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zzZaXxx
The Exemplars Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.22 23:09:00 -
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This nerf is to keep assault logis from running low equipment OP fits right? Ok, well here's a suggestion:
Require all logis to fit a minimum CPU/PG value of equipment (50/10 for advanced?) in order for the fitting to be valid. The gun can be optional instead! This would accomplish 2 things:
a) Assault logis would be forced to expend a minimum CPU/PG on equipment.
b) A logi could choose to focus entirely on equipment and tank/speed and have no weapon (probably a bad idea but interesting).
What do you think? This could make it unnecessary change logis at all, much less remove the Cal Logi's 20 CPU.
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Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
760
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Posted - 2013.07.22 23:22:00 -
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Something to the same effect but much more intuitive would be a sharp nerf to CPU/PG and a corresponding fitting cost reduction for equipment.
They're already working on a system that allows that kind of suit bonuses.
And let's wait how the changes turn out before fixing "issues" that no one knows if they actually exist yet. |
SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion
101
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Posted - 2013.07.22 23:30:00 -
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three compact nanohives. Go. |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
760
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Posted - 2013.07.22 23:32:00 -
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SponkSponkSponk wrote:three compact nanohives. Go. He actually adressed this by requiring a minimum PG/CPU used by equipment to validate the fit. Not an idea that i like too much but still...
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Killar-12
Intrepidus XI EoN.
243
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Posted - 2013.07.23 01:07:00 -
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SponkSponkSponk wrote:three compact nanohives. Go. how much CPU/PG do they take? |
IrishWebster
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
55
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Posted - 2013.07.23 01:40:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:This nerf is to keep assault logis from running low equipment OP fits right? Ok, well here's a suggestion:
Require all logis to fit a minimum CPU/PG value of equipment (50/10 for advanced?) in order for the fitting to be valid. The gun can be optional instead! This would accomplish 2 things:
a) Assault logis would be forced to expend a minimum CPU/PG on equipment.
b) A logi could choose to focus entirely on equipment and tank/speed and have no weapon (probably a bad idea but interesting).
What do you think? This could make it unnecessary change logis at all, much less remove the Cal Logi's 20 CPU.
You sir, are a genius. +1, and you have my vote. |
RINON114
B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance
320
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Posted - 2013.07