Tisk tisk SVER. You've given us such good battles. You show in your victories against us that you can do it without fused grenades. And then you fight us with your entire team using Fused Locusts Grenades. Wow. How awful.

You've lost our respect for that one. Massive loss of respect.

What an awful tactic by a corporation that is able, and has been able, to hold their own. Then they come out with that crap.

You've shamed your corp by using such terrible tactics.

Shame that your conquest is faring so poorly. That district is probably getting pretty expensive at this point.

It doesn't matter what was used, what matters is who are the loser and the winners. There is no rules in Dust.

Is it really all that different from corps that ran pre-nerf TAC AR almost exclusively? If I'm reading this rant correctly, you're saying. AUR items disqualify dudes from the coveted e-peen trophy, right? Maybe you guys should have switched to tanks. Lol

Tisk tisk SVER. You've given us such good battles. You show in your victories against us that you can do it without fused grenades. And then you fight us with your entire team using Fused Locusts Grenades. Wow. How awful.

You've lost our respect for that one. Massive loss of respect.

I think this might actually be appropriate:

Welcome to New Eden
Adapt or Die

Shame that your conquest is faring so poorly. That district is probably getting pretty expensive at this point.

You could call the Imps they probably would kick SEVR's ass again just to laugh

Canex, first of all, your one of the worst abusers of AOE weaponry. Flux nade and mass driver spam all day (or maybe that was somebody else on your team? idk..... too tired to remember). Your team, using core locus grenades backed by heavies backed by repping logis. You would even go as far as putting a dual core flaylock pistol user on a bridge overlooking one of the letters. Your upset we made a tactical decision as a team to use grenades? What are we supposed to do? Post a big sign on our asses and say "here you can ram it into us for free, and without fear of repercussions"?

The only reason we switched to grenade use is because its the only way to effectively combat what you guys were doing. Just because your not getting a 2 - 1 k/d every match now doesn't mean were being cheesy...... it just means were adjusting to the tactics that you guys have repeated consistently on the same map for the last 7 battles we've had with you. So yeah, sorry if you lost respect for us. That sort of things happens, and I wouldn't feel good about my opponent either if my record was 1 and 7......

And in conclusion...... If this was a first match that you sighted us using "contact nade spam" This is one loss of many...... Do you think if we used them or not, would it have made a difference? Im not trying to sound like a douche, but I mean...... how am I supposed to respond to a person that apparently lost all respect for my corp? Idk..... Sorry for the disappointment, if you are disappointed.

First -There "are" no rules- is what you meant to say. Second, we all know these are what the top corporations are making agreements on what to leave out of the battle. These treaties show the entire dust community that these weapons are really broken and unbalanced. To strictly use that as a tactic for victory is shameful and shows ones weakness.

So wait they used Logi's correctly and you told them that they are abusing game mechanics?

First -There "are" no rules- is what you meant to say. Second, we all know these are what the top corporations are making agreements on what to leave out of the battle. These treaties show the entire dust community that these weapons are really broken and unbalanced. To strictly use that as a tactic for victory is shameful and shows ones weakness.

So wait they used Logi's correctly and you told them that they are abusing game mechanics?

If anything the fact that they are using logis correctly in PC is amazing for the game! Why fight when you can both use Logi's correctly together!

This coming from a corp that is vehemently against flaylocks/fused locusts. Lemme guess, you're not even close to placing on the A team, are you?

Canex, first of all, your one of the worst abusers of AOE weaponry. Flux nade and mass driver spam all day (or maybe that was somebody else on your team? idk..... too tired to remember). Your team, using core locus grenades backed by heavies backed by repping logis. You would even go as far as putting a dual core flaylock pistol user on a bridge overlooking one of the letters. Your upset we made a tactical decision as a team to use grenades? What are we supposed to do? Post a big sign on our asses and say "here you can ram it into us for free, and without fear of repercussions"?

