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Gogo O'Dell
Psygod9 RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.24 05:38:00 -
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I want to say something intelligent, I really do, but CCP has beaten all of the hope out of me.
Does anyone find it ironic that dropships win PC battles and don't function in pubs? |
The legend345
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.24 06:04:00 -
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Paladin Sas wrote:Exmaple Core wrote: Tanks Shield tanks are poop. Straight up, poop. Armor tanks are fairly balanced atm tho, hoepfully they do not recive the armor rep nerf. If they do, they will be worse than shield tanks because the already godly AV does ample damage to them. This "bug fix" can not happen because it actually balances the tank. It needs to be there! Other than that the armor tanks is pretty fair. A ligit, reliable and beatable tank. Balanced.
Shield tanks on the other hand, are not balanced. The only thing they have going for them are the explosive resist,the regenerating shields are too slow to be significant, there will be Lavs with more natural regen than these failtreds and this cannot happen. Buffing the natural regen to 35-50 would be something reliable and not quiet rediculas. Also, shield tanks active reps are not worth using, you will be handicapted for using these. Right now they last 10 seconds for a 30% DMG reduction with a cool down of 30 seconds. Only change needed is the active time, needs to increase from 10 seconds to 30-40. Not quiet as awsume as armor tanks but it would at lease be worth using. Also, due to dramatically lower CPU/PG amounts compared to the armor tanks, shield tanks can not fit ADV or Proto stabalized blasters or regulated railguns, even with the assistance of 2 proto PG extenders. There simply is not enough fittting avaiable to make this possible, these metal boxes need ethire another low slot or more base fitting to have the luxary of having a variety of fittings. Right now its not possible.
why shouldnt LAVs have more natural regen than tanks? it makes sense really, tanks should have massive pools of HP that is slow to regen. they can stay in the fight longer, but have to take longer to recover. LAVs on the other hand are much better suited to hit and run tactics making the smaller HP pool/ higher regen well suited to their size class. Because they're not dropping a couple million isk every deployment. gtfo, I got u maple ;) |
The legend345
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Posted - 2013.07.24 06:05:00 -
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Gogo O'Dell wrote:I want to say something intelligent, I really do, but CCP has beaten all of the hope out of me.
Does anyone find it ironic that dropships win PC battles and don't function in pubs? lol the only use they have in pc is a dropoff. They are nothing more then throwaways to get to place to place... |
The legend345
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Posted - 2013.07.24 06:07:00 -
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Fyi I agree with EVERYTHING maple said. |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.24 07:14:00 -
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want ammar tank |
Harpyja
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.24 14:52:00 -
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Paladin Sas wrote:Exmaple Core wrote: Tanks Shield tanks are poop. Straight up, poop. Armor tanks are fairly balanced atm tho, hoepfully they do not recive the armor rep nerf. If they do, they will be worse than shield tanks because the already godly AV does ample damage to them. This "bug fix" can not happen because it actually balances the tank. It needs to be there! Other than that the armor tanks is pretty fair. A ligit, reliable and beatable tank. Balanced.
Shield tanks on the other hand, are not balanced. The only thing they have going for them are the explosive resist,the regenerating shields are too slow to be significant, there will be Lavs with more natural regen than these failtreds and this cannot happen. Buffing the natural regen to 35-50 would be something reliable and not quiet rediculas. Also, shield tanks active reps are not worth using, you will be handicapted for using these. Right now they last 10 seconds for a 30% DMG reduction with a cool down of 30 seconds. Only change needed is the active time, needs to increase from 10 seconds to 30-40. Not quiet as awsume as armor tanks but it would at lease be worth using. Also, due to dramatically lower CPU/PG amounts compared to the armor tanks, shield tanks can not fit ADV or Proto stabalized blasters or regulated railguns, even with the assistance of 2 proto PG extenders. There simply is not enough fittting avaiable to make this possible, these metal boxes need ethire another low slot or more base fitting to have the luxary of having a variety of fittings. Right now its not possible.
why shouldnt LAVs have more natural regen than tanks? it makes sense really, tanks should have massive pools of HP that is slow to regen. they can stay in the fight longer, but have to take longer to recover. LAVs on the other hand are much better suited to hit and run tactics making the smaller HP pool/ higher regen well suited to their size class. Tanks should have more natural regen than LAVs. Frigates in EVE don't have the highest shield regen. As the ship gets bigger and more powerful, their shield regen gets stronger as well. It should be the same deal with vehicles.
