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Cenex Langly
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Posted - 2013.07.23 01:39:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:A team that fields almost full team of Teamplayers ringers. What'd you expect, and please dont group, Fused and the Flaylock with the MD. And complaining about him using Flux? Lol, thats new, what are you a Cal Logi?
He acts as if I just started using this tactic. I've been doing it since February, since before uprising was even brought to the publics attention. I've haven't changed my primary weapon in 4 months. I've used the same tactic when they were useless, and the same tactic when they've been revived to useful again.
Plus, a weapon that can insta-kill in one hit, vs a tactic that requires a grenade plus several rounds (each firing a second apart). If that's cheating then I'm not sure what isn't cheating.
I'm not calling SVER cheaters now, so don't misuse my words. I'm saying that their tactic to use a well known unbalanced weapon, with which many alliances are banning from their own PC battles, shows their cowardice and their weakness. It's shameful. |
Knight Soiaire
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.23 01:39:00 -
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After just coming out of a pub match, where almost a whole squad were carrying Core Flaylocks (DEFIANCE), I've got to say, I'm lead believe you play no different in PC matches.
I didn't even bother saying gg, because it wasn't even that.
It seems there is no place in Dust for diversity, and everything is about the FOTM to remain competitive, meanwhile, me in my Scout suit, am still trying to go strong, fighting through the nerfs, and CCP's love for all things Caldari and Assault/Logi.
I'm just glad I'm part of a Corp, where even if you've only got MLT items, you're allowed participate in these battles, some people may think thats stupid, but I think its cool.
Anyway, good luck capturing SVER Prime, its not personally something I'd try to do, because I believe better choices lie elsewhere on the Starmap, but hopefully something is planned.
Knight Soiaire, #1 For unbiased opinions |
Green Living
0uter.Heaven EoN.
676
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Posted - 2013.07.23 01:52:00 -
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Poplo Furuya wrote:Man, that must suck. That many locusts must've eaten the entire district's crops.
hahaha you're killing me smalls! |
Fiddlestaxp
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 01:57:00 -
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From This Thread. from one day earlier in General Discussion.
Cenex Langly wrote:Fiddlestaxp wrote: If I had the power to change the mechanics I would have by now. But I don't. Read the thread from start to finish. I offer suggestions that would fix the mechanic and then offer you a temporary fix. Buy a district from somebody else... Could care less. Accusing me of being a profiteer isn't going to help you though. Fact is, without new blood in PC this game will die(many proclaim it dead already). We would make more money sitting on our districts than selling them.
Blah Blah Blah Blah ^-- Look at me, I've resulted to childish antics!
The two threads are brothers and don't deserve to be separated. |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 02:05:00 -
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Cenex Langly wrote:Fiddlestaxp wrote:Cenex Langly wrote:What an awful tactic by a corporation that is able, and has been able, to hold their own. Then they come out with that crap.
You've shamed your corp by using such terrible tactics. Shame that your conquest is faring so poorly. That district is probably getting pretty expensive at this point. You again. Shame on you for being so ignorant to what it means to EARN a district. Shame on you.
u new here? |
ragewardog
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.07.23 02:05:00 -
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aside from all the crying great games guys ive had a blast taking on your tanks |
RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.23 02:08:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:After just coming out of a pub match, where almost a whole squad were carrying Core Flaylocks (DEFIANCE), I've got to say, I'm lead believe you play no different in PC matches. I didn't even bother saying gg, because it wasn't even that. It seems there is no place in Dust for diversity, and everything is about the FOTM to remain competitive, meanwhile, me in my Scout suit, am still trying to go strong, fighting through the nerfs, and CCP's love for all things Caldari and Assault/Logi. I'm just glad I'm part of a Corp, where even if you've only got MLT items, you're allowed participate in these battles, some people may think thats stupid, but I think its cool. Anyway, good luck capturing SVER Prime, its not personally something I'd try to do, because I believe better choices lie elsewhere on the Starmap, but hopefully something is planned. Knight Soiaire, #1 For unbiased opinions you silenced 'em well |
Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.23 02:13:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:I've got a thread going for people to vote to remove contact grenades because I hate them and the concept. But until then I use abuse the hell out of them to get people angry about them, so CCP does something. Until then sorry you were on the receiving end.