The only reason we switched to grenade use is because its the only way to effectively combat what you guys were doing. Just because your not getting a 2 - 1 k/d every match now doesn't mean were being cheesy...... it just means were adjusting to the tactics that you guys have repeated consistently on the same map for the last 7 battles we've had with you. So yeah, sorry if you lost respect for us. That sort of things happens, and I wouldn't feel good about my opponent either if my record was 1 and 7......

And in conclusion...... If this was a first match that you sighted us using "contact nade spam" This is one loss of many...... Do you think if we used them or not, would it have made a difference? Im not trying to sound like a douche, but I mean...... how am I supposed to respond to a person that apparently lost all respect for my corp? Idk..... Sorry for the disappointment, if you are disappointed.

A team that fields almost full team of Teamplayers ringers.

What'd you expect, and please dont group, Fused and the Flaylock with the MD.

And complaining about him using Flux? Lol, thats new, what are you a Cal Logi?

Man, that must suck. That many locusts must've eaten the entire district's crops.

Blah Blah Blah Blah

^-- Look at me, I've resulted to childish antics!

You again. Shame on you for being so ignorant to what it means to EARN a district. Shame on you.

After just coming out of a pub match, where almost a whole squad were carrying Core Flaylocks (DEFIANCE), I've got to say, I'm lead believe you play no different in PC matches.

I didn't even bother saying gg, because it wasn't even that.

It seems there is no place in Dust for diversity, and everything is about the FOTM to remain competitive, meanwhile, me in my Scout suit, am still trying to go strong, fighting through the nerfs, and CCP's love for all things Caldari and Assault/Logi.

I'm just glad I'm part of a Corp, where even if you've only got MLT items, you're allowed participate in these battles, some people may think thats stupid, but I think its cool.

Anyway, good luck capturing SVER Prime, its not personally something I'd try to do, because I believe better choices lie elsewhere on the Starmap, but hopefully something is planned.

Knight Soiaire, #1 For unbiased opinions

I've got a thread going for people to vote to remove contact grenades because I hate them and the concept. But until then I use abuse the hell out of them to get people angry about them, so CCP does something. Until then sorry you were on the receiving end.

i didn't play in this battle and have no idea what went on. I think a few people who play this game are sick of some weapons that are being used, but at the same time you can't really complain if someone uses them. The fact is we've been going at SVER for a while and have only won one battle. That is the only thing that matters, and the only thing people will remember. SVER haven't cheated in any way by using weapons that are available to them, or to anyone in our corp. TBH I'm a bit disappointed this thread was opened, it just made us look like poor losers.

Well your plan is working. I didn't think much of it until I met you in PC battles... My god you've blown me out of my socks with those things! Add me to the list of haters of contact grenades.

players will adapt on either side and use a mass driver.

Honestly, Can't blame STB. They are probably TeamPlayers biggest customer.
Quick can make enough money off the districts he bought from them to pay for his defenses + make up the money he paid for them in a month.
He just played the long game well and waited out the storm that was imps.
He will never be able to recruit great talent again and it would take stacking timers to break them again.
This time with a small alliance or two should do the trick.
TCD toxicated and dem durrty boys already broke off.
How many other corps with grow from them.
Aren't much different than PRO.
Just a bit smarter with their money.

They have a name from when they were successful back in the day.
If quick didn't have such a mouth they'd still be a top player.
Now they sit on high on 'Regnum's Shithole" simply cause they **** enough gold there to pay Cubs to look the other way to their farming.
Kinda weird Sha hasn't done the same TBQH.

And so it begins... I knew this day would come.

Nah... The core flaylock/fused ban resulted in the best matches in weeks. I advise everyone to consider such agreements.

First -There "are" no rules- is what you meant to say. Second, we all know these are what the top corporations are making agreements on what to leave out of the battle. These treaties show the entire dust community that these weapons are really broken and unbalanced. To strictly use that as a tactic for victory is shameful and shows ones weakness.

No problem that im aware of in regards to arranging some sort of agreement. Its just, we go an entire week, day after day, flaylock/mass driver spam. So what do we do? We bite back..... its not very complicated if you think about it

LOL. I have the battle recorded, and icedslayer have also we will upload video probably tomorrow. So you can all watch all this "nade spam". Also got footage of you guys camping over the bridge with fraylock over watching A. Anyways you guys where pretty good sport sad to see your corp go out in salty note. Just hold dat L over your chest and carry on bro.

