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Zekain Kade
TeamPlayers
EoN.
1317
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:17:00 -
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I do.t use them, but even I think the nerfs might be a tad too much. |
Aquinarius Zoltanus
0uter.Heaven
EoN.
201
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:20:00 -
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I disagree, they're honestly not terrible. I bet no one will use them at first (because omg the got nerfed!), but then people will realize they're still pretty good.
I meant they took a hit to damage, splash radius and ammo capacity, all to be expected. But nothing happened to the fitting requirements or the rate of fire. They should still be decent. |
Pje251296
KILL ORDERS
79
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:20:00 -
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As long as they are still usable unlike previous guns then its all right. All in all I'm glad they balanced it. |
Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
171
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:21:00 -
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with skills, they'll have an 8 round clip now(outside of Minmatar Medium Specialization.).... no nerf to firing rate...... i dont see a nerf.. i see an adjustment. |
sixteensixty4
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:21:00 -
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I use them  to be fair, i specced into them on my tank toon just to see what they were like when they first come out, other than that he only has a milita ar, i know its noob tube, but whatever, theres alot nastier things out there that ohk from stupid distances
(yeah, for some reason i thought i should explain why i use it  )
the nerf sounds reasonable to me though |
CuuCH Crusher
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
145
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:22:00 -
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Nope. Fraylocks are sidearms. They should not be more powerful that primary weapons. Now it will take some actual skill to use them. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
340
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:22:00 -
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If you didn't rely on the Core and used the STD or ADV models of the flaylock these changes are just fine. |
Knight Soiaire
Better Hide R Die
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1384
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:22:00 -
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I'm going to start using them again \o/
I honestly think they shouldn't have touched Direct Damage though. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3101
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:24:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:with skills, they'll have an 8 round clip now(outside of Minmatar Medium Specialization.).... no nerf to firing rate...... i dont see a nerf.. i see an adjustment.
Yeah I agree with you. Damage was fine, didn't care about the splash, it was the damn spam and lenient fitting. So now they made it easier to fit with slightly less damage, less splash, but you can still spam it. Well, at least contact grenades took a big hit. |
Viktor Vikrizi
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
5
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:27:00 -
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I think its a step in the right direction. |
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Cosgar
ParagonX
3101
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:28:00 -
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CuuCH Crusher wrote:Nope. Fraylocks are sidearms. They should not be more powerful that primary weapons. Now it will take some actual skill to use them.
You do realize that all the sidearms have higher DPS than most light weapons right? Are you one of those people that tries to use an AR in CQC? |
Dust Project 514
Dust 514 Evolved
194
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:30:00 -
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Are you sure? The stats in the market display the same info as before. Maybe I will have to see for myself in the gameplay. |
Viktor Vikrizi
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
6
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:31:00 -
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Dust Project 514 wrote:Are you sure? The stats in the market display the same info as before. Maybe I will have to see for myself in the gameplay.
The update isnt out yet |
We are 138
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
155
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:32:00 -
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BWAHAHAHA AAAAAHHAHAHAHAAHA |
Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
171
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:36:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:CuuCH Crusher wrote:Nope. Fraylocks are sidearms. They should not be more powerful that primary weapons. Now it will take some actual skill to use them. You do realize that all the sidearms have higher DPS than most light weapons right? Are you one of those people that tries to use an AR in CQC?
i love my adv SMG ... my main proto gallente Logi suit uses it.
it carves up heavies at close range with some artful dodging, and with the optimal and falloff range changes, nets me assists from +50m.
Sidearms generally seem to be about shorter optimal range, higher dps, and thus situational. The changes outlined, mention as much.