However, dropsuits should be the way they are in terms of shield regen. They have limited power packs (if not identical) which means that the heavier the suit, the more power gets diverted to the motors to move the suit and less to recharge shields. |
sixteensixty4
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.24 14:58:00 -
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i cant read past this
"and i can say in 100% confidence that there is not a single vehical user that enjoys dust anymore sence uprising"
why do you try and talk for everybody?
sure maybe tanks need some love, but im still ENJOYING my tank |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.24 15:01:00 -
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I stand by my own thread
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=925183#post925183 |
Exmaple Core
Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.07.28 02:23:00 -
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sixteensixty4 wrote:i cant read past this "and i can say in 100% confidence that there is not a single vehical user that enjoys dust anymore sence uprising" why do you try and talk for everybody? sure maybe tanks need some love, but im still ENJOYING my tank
I dont "talk for everybody". Fanboys are not people |
Exmaple Core
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Posted - 2013.07.28 02:29:00 -
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Alpha 443-6732 wrote:Exmaple Core wrote: Gameplay & balance > Lore > Common sence > Real life. In Eve, heavy armor gallenete ships are faster than weightless sheild Caldari tanks. All good cuz its space, gravity and weight are not a factor. Also good because it balances well in Eve. In dust, we are on planets. Weight and gravity are factors here. It is not good that heavy armor tanks are faster than weightless sheild tanks. Considering how much better the armor tanks are in every aspect of tanking, it is not good for the balance to continue having armor tanks faster than shield tanks.
Maple, my man, must I explain a = f/m to you again? Though I agree with everything else on your OP.
nope, gameplay & balance > Real life. and expescially your math |
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DoomLead
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.07.28 02:41:00 -
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All I have to say is I've been pinned by ads and I shot a proto swarm at it, &it survived I have been redline rail sniped by tanks so if they give vehicles a much needed buff they should not be able to go into the redzone. Also if you are in a tank u shouldn't be able to hear a dropship. Everyone else should. Also no more nerfs or buffs until we get new content |
Exmaple Core
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Posted - 2013.07.28 02:44:00 -
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DoomLead wrote:All I have to say is I've been pinned by ads and I shot a proto swarm at it, &it survived I have been redline rail sniped by tanks so if they give vehicles a much needed buff they should not be able to go into the redzone. Also if you are in a tank u shouldn't be able to hear a dropship. Everyone else should. Also no more nerfs or buffs until we get new content
uh... no. gtfo. its ppl like you who destroy classes. see how the post is called " infaintry GTFO" ? were done making tanks easy mode for infaintry. were balancing it now |
DoomLead
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Posted - 2013.07.28 02:52:00 -
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I didn't disagree with his post I agreed I just added on and as a heavy we need a buff too so do the scouts they also need to release the pilot suit for you all |
Exmaple Core
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Posted - 2013.07.28 02:55:00 -
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DoomLead wrote:I didn't disagree with his post I agreed I just added on and as a heavy we need a buff too so do the scouts they also need to release the pilot suit for you all
the title of this thread is called "Player request for 1.4 patch (keep in mind, this is a vehical patch. Infaintry gtfo)". stop talking about dropsuits and GTFO. It clearly says infaintry GTFO |
Duran Lex
Silver Talon Corporation
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Posted - 2013.07.28 03:02:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:DoomLead wrote:All I have to say is I've been pinned by ads and I shot a proto swarm at it, &it survived I have been redline rail sniped by tanks so if they give vehicles a much needed buff they should not be able to go into the redzone. Also if you are in a tank u shouldn't be able to hear a dropship. Everyone else should. Also no more nerfs or buffs until we get new content uh... no. gtfo. its ppl like you who destroy classes. see how the post is called " infaintry GTFO" ? were done making tanks easy mode for infaintry. were balancing it now. If tanks can not travel in the red line they would be forever traped by invisible instalations, equally invisible forge gunners/swarmers on top of sky scrapers, and rail tanks. Also, tank drivers would never have a place to be call their vehicals in, they would always be in danger queing them up, EXPESCIALLY when their teams being redlined. Wtf are you talking about bro? get out of here
Strange, i thought this was in the general channel. But of course, you don't want to balance your vehicles, which is why you don't want infantry commenting with their opinions. Cause you know, balancing is a one sided coin that ignores all other aspects of the game, right?
Also, they "hope" to get the vehicle patch in by 1.4, but since its so large it might not happen till 1.5.
Aaaand you won't be getting your god mode tank requiring 3 proto AV's to focus fire just to bring you down. The are changing how vehicles and AV works.
No one wants god mode tanks like you had in chromosome (except you tankers of course), and we certainly don't want tank drivers to be forced to spend 6 months just to skill for a fit that won't pop when an AVer sneezes in their general direction.
Point is, the vehicle patch is going to be a balancing patch on both sides of the spectrum, not a buff to make already properly fitted tanks that take 6 forge gun shots (at the least) to take down, even more durable.