Spoiler OP claim is highly exaggerated.

That's why you shouldn't make any agreements on what's allowed on the battlefield, it's pointless to try and trust the other side.

You again. Shame on you for being so ignorant to what it means to EARN a district. Shame on you.

i didn't play in this battle and have no idea what went on. I think a few people who play this game are sick of some weapons that are being used, but at the same time you can't really complain if someone uses them. The fact is we've been going at SVER for a while and have only won one battle. That is the only thing that matters, and the only thing people will remember. SVER haven't cheated in any way by using weapons that are available to them, or to anyone in our corp. TBH I'm a bit disappointed this thread was opened, it just made us look like poor losers.

Guys... STB as a whole do not condone or use on a regualar basis FP or Contact nades.

Wehave seen at least two or three of your guys 'camping' with said weapons whilst playing Corp matches. 9/10 they are your most effective players (Figure that!). Not once did we moan here (War forum).

So to combat said FP we run with contact nades, and now we get 'OMGAWD SVER IS SO BAD CONTACT NADE SPAM LOL'.

Well we have two choices here;
1. Either both comitt to NOT using FP or Contact nades. I will enforce this.
2. Escalate until its a pathetic 'i have more contact nades and FP than anyone else game' Which lets face it is boring.

So if you wish to 'man-up' and except the no FP or Contact nade rule then let me know, if not then be prepared to play the most boring losses of your life.

Guys... STB as a whole do not condone or use on a regualar basis FP or Contact nades.

Wehave seen at least two or three of your guys 'camping' with said weapons whilst playing Corp matches. 9/10 they are your most effective players (Figure that!). Not once did we moan here (War forum).

So to combat said FP we run with contact nades, and now we get 'OMGAWD SVER IS SO BAD CONTACT NADE SPAM LOL'.

Well we have two choices here;
1. Either both comitt to NOT using FP or Contact nades. I will enforce this.
2. Escalate until its a pathetic 'i have more contact nades and FP than anyone else game' Which lets face it is boring.

So if you wish to 'man-up' and except the no FP or Contact nade rule then let me know, if not then be prepared to play the most boring losses of your life.

Given the exchange of mails after battle I'm surprised you didn't raise this issue if you felt it was so abused. As I have said, I'm only aware of two players that use the flaylock and to my knowledge none of our guys have used contact grenades. Your 9/10 comment seems a bit out of line given until this battle I have been top on our side and you'll never see me use them. Also our logis and heavys are often near the top on our boards. I believe camps murdered the **** out of you guys last round and that was all heavy machine gun.

I will say this thread started as a frustrated vent after a rather unpleasant battle. So let me say I still respect you guys but that battle really made me hate that contact grenade with a passion.

I hate telling my guys what to use, just as I never complained about the contact grenades in previous battles, it just gets a bit out of hand when a large number of players on one side uses a weapon that is iffy balance wise.

If the only way to prevent the mass contact grenades I saw last night is a full agreement to not use those two weapons that can be arranged, personally I prefer to just keep things reasonable and not have a large number of guys come out with the same weapon.

So, that's a "No" I think.
On second look, it appears to be a weak and uncertain "Yes".

There is nothing weak or uncertain about it in my mind. It's me saying that I don't tell any of my guys what to use or not to use normally and i'm sure we all wish that there were not some weapons in the game that could be abused in such a way so we wouldn't have to even discuss this.

It looks like CCP is addressing the Flaylock issue although i'm not sure the Contact Grenades will be fixed in PC battles (it will fix it in public matches though I bet):

http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/07/explosive-dampening-weapon-rebalancing-in-uprising-1.3/

I'm saying if the only way from having you guys stop spamming that contact grenade is to have a couple of my guys stop using the flaylock then sure, that can be arranged. On the other hand, if a couple of you roll with contact grenades and a couple of my guys have the flaylock, then honestly it seems somewhat balanced. It's just when there is mass use of one weapon that might very well not be balanced at the moment that issues arise.