:) |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3104
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:40:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:Cosgar wrote:CuuCH Crusher wrote:Nope. Fraylocks are sidearms. They should not be more powerful that primary weapons. Now it will take some actual skill to use them. You do realize that all the sidearms have higher DPS than most light weapons right? Are you one of those people that tries to use an AR in CQC? i love my adv SMG ... my main proto gallente Logi suit uses it. it carves up heavies at close range with some artful dodging, and with the optimal and falloff range changes, nets me assists from +50m. Sidearms generally seem to be about shorter optimal range, higher dps, and thus situational. The changes outlined, mention as much. :)
If you dig the ADV, wait until you try the Ishukone, that thing is a beast. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1747
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:41:00 -
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Nice one they replacing the skillbonus on flaylocks aswell. Previously you had a base blast radius of 2.0 meters on the core flaylock but with the skill (which you had to get anyway) you had a blast radius of 2.5 meters. With the upcoming changes it will go down to 1.5 meters which is basically -1meter on the blast radius. Furthermore they nerfed direct impact and splash damage. That beeing sayd have fun with your flaylocks. Piece of garbage that you people who specced into deserve. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3104
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:44:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Nice one they replacing the skillbonus on flaylocks aswell. Previously you had a base blast radius of 2.0 meters on the core flaylock but with the skill (which you had to get anyway) you had a blast radius of 2.5 meters. With the upcoming changes it will go down to 1.5 meters which is basically -1meter on the blast radius. Furthermore they nerfed direct impact and splash damage. That beeing sayd have fun with your flaylocks. Piece of garbage that you people who specced into deserve.
At least you can't blame the weapon when you die to it. Better learn to strafe. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1749
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:48:00 -
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Sure i can but now it makes it at least acceptable and not beeing viewed as the "i win" button. |
Brolaire of Asstoria
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:54:00 -
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Seems like a fair "adjustment" to me....
Still envisage a mass outcry on here about how its useless after 1.3 |
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Cosgar
ParagonX
3106
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:56:00 -
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Brolaire of Asstoria wrote:Seems like a fair "adjustment" to me....
Still envisage a mass outcry on here about how its useless after 1.3
I'm actually thinking about speccing into it on my main after trying it out. Now I don't have to be associated with the tryhards running around in CaLogi suits and driving LLAVs. |
Deluxe Edition
TeamPlayers
EoN.
611
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:57:00 -
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It won't be useless, actually might actually be better for a lot of people considering it can have an 8 round clip (not including minmitar bonuses). |
MlDDLE MANGEMENT
lMPurity
186
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:00:00 -
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You people realize flaylocks still have a semi-lock on function right? If you stopped spamming them like crazy you would see the lock box that it produces around a target. So yea they still have some really good function if you learn to use that feature. |
Zekain Kade
TeamPlayers
EoN.
1322
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:01:00 -
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Oh well, there's still the mass driver. |
sixteensixty4
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:02:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote: That beeing sayd have fun with your flaylocks. Piece of garbage that you people who specced into deserve.
Funny comment considering your whole corp were running the tac ar when it was blatently op after the others got range nerf |
ugg reset
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
333
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:03:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:with skills, they'll have an 8 round clip now(outside of Minmatar Medium Specialization.).... no nerf to firing rate...... i dont see a nerf.. i see an adjustment.
nope, mag size remains the same baring LVL V minmatar logi (bumping you to 4 per mag). you just got nerfed bro |
GTA-V FTW
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
102
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:03:00 -
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I use them and as long as they fix the issue of the projectile passing right thru the target then nerf is fine.
However if I take a shot and I see the missile pass right thru the target then meh, I will just start dumping SP's into SMG again.
Either way come September 17th I will not be playing this LOL lobby shooter anymore anyway. |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
361
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:06:00 -
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Nerf it til ping pong balls fall out of the barrel.
It's still more fun than an SMG and easier to sight up than a Scrambler Pistol. |
xLTShinySidesx
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
540
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:13:00 -
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I'll try it out before judging it.
To those who think the clip size is getting larger, you're wrong, you still get the standard 3 rounds per clip and 4 if you do the racial min bonus, the ammo pool they were talking about is the amount carried.
One thing I do wanna say though is if CCP wants to reward the skill shot then why did they lower the direct damage? |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5422
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:16:00 -
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They'll still be useful as a finisher weapon for me if I can't get them with my AR, and if I can not panic for a second, it might still help me take out scouts.
The reduction to splash radius is the biggest thing if you ask me, though maybe they could have used one extra round in the clip to compensate for the loss of damage a bit.
::shrugs::
I only use them as a sidearm, so I'm happy. |
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