We the vehical players

Tanks
Shield tanks are poop. Straight up, poop. Armor tanks are fairly balanced atm tho, hoepfully they do not recive the armor rep nerf. If they do, they will be worse than shield tanks because the already godly AV does ample damage to them. This "bug fix" can not happen because it actually balances the tank. It needs to be there! Other than that the armor tanks is pretty fair. A ligit, reliable and beatable tank. Balanced.

Shield tanks on the other hand, are not balanced. The only thing they have going for them are the explosive resist,the regenerating shields are too slow to be significant, there will be Lavs with more natural regen than these failtreds and this cannot happen. Buffing the natural regen to 35-50 would be something reliable and not quiet rediculas. Also, shield tanks active reps are not worth using, you will be handicapted for using these. Right now they last 10 seconds for a 30% DMG reduction with a cool down of 30 seconds. Only change needed is the active time, needs to increase from 10 seconds to 30-40. Not quiet as awsume as armor tanks but it would at lease be worth using. Also, due to dramatically lower CPU/PG amounts compared to the armor tanks, shield tanks can not fit ADV or Proto stabalized blasters or regulated railguns, even with the assistance of 2 proto PG extenders. There simply is not enough fittting avaiable to make this possible, these metal boxes need ethire another low slot or more base fitting to have the luxary of having a variety of fittings. Right now its not possible.

why shouldnt LAVs have more natural regen than tanks? it makes sense really, tanks should have massive pools of HP that is slow to regen. they can stay in the fight longer, but have to take longer to recover. LAVs on the other hand are much better suited to hit and run tactics making the smaller HP pool/ higher regen well suited to their size class.

Just one thing I noticed: you said that gravity and weight doesn't affect ships in EVE. However, mass does. Gallentean ships are more massive than Caldarean ships, but they can still achieve higher speeds due to more powerful engines. I believe Gallente vehicles should still be faster than Caldari vehicles, but Caldari vehicles should have more torque and better acceleration.

Vehicle... It's spelled vehicle.

a vehicle update? nice.

BUFF AL AV weapons. This is a FPS, power to the people

Lol, these forums are so bad. no wounder ccp doesent know what to do

LOL Wiyrkomis are cheap, both ISK-wise and SP-wise.

Your own fault if you can't destroy vehicles.

Gameplay & balance > Lore > Common sence > Real life.
In Eve, heavy armor gallenete ships are faster than weightless sheild Caldari tanks. All good cuz its space, gravity and weight are not a factor. Also good because it balances well in Eve. In dust, we are on planets. Weight and gravity are factors here. It is not good that heavy armor tanks are faster than weightless sheild tanks. Considering how much better the armor tanks are in every aspect of tanking, it is not good for the balance to continue having armor tanks faster than shield tanks.

Just one thing I noticed: you said that gravity and weight doesn't affect ships in EVE. However, mass does. Gallentean ships are more massive than Caldarean ships, but they can still achieve higher speeds due to more powerful engines. I believe Gallente vehicles should still be faster than Caldari vehicles, but Caldari vehicles should have more torque and better acceleration.

+1 to everything except the comment about sneaky dropships. Lol

I agree. also
Dropships should get the 25% health they lost back, and possibly another high/low slot for assault/ logi dropships.

We the vehical players are not enjoying dust anymore, nearly all the veteran closed beta vehical players do not play dust any longer, and i can say in 100% confidence that there is not a single vehical user that enjoys dust anymore sence uprising. In fact, for the vehical players, we would be so much happier if we threw out all the work done in Uprising and reverted to Chromosome. Srly, Uprising is a regression. To keep us around and vehicals in New Eden, i am making a list of the decive moves that will properly balance vehicals. Feel free to correct or add anything, intelligent vehical and AV vets.

