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Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:40:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Well you need to delete the other two and let the assault guys handle everything.
You just need to rep them while they are doing it. Even if you are in a shield heavy squad that doesn't need reps. Just do it anyway. Ok, this is beyond getting hyperbolic. Ironically most of the people that I see actually saying a logi's hand should always have a rep tool are the ones saying it sarcastically. No one expects you to never defend yourself, but not being as efficient as assault at frontline work is totally reasonable.
Funny thing about this post as well is that all 3 of the fits have the logi drawing on benefits of their equipment, not the primary weapon slots. |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:53:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote: Recharge delay was 4/6. Regen rate is slow as ****.
Your point about most people prefering extra buffer is debatable and I don't care enough right now to look up % advantage in shield HP vs. disadvantage in shield regen (combined with speed regen also allows more effective use of cover, but w/e.. most people don't know how to do that). Coming from a Cal Assault to a Cal Logi I really, really miss my regen and would trade the assaults for it in a heartbeat. Rather have that than 5hp/s armor TBH.
People are mad because Cal Logis are hard to kill. Mindless nerd rage caused that to = "OMFG Cal Logis are so much more effective at killing things"... but it's just not true. They just (currently) live longer. Damage is not an even slate. Pointing out RE/Proxy damage is really really reaching just to avoid saying "yeah, you're right, assaults have higher DPS".
Living longer usually translates to killing more. Better regen is meaningless if you die because the other guy had a bigger buffer.
And damage usually is rather even. The assault bonuses don't allow for increased DPS, but rather is some cases increased DPS over time by reducing heat or reload. But again, if the death of either occurs before that bonus becomes a factor then, all other things being equal, yes, DPS was the same and eHP becomes the deciding element. Additionally, in the case of the Cal logi in particular, the highslot count and eHP/extender count went in the logi's favor, thus allowing the logi to have superior HP and DPS. |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:59:00 -
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IRON PATRIOT 1 wrote:Promethius Franklin wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:Well you need to delete the other two and let the assault guys handle everything.
You just need to rep them while they are doing it. Even if you are in a shield heavy squad that doesn't need reps. Just do it anyway. Ok, this is beyond getting hyperbolic. Ironically most of the people that I see actually saying a logi's hand should always have a rep tool are the ones saying it sarcastically. No one expects you to never defend yourself, but not being as efficient as assault at frontline work is totally reasonable. Funny thing about this post as well is that all 3 of the fits have the logi drawing on benefits of their equipment, not the primary weapon slots. I think he was being sarcastic. I know he was, which is why it was directed at him. |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
98
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Posted - 2013.07.23 21:15:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote: I do want discussion, but I've stated my playstyle and what I bring to the table.
You keep stating that I use the suit as an assault suit which is not the case.
Whatever man. We can keep talking.
I'm not sure what you and I are going to accomplish going back and forth though.
He does have a point. What you do sounds like a better fit for the assault save that you would have to choose between the nanohive or uplinks. Being logi and being on the front line needn't be mutually exclusive, but expecting to be the best option to be there isn't reasonably balanced. |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.23 21:29:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote: How is an assault guy fit proto repping hives, proto uplinks, and proto ammo hives?
Just curious?
How is an assault guy going to drop a 3 second spawn uplink while the other squad members are getting repped and getting ammo while I'm covering them doing so?
I can drop two of those proto healing hives and rep an entire squad to full health in seconds. Any guys that went down can be back in the fight in 3 seconds while we get our **** together. Everybody has full health and we are good to go in seconds.
The enemy doesn't have as much time to adapt as they normally would. You have to remember that the enemy that pushed your objective dropped a 3 second uplink nearby and is coming at you in a hurry.
But I'm going to stop. I'm tired of explaining what should be obvious.
Ok, so then the equipment is more important than the frontline role? If you want the equipment stay logi by all means. If you value the squad support then do as you have. That's not the feeling one gets from the op, but from this post it seems that way.
That said, that is the role of your suit, not the frontline work you mentioned in the op. Do the 2 need to be completely divorced? No, and they aren't, your suit just isn't designed to make you king at it. You had the answer to your question all along apparently. Why was this thread even created? |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
99
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Posted - 2013.07.23 21:30:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:I believe I can run the same suit I have now with 2x Complex CPU upgrades by dropping one of my regulators which is fine.
But my frustrations stem from this notion that I'm not a logi if I don't have a rep tool or that I can go 30-1 in a match as a logi.
While going 30-1 I can still accumulate more WP from support than killing. What is wrong with that? Serious question
What's wrong with both? Good question What is the assault for then? |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
99
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Posted - 2013.07.23 21:38:00 -
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XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:CCP should just take away the precious assault suits equipment slot and give the suit an extra high or low anyone spec'd into an assault suit should stay off this thread a logi is whatever a logi wants to be and do they have a set amount of equipment slots and I know they use every single one of them their needed on the frontline and their needed to stay back and cover the objectives What if you spec'd into both? The equipment alone guarantees I have more SP in my logi than my assault after taking the fitting into account, so how does that count? |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
99
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Posted - 2013.07.23 21:42:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote: I'm really starting to get a "Logis don't NEED a Light Weapon Slot" vibe from this thread.
Swapping it for a Sidearm Slot (or giving them a Logi Weapon Slot selection of Sidearm, LR, MD, PC, SL) doesn't remove anything necessary for using Equipment and it will help the Logi conform more to the "Support" role rather than this bastardized "Assport" role that seems to have developed.
That's definitely not how I mean to come across. In my opinion support includes fire support, especially in the case of trying to clear hostile stragglers for a safe friendly revive, etc. I'm not here to promote pigeonholing anyone, just to point out that not being the all around best is a non issue. |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
100
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Posted - 2013.07.23 23:18:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote: If you take away 53 CPU (that's the impact if skills are considered) then you take away the logi element and are left with only assault. It impacts the players using the suit as an assault suit ZERO.
I take it you are counting your module's effects in there? I can see the desired goal here: to force choices between equipment and other mods, and I agree it won't solve the problem since, for those that use it as an assault, the equipment is secondary. Those people have the HP nerf to deal with primarily though. Really I'm looking forward to the proper rebalance at this point. |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.24 01:40:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:I'm already running two enhanced CPU and one enhanced PG just so I can fill all my equipment slots, with the new nerf taking away 40+ (after bonuses) CPU on proto, I am going to be lucky if I can fit more than one equipment on my suit. Which ironically makes me even more like an assault, but much less effective. People keep saying it's a loss of 40-50+ after skills, Are all of you actually meaning to say after skills + CPU mods? |
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Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
105
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Posted - 2013.07.24 05:23:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Let's face facts here, the calogi was made into a scapegoat. For what? |
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