If I'm being honest, you should just agree to a Light Frame melee match.

PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO US SCOUTS!

So what I got out of this post was....

"Because your corp actually put up multiple close battles when they were out cloned 4:1 almost every match, managed to beat us once, we decided to resort to extremely hack, blatantly obvious pay-to-win tactics"

I guess I should feel honored that such a prestigious corporation such as yourself had to fall back on such tactics to beat a corp coming at you with 100 clones. Thank you :)

Unfortunately this is simply not true. Lots of 'agreements' were made during the war with eon and loi, and only team players vs hellstorm to my knowledge actually held that agreement, throughout dozens of matches.

I can gladly say it helped to provide some outstanding, competitive matches that both sides left the field with their heads held high.

But never expect an agreement. We were ready to bring out that crap as soon as they did, but my guys have the discipline to wait for the kill feed to give the green light. Once again I commend hellstorm for their diligence on that.

Flaylocks getting nerfed within a week anyway, and fused nades have been around forever. Its when both are present is when things tend to get ugly.

Earning districts is certainly commendable, but you do realize there are 2 entire planets of corps that have similar experience as you. STB has been around since the beginning of PC. They have taken on the best, many times. They know what it takes to win, and their take great pride in their land, as does everyone. You cannot fault them for defending their land by any means necessary.

Sure its cheesy, but the victory screen is the reason we all play this game

I wished you guys had the good battles recorded where the screen goes black for a sec and neither side knows who won. Happened twice and those were the best games in my opinion. Unfortunately none of us can record at the moment.

I will point out that a kill feed is not always a clear representation of what is really being used... But enjoy the video, cause that game I sucked it up... Flux / fused grenades combo were my undoing.

That match didn't look to bad, its what I'd have expected from a PC match.

You could use some more experience with tanking , (04:46) I was almost shouting at my screen, really, when you're that overwhelmed by AV, you should retreat, or at least shoot at the players with the AV

And if I'm being really honest, both teams could use a Winmatar Scout

i posted this last night, mainly to try and defuse a situation i could see getting out of hand. Cenex is a good person, and everyone is entitled to rage every now and then, and i daresay 95% of the people who have posted on this thread have at one time or another. Hell i can rage with the best of them. I have enjoyed playing SVER in many games, along with most of the top corps. i know most of the time I'll get my butt kicked but its a rush playing the top players in this game, people flooding towards you hell bent on your destruction. And long may that continue

We actually had a winmatar scout, I just ordered him to do semi-specific things during the match so its unlikely you saw him much, if not at all. As for the tanks, generally they have orders they have to follow too, though I haven't seen the video so I cant completely vouch for the driver in question. Lol but in my mind, For every man that's spending time Throwing AV nades at tanks, that's one less man they could have shooting us. But maybe that's a bit narrow minded? Who knows :/

Here's the nade spam of the century. Props to icedslayer our combat camera and sub machine gun slayer. Good **** to our scout team fending off a point from multiple tanks.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvBNVQe0i-c&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Soooooo. Your weakness is fused locust grenades? Gotcha!

First -There "are" no rules- is what you meant to say. Second, we all know these are what the top corporations are making agreements on what to leave out of the battle. These treaties show the entire dust community that these weapons are really broken and unbalanced. To strictly use that as a tactic for victory is shameful and shows ones weakness.

Wait, Dark Legion is fighting in PC?

I thought they were a flaylock-only gimmick corp.

Out of 97 kills by STB - 30 of them were Fused Locus.

hey smart guy u sit here and talk about tactics, what the hell do u think they just did? you all say "no nades in battle" so why wouldn't they exploit the fact that u are not using them and that they are BATTLING AGAINST YOU and use anything in their arsenal to kill you and obviously win. -1 for cryin on a forum. and -1 for trying to organize a battle against an opponent... yes cause that seems to work so well in real life lets try it in a game....


complete fail!

Lul.

Goonfeet.....

TBH, he is right