extreme case would I call it a "nerf" and not a "balance". Post Uprising the Mass drivers blast radius was nerfed and the Laser rifles range was nerfed. The laser rifles strength came from its effectiveness at long ranges, without that it was very UP. The mass driver is a terror weapon with a blast radius large enough to scare people. With no blast radius, you can't effectively suppress a large group or get someone out of a corner.
The flaylock was OP, it was too effective in too many situations. It took down shields and armor easily, allowed faster movement, fired quickly, and didn't require precise aiming. On top of that it had a low fitting cost and could be dual equipped on any non logi suit. The recent balance tightens it to a sidearm role as was intended, deadly when used accurately, but not meant to be the first choice.
Now before someone complains about the AR being good in every situation, it is, but there are situations where another weapon will excel at it. The ARs popularity comes more from it's flexibility than its killing power. It will still get outmatched by a shotgun at close range, and a LR at long range. It also isn't as effective at tearing down armor as the SMG, HMG, and MD. The AR also has the advantage of being one of the easiest weapons to understand as well as being the most prevalent in the industry. |
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