Dropships
These peices of junk needs an overhual, if we had these in real life they would not be considered for Air Force One. The promblem is they get one or two hitted by forge guns and rails, depending on how maxed out your ship is. Give these guys abit more fitting so they can raise their deffences abit, or some more base HP. Dont really need any more slots, those can go a long way on a DS. Also, the DS noise announces very clearly were they are, they can no sneak up on tanks or anyone very well. Its very annoying.
Logi DSes need the resistance the LLAV's Have
Assaults need some more PG/CPU and the abliity to fit 5 turrets to make them truly danegerous
all DSes need more PG/CPU


Lavs
Their more survivable than tanks! should not be happening, these things tank like a monster. Word on the forums is the collision damage is broken as well, not good. These things are meant to ride around and have the gunner get alot of kills, but no one does this because that tactic sucks too much for it to be reliable, you will never see in this in pubs, let alone in a PC match. So, make the lav skill give bonuses to small turrent stats. Range, Rof, damage, something. Also, scout lavs apperantly are not good enough to be used over the Logi Lavs. Need more torque is all i can comment, i dont use them.
Work on small turrets would help especially helping out Small Railguns, and make Small blasters do more than a Duvolle

Tanks
Shield tanks are poop. Straight up, poop. Armor tanks are fairly balanced atm tho, hoepfully they do not recive the armor rep nerf. If they do, they will be worse than shield tanks because the already godly AV does ample damage to them. This "bug fix" can not happen because it actually balances the tank. It needs to be there! Other than that the armor tanks is pretty fair. A ligit, reliable and beatable tank. Balanced.

Shield tanks on the other hand, are not balanced. The only thing they have going for them are the explosive resist, the regenerating shields are too slow to be significant, there will be Lavs with more natural regen than these failtreds and this cannot happen. Buffing the natural regen to 35-50 would be something reliable and not quiet rediculas. Also, shield tanks active reps are not worth using, you will be handicapted for using these. Right now they last 10 seconds for a 30% DMG reduction with a cool down of 30 seconds. Only change needed is the active time, needs to increase from 10 seconds to 30-40. Not quiet as awsume as armor tanks but it would at lease be worth using. Also, due to dramatically lower CPU/PG amounts compared to the armor tanks, shield tanks can not fit ADV or Proto stabalized blasters or regulated railguns, even with the assistance of 2 proto PG extenders. There simply is not enough fittting avaiable to make this possible, these metal boxes need ethire another low slot or more base fitting to have the luxary of having a variety of fittings. Right now its not possible.
Make shield boosters rep faster and increase passive reps on tanks to
Sica 40hp/s
Gunloggi 60hp/s

General vehical notes:

Gameplay & balance > Lore > Common sence > Real life.
In Eve, heavy armor gallenete ships are faster than weightless sheild Caldari tanks. All good cuz its space, gravity and weight are not a factor. Also good because it balances well in Eve. In dust, we are on planets. Weight and gravity are factors here. It is not good that heavy armor tanks are faster than weightless sheild tanks. Considering how much better the armor tanks are in every aspect of tanking, it is not good for the balance to continue having armor tanks faster than shield tanks.
Gallente Ships have stronger engines though
Fitting
Although armor tanks have lots of PG, vehicals as a whole do not have much at all, in many situation it simply is not possible to have certain fits. Why have mods/ weapons if low fitting is stoping us from using them? We need more fitting.
Fix the PG skill and watch so many problems go away

Vehicals need locks!
it is far too common for ppl to stay in your vehical and get you blown up because they will not leave when your about to die. You cant recall and you loose lots and lots of isk. Why would a vehical user want to play in this environment? needs to happen
Give me my lock

AV is way too strong for our standard vehicals
Were pretty boned, dropships are getting one shotted out of the sky (the very best, top of the line drop ships die on the second) and our tanks die before they can turn around and escape. We cant even kill ppl with assualt rifles because we are so weak that grenades can easily and reliably kill us. None of this is okay, we need AV balance or stronger tanks
Don't hate on me but AV is fine, but there are some minor things that would help allieviate problems letting Vehicle users see that Swarms are locked onto them and from what direction
FG's are a pain but proto tanks will help there
AV nades again vehicle passive scanning needs buffed so people don't sneak up on tanks

I don't remember saying you could speak for me.

why shouldnt LAVs have more natural regen than tanks? it makes sense really, tanks should have massive pools of HP that is slow to regen. they can stay in the fight longer, but have to take longer to recover. LAVs on the other hand are much better suited to hit and run tactics making the smaller HP pool/ higher regen well suited to their size class.