Well your plan is working. I didn't think much of it until I met you in PC battles... My god you've blown me out of my socks with those things! Add me to the list of haters of contact grenades. |
Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.23 02:19:00 -
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I will be the first to say I hate the flaylock and have never personally used it. That said, I believe there is only two or so on our squads we've been bringing that use it and it is currently how it is as much as we all hate it to some degree.
I think Cenex is frustrated at the mass use of contact grenades which is understandable. We all have our own limit to some tactics ... by god don't get me started on people throwing remote explosives at your feet for insta kills! Enough said. |
Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.23 02:30:00 -
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dazlb72 wrote:i didn't play in this battle and have no idea what went on. I think a few people who play this game are sick of some weapons that are being used, but at the same time you can't really complain if someone uses them. The fact is we've been going at SVER for a while and have only won one battle. That is the only thing that matters, and the only thing people will remember. SVER haven't cheated in any way by using weapons that are available to them, or to anyone in our corp. TBH I'm a bit disappointed this thread was opened, it just made us look like poor losers.
I disagree with what will be remembered portion. We've learned a lot and I would think earned the respect of our enemies on a number of these battles. If we had a tad more then the 100 clones i would think there would be a decent chance of a different outcome on who currently holds that planet. This last battle felt like crap, but I've enjoyed all the others (minus the one with lag).
Frustrations vented, lets hope issues with certain weapon balance are fixed by CCP... One day. :) |
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stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.07.23 02:48:00 -
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Ares 514 wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote:I've got a thread going for people to vote to remove contact grenades because I hate them and the concept. But until then I use abuse the hell out of them to get people angry about them, so CCP does something. Until then sorry you were on the receiving end. Well your plan is working. I didn't think much of it until I met you in PC battles... My god you've blown me out of my socks with those things! Add me to the list of haters of contact grenades. Here is the thread, feel free to vote and show your disapproval. |
OP's Dirty Secret
MoIon Labe.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 02:56:00 -
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Honestly, Can't blame STB. They are probably TeamPlayers biggest customer. Quick can make enough money off the districts he bought from them to pay for his defenses and make up the money he paid for them in a month. He just played the long game well and waited out the storm that was imps. He will never be able to recruit great talent again, and it would take stacking timers to break them again, just this time with a small alliance or two. TCD toxicated and dem durrty boys already broke off, how many other corps with grow from them, they aren't much different than PRO, just a bit smarter with their money and they have a name from when they were successful back in the day. If quick didn't have such a mouth they'd still be a top player, now they sit on high on stb simply cause they **** enough gold to pay Cubs to look the other way to their farming. Kinda weird sha hasn't done the same TBQH. |
DJINN Kujo
Who Gives A Flux
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Posted - 2013.07.23 03:37:00 -
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Maybe talk to them before game to come to some kind of agreement?
I know a lot of people really enjoyed no using Flaylock Pistols or Contact Grenades. It really brought this game back to where it used to be, back into some CQC fights which I know a lot of the veteran players really miss.
Of course even with a such agreement, you have to keep in mind, players will adapt on either side and use a mass driver. Not saying it's trash etc. cause the mass driver got nerfed really hard at the beginning of Uprising, nerfed enough for nobody to use them. So to see them come out again is actually nice to see. Goes to show that the game is not forgetting it's roots of deviation.
Good luck in your future fights, you should look into streaming them, Dust community loves that kind of stuff. |
Fiddlestaxp
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 04:00:00 -
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DJINN Kujo wrote: players will adapt on either side and use a mass driver. And so it begins... I knew this day would come.
Nah... The core flaylock/fused ban resulted in the best matches in weeks. I advise everyone to consider such agreements. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.07.23 04:19:00 -
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OP's Dirty Secret wrote:Honestly, Can't blame STB. They are probably TeamPlayers biggest customer. Quick can make enough money off the districts he bought from them to pay for his defenses + make up the money he paid for them in a month. He just played the long game well and waited out the storm that was imps. He will never be able to recruit great talent again and it would take stacking timers to break them again. This time with a small alliance or two should do the trick. TCD toxicated and dem durrty boys already broke off. How many other corps with grow from them. Aren't much different than PRO. Just a bit smarter with their money.