Balance |
DoomLead
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Posted - 2013.07.28 03:06:00 -
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You propably are a redline sniper and seeing as which I also have the sp invested in lavs I can post |
Exmaple Core
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Posted - 2013.07.28 03:31:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:DoomLead wrote:All I have to say is I've been pinned by ads and I shot a proto swarm at it, &it survived I have been redline rail sniped by tanks so if they give vehicles a much needed buff they should not be able to go into the redzone. Also if you are in a tank u shouldn't be able to hear a dropship. Everyone else should. Also no more nerfs or buffs until we get new content uh... no. gtfo. its ppl like you who destroy classes. see how the post is called " infaintry GTFO" ? were done making tanks easy mode for infaintry. were balancing it now. If tanks can not travel in the red line they would be forever traped by invisible instalations, equally invisible forge gunners/swarmers on top of sky scrapers, and rail tanks. Also, tank drivers would never have a place to be call their vehicals in, they would always be in danger queing them up, EXPESCIALLY when their teams being redlined. Wtf are you talking about bro? get out of here Strange, i thought this was in the general channel. But of course, you don't want to balance your vehicles, which is why you don't want infantry commenting with their opinions. Cause you know, balancing is a one sided coin that ignores all other aspects of the game, right? Also, they "hope" to get the vehicle patch in by 1.4, but since its so large it might not happen till 1.5. Aaaand you won't be getting your god mode tank requiring 3 proto AV's to focus fire just to bring you down. The are changing how vehicles and AV works. No one wants god mode tanks like you had in chromosome (except you tankers of course), and we certainly don't want tank drivers to be forced to spend 6 months just to skill for a fit that won't pop when an AVer sneezes in their general direction. Point is, the vehicle patch is going to be a balancing patch on both sides of the spectrum, not a buff to make already properly fitted tanks that take 6 forge gun shots (at the least) to take down, even more durable. Balance
your forge gun sucks alot of ass cuz proto forges kill very quickly. And no, as it says in the OP intelligent AV players are encouraged to post, not just any tard who thinks its a good idea to make sure tanks cant enter the redline, i just pointed out all the promblems of that. Also, were not asking for God mode tanks were asking for balance, as stated in the OP. If we wanted Godtanks we would be demanding buffs all across the board |
Exmaple Core
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Posted - 2013.07.28 03:32:00 -
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DoomLead wrote:You propably are a redline sniper and seeing as which I also have the sp invested in lavs I can post then... stop talking about infainty and talk about Lavs...? |
Green Living
0uter.Heaven EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.28 03:42:00 -
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Officer variants for all weapons currently missing them. I know it's a lot to ask for, but I want MOAR!
EDIT: I want to get my hands on a Officer Laser Rifle |
Duran Lex
Silver Talon Corporation
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Posted - 2013.07.28 03:46:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:
your forge gun sucks alot of ass cuz proto forges kill very quickly. And no, as it says in the OP intelligent AV players are encouraged to post, not just any tard who thinks its a good idea to make sure tanks cant enter the redline, i just pointed out all the promblems of that. Also, were not asking for God mode tanks were asking for balance, as stated in the OP. If we wanted Godtanks we would be demanding buffs all across the board
Holy ****, i think i was reading one of Charlotte O whatever's multiple threads and somehow popped into here when i tried to post.
Cause yea, your OP wasn't the one i was thinking and it IS indeed asking for balance on both sides. my apologies.
Maybe ill go to sleep now, way too tired it seems |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.07.28 03:49:00 -
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I hate to burst your bubble but if you read the AMA 1.4 is more infantry focused from early looks. Vehicles are simply too massive to squeeze into 1.4 and that would be changing far too much. |
Exmaple Core
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Posted - 2013.07.28 03:51:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I hate to burst your bubble but if you read the AMA 1.4 is more infantry focused from early looks. Vehicles are simply too massive to squeeze into 1.4 and that would be changing far too much. your kidding.... we have to wait more months for vehical balance??? |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.07.28 03:55:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I hate to burst your bubble but if you read the AMA 1.4 is more infantry focused from early looks. Vehicles are simply too massive to squeeze into 1.4 and that would be changing far too much. your kidding.... we have to wait more months for vehical balance???
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97190&p=1
read. listen. watch. |
Exmaple Core
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Posted - 2013.07.28 04:03:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I hate to burst your bubble but if you read the AMA 1.4 is more infantry focused from early looks. Vehicles are simply too massive to squeeze into 1.4 and that would be changing far too much. your kidding.... we have to wait more months for vehical balance??? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97190&p=1read. listen. watch.
Ah i see, the orginal word was 1.4 and i have unfortionetly been busy so i missed this post. Very good idea, and im greatful you took the time to do this and correct my thread. thanks sir, really sucks that its pushed back tho :/ |
Exmaple Core
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Posted - 2013.07.28 04:19:00 -
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still, lets post up some ideas here for CCP wolfman to balance the vehicals. keep this thread going |
Shattered Mirage
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2013.07.28 05:24:00 -
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Yeah... Nothing this massive is gonna happen most likely 'til 2.0 |
Raz Warsaw
Capital Acquisitions LLC
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Posted - 2013.07.28 06:44:00 -
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The only op LAV is the shield LAV because of its high resist and lack of proper av selection for shield tanked LAVs |
RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.28 07:46:00 -
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Armor Tanks-OK , needs some tweaking LLAV/LDS - Needs more AND encourage more usage of logistic modules. Shield Tanks - Needs some tweaking Scout LAVs - lol Assault Dropships- Fun but too rare |
Heimdallr69
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Posted - 2013.07.28 08:06:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:We the vehical players I don't remember saying you could speak for me. But I said he could speak for me which leads to we instead of I |
Exmaple Core
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Posted - 2013.07.28 08:08:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:We the vehical players I don't remember saying you could speak for me. But I said he could speak for me which leads to we instead of I
BAM!! get ****** |
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