I want to say something intelligent, I really do, but CCP has beaten all of the hope out of me.

Does anyone find it ironic that dropships win PC battles and don't function in pubs?

why shouldnt LAVs have more natural regen than tanks? it makes sense really, tanks should have massive pools of HP that is slow to regen. they can stay in the fight longer, but have to take longer to recover. LAVs on the other hand are much better suited to hit and run tactics making the smaller HP pool/ higher regen well suited to their size class.

i cant read past this

"and i can say in 100% confidence that there is not a single vehical user that enjoys dust anymore sence uprising"

why do you try and talk for everybody?

sure maybe tanks need some love, but im still ENJOYING my tank

Maple, my man, must I explain a = f/m to you again? Though I agree with everything else on your OP.

All I have to say is I've been pinned by ads and I shot a proto swarm at it, &it survived I have been redline rail sniped by tanks so if they give vehicles a much needed buff they should not be able to go into the redzone. Also if you are in a tank u shouldn't be able to hear a dropship. Everyone else should. Also no more nerfs or buffs until we get new content

I didn't disagree with his post I agreed I just added on and as a heavy we need a buff too so do the scouts they also need to release the pilot suit for you all

uh... no. gtfo. its ppl like you who destroy classes. see how the post is called " infaintry GTFO" ? were done making tanks easy mode for infaintry. were balancing it now. If tanks can not travel in the red line they would be forever traped by invisible instalations, equally invisible forge gunners/swarmers on top of sky scrapers, and rail tanks. Also, tank drivers would never have a place to be call their vehicals in, they would always be in danger queing them up, EXPESCIALLY when their teams being redlined. Wtf are you talking about bro? get out of here

Strange, i thought this was in the general channel. But of course, you don't want to balance your vehicles, which is why you don't want infantry commenting with their opinions. Cause you know, balancing is a one sided coin that ignores all other aspects of the game, right?

Also, they "hope" to get the vehicle patch in by 1.4, but since its so large it might not happen till 1.5.

Aaaand you won't be getting your god mode tank requiring 3 proto AV's to focus fire just to bring you down. The are changing how vehicles and AV works.

No one wants god mode tanks like you had in chromosome (except you tankers of course), and we certainly don't want tank drivers to be forced to spend 6 months just to skill for a fit that won't pop when an AVer sneezes in their general direction.

Point is, the vehicle patch is going to be a balancing patch on both sides of the spectrum, not a buff to make already properly fitted tanks that take 6 forge gun shots (at the least) to take down, even more durable.

Balance

You propably are a redline sniper and seeing as which I also have the sp invested in lavs I can post

your forge gun sucks alot of ass cuz proto forges kill very quickly. And no, as it says in the OP intelligent AV players are encouraged to post, not just any tard who thinks its a good idea to make sure tanks cant enter the redline, i just pointed out all the promblems of that. Also, were not asking for God mode tanks were asking for balance, as stated in the OP. If we wanted Godtanks we would be demanding buffs all across the board

I hate to burst your bubble but if you read the AMA 1.4 is more infantry focused from early looks. Vehicles are simply too massive to squeeze into 1.4 and that would be changing far too much.

your kidding.... we have to wait more months for vehical balance???

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97190&p=1

read. listen. watch.

I don't remember saying you could speak for me.

But I said he could speak for me which leads to we instead of I

still, lets post up some ideas here for CCP wolfman to balance the vehicals. keep this thread going

Umm bring in proto vehicles so we can tell from there we have no idea if they need a buff or yeah they will need a buff lol..but maybe an officer tank..bring in proto vehicles then we can see from there I guess

Lavs
Their more survivable than tanks! should not be happening, these things tank like a monster. Word on the forums is the collision damage is broken as well, not good. These things are meant to ride around and have the gunner get alot of kills, but no one does this because that tactic sucks too much for it to be reliable, you will never see in this in pubs, let alone in a PC match. So, make the lav skill give bonuses to small turrent stats. Range, Rof, damage, something. Also, scout lavs apperantly are not good enough to be used over the Logi Lavs. Need more torque is all i can comment, i dont use them.