They have a name from when they were successful back in the day. If quick didn't have such a mouth they'd still be a top player. Now they sit on high on 'Regnum's Shithole" simply cause they **** enough gold there to pay Cubs to look the other way to their farming. Kinda weird Sha hasn't done the same TBQH.
Wow...... you have a lot of..... unbiased opinions? I suppose? By what your saying i'd imagine that we have a corp full of rich directors a few unlucky suckers. Lol, if only that was true. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood
656
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Posted - 2013.07.23 04:21:00 -
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Fiddlestaxp wrote:DJINN Kujo wrote: players will adapt on either side and use a mass driver. And so it begins... I knew this day would come. Nah... The core flaylock/fused ban resulted in the best matches in weeks. I advise everyone to consider such agreements.
No problem that im aware of in regards to arranging some sort of agreement. Its just, we go an entire week, day after day, flaylock/mass driver spam. So what do we do? We bite back..... its not very complicated if you think about it |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 04:28:00 -
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Cenex Langly wrote:WhiteMage7322 wrote:It doesn't matter what was used, what matters is who are the loser and the winners. There is no rules in Dust. First -There "are" no rules- is what you meant to say. Second, we all know these are what the top corporations are making agreements on what to leave out of the battle. These treaties show the entire dust community that these weapons are really broken and unbalanced. To strictly use that as a tactic for victory is shameful and shows ones weakness.
Unfortunately this is simply not true. Lots of 'agreements' were made during the war with eon and loi, and only team players vs hellstorm to my knowledge actually held that agreement, throughout dozens of matches.
I can gladly say it helped to provide some outstanding, competitive matches that both sides left the field with their heads held high.
But never expect an agreement. We were ready to bring out that crap as soon as they did, but my guys have the discipline to wait for the kill feed to give the green light. Once again I commend hellstorm for their diligence on that.
Flaylocks getting nerfed within a week anyway, and fused nades have been around forever. Its when both are present is when things tend to get ugly.
Earning districts is certainly commendable, but you do realize there are 2 entire planets of corps that have similar experience as you. STB has been around since the beginning of PC. They have taken on the best, many times. They know what it takes to win, and their take great pride in their land, as does everyone. You cannot fault them for defending their land by any means necessary.
Sure its cheesy, but the victory screen is the reason we all play this game
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Cenex Langly
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.23 04:32:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Fiddlestaxp wrote:DJINN Kujo wrote: players will adapt on either side and use a mass driver. And so it begins... I knew this day would come. Nah... The core flaylock/fused ban resulted in the best matches in weeks. I advise everyone to consider such agreements. No problem that im aware of in regards to arranging some sort of agreement. Its just, we go an entire week, day after day, flaylock/mass driver spam. So what do we do? We bite back..... its not very complicated if you think about it
By my count, only one person was using a mass driver (me). Which I've used since well before Uprising. And 2 people were using Flay Locks. One in particular, the other as a "sidearm" for a forge gun, only shooting tanks. That's a lot of spam... |
Chesty Ranger
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.07.23 04:34:00 -
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LOL. I have the battle recorded, and icedslayer have also we will upload video probably tomorrow. So you can all watch all this "nade spam". Also got footage of you guys camping over the bridge with fraylock over watching A. Anyways you guys where pretty good sport sad to see your corp go out in salty note. Just hold dat L over your chest and carry on bro.
Spoiler OP claim is highly exaggerated. |
Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.23 04:49:00 -
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Chesty Ranger wrote:LOL. I have the battle recorded, and icedslayer have also we will upload video probably tomorrow. So you can all watch all this "nade spam". Also got footage of you guys camping over the bridge with fraylock over watching A. Anyways you guys where pretty good sport sad to see your corp go out in salty note. Just hold dat L over your chest and carry on bro.
Spoiler OP claim is highly exaggerated.
I wished you guys had the good battles recorded where the screen goes black for a sec and neither side knows who won. Happened twice and those were the best games in my opinion. Unfortunately none of us can record at the moment.
I will point out that a kill feed is not always a clear representation of what is really being used... But enjoy the video, cause that game I sucked it up... Flux / fused grenades combo were my undoing. |
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Gods Architect
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.07.23 06:21:00 -
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I wasted 10 minutes of my life reading this thread instead of sleeping with my fianc+Že. What a waste of digital space. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 09:32:00 -
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da GAND wrote:That's why you shouldn't make any agreements on what's allowed on the battlefield, it's pointless to try and trust the other side.
Hellstorm held their word on the agreement we had. SyN / TP vs HS had fused + flaylock pistol - LESS games. It's a sign of mutual respect. People wanted good games with each other, not a explosion spamfest.
Good fights were had. Winning or losing. I guess that's what adults do, make an agreement and stick to it |
Knight Soiaire
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Posted - 2013.07.23 11:28:00 -
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That match didn't look to bad, its what I'd have expected from a PC match.
You could use some more experience with tanking , (04:46) I was almost shouting at my screen, really, when you're that overwhelmed by AV, you should retreat, or at least shoot at the players with the AV
And if I'm being really honest, both teams could use a Winmatar Scout |
Exergonic
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 11:53:00 -
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Cenex Langly wrote:Fiddlestaxp wrote:Cenex Langly wrote:What an awful tactic by a corporation that is able, and has been able, to hold their own. Then they come out with that crap.
You've shamed your corp by using such terrible tactics. Shame that your conquest is faring so poorly. That district is probably getting pretty expensive at this point. You again. Shame on you for being so ignorant to what it means to EARN a district. Shame on you.
Wait are you saying Teamplayers doesn't know what its like to EARN a district?? JW |
dazlb72
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.23 12:32:00 -
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dazlb72 wrote:i didn't play in this battle and have no idea what went on. I think a few people who play this game are sick of some weapons that are being used, but at the same time you can't really complain if someone uses them. The fact is we've been going at SVER for a while and have only won one battle. That is the only thing that matters, and the only thing people will remember. SVER haven't cheated in any way by using weapons that are available to them, or to anyone in our corp. TBH I'm a bit disappointed this thread was opened, it just made us look like poor losers.
i posted this last night, mainly to try and defuse a situation i could see getting out of hand. Cenex is a good person, and everyone is entitled to rage every now and then, and i daresay 95% of the people who have posted on this thread have at one time or another. Hell i can rage with the best of them. I have enjoyed playing SVER in many games, along with most of the top corps. i know most of the time I'll get my butt kicked but its a rush playing the top players in this game, people flooding towards you hell bent on your destruction. And long may that continue
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Guinevere Bravo
SVER True Blood
266
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Posted - 2013.07.23 13:40:00 -
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Guys... STB as a whole do not condone or use on a regualar basis FP or Contact nades.
Wehave seen at least two or three of your guys 'camping' with said weapons whilst playing Corp matches. 9/10 they are your most effective players (Figure that!). Not once did we moan here (War forum).
So to combat said FP we run with contact nades, and now we get 'OMGAWD SVER IS SO BAD CONTACT NADE SPAM LOL'.
Well we have two choices here; 1. Either both comitt to NOT using FP or Contact nades. I will enforce this. 2. Escalate until its a pathetic 'i have more contact nades and FP than anyone else game' Which lets face it is boring.
So if you wish to 'man-up' and except the no FP or Contact nade rule then let me know, if not then be prepared to play the most boring losses of your life. |
Rupture Reaperson
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
255
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Posted - 2013.07.23 13:52:00 -
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All i got from this thread |
OP's Dirty Secret
MoIon Labe.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:41:00 -
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Guinevere Bravo wrote:Guys... STB as a whole do not condone or use on a regualar basis FP or Contact nades.
Wehave seen at least two or three of your guys 'camping' with said weapons whilst playing Corp matches. 9/10 they are your most effective players (Figure that!). Not once did we moan here (War forum).
So to combat said FP we run with contact nades, and now we get 'OMGAWD SVER IS SO BAD CONTACT NADE SPAM LOL'.
Well we have two choices here; 1. Either both comitt to NOT using FP or Contact nades. I will enforce this. 2. Escalate until its a pathetic 'i have more contact nades and FP than anyone else game' Which lets face it is boring.
So if you wish to 'man-up' and except the no FP or Contact nade rule then let me know, if not then be prepared to play the most boring losses of your life.
There ya go, let's see if they accept! If they do good on em and we leave it to you to post the results. If they don't agree then their loss you offered. |
Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.23 15:19:00 -
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Guinevere Bravo wrote:Guys... STB as a whole do not condone or use on a regualar basis FP or Contact nades.
Wehave seen at least two or three of your guys 'camping' with said weapons whilst playing Corp matches. 9/10 they are your most effective players (Figure that!). Not once did we moan here (War forum).
So to combat said FP we run with contact nades, and now we get 'OMGAWD SVER IS SO BAD CONTACT NADE SPAM LOL'.
Well we have two choices here; 1. Either both comitt to NOT using FP or Contact nades. I will enforce this. 2. Escalate until its a pathetic 'i have more contact nades and FP than anyone else game' Which lets face it is boring.
So if you wish to 'man-up' and except the no FP or Contact nade rule then let me know, if not then be prepared to play the most boring losses of your life.
Given the exchange of mails after battle I'm surprised you didn't raise this issue if you felt it was so abused. As I have said, I'm only aware of two players that use the flaylock and to my knowledge none of our guys have used contact grenades. Your 9/10 comment seems a bit out of line given until this battle I have been top on our side and you'll never see me use them. Also our logis and heavys are often near the top on our boards. I believe camps murdered the **** out of you guys last round and that was all heavy machine gun.
I will say this thread started as a frustrated vent after a rather unpleasant battle. So let me say I still respect you guys but that battle really made me hate that contact grenade with a passion.
I hate telling my guys what to use, just as I never complained about the contact grenades in previous battles, it just gets a bit out of hand when a large number of players on one side uses a weapon that is iffy balance wise.
If the only way to prevent the mass contact grenades I saw last night is a full agreement to not use those two weapons that can be arranged, personally I prefer to just keep things reasonable and not have a large number of guys come out with the same weapon. |
Fiddlestaxp
TeamPlayers EoN.
258
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Posted - 2013.07.23 16:52:00 -
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Ares 514 wrote:Guinevere Bravo wrote:Guys... STB as a whole do not condone or use on a regualar basis FP or Contact nades.
Wehave seen at least two or three of your guys 'camping' with said weapons whilst playing Corp matches. 9/10 they are your most effective players (Figure that!). Not once did we moan here (War forum).
So to combat said FP we run with contact nades, and now we get 'OMGAWD SVER IS SO BAD CONTACT NADE SPAM LOL'.
Well we have two choices here; 1. Either both comitt to NOT using FP or Contact nades. I will enforce this. 2. Escalate until its a pathetic 'i have more contact nades and FP than anyone else game' Which lets face it is boring.
So if you wish to 'man-up' and except the no FP or Contact nade rule then let me know, if not then be prepared to play the most boring losses of your life. Given the exchange of mails after battle I'm surprised you didn't raise this issue if you felt it was so abused. As I have said, I'm only aware of two players that use the flaylock and to my knowledge none of our guys have used contact grenades. Your 9/10 comment seems a bit out of line given until this battle I have been top on our side and you'll never see me use them. Also our logis and heavys are often near the top on our boards. I believe camps murdered the **** out of you guys last round and that was all heavy machine gun. I will say this thread started as a frustrated vent after a rather unpleasant battle. So let me say I still respect you guys but that battle really made me hate that contact grenade with a passion. I hate telling my guys what to use, just as I never complained about the contact grenades in previous battles, it just gets a bit out of hand when a large number of players on one side uses a weapon that is iffy balance wise. If the only way to prevent the mass contact grenades I saw last night is a full agreement to not use those two weapons that can be arranged, personally I prefer to just keep things reasonable and not have a large number of guys come out with the same weapon.
So, that's a "No" I think. On second look, it appears to be a weak and uncertain "Yes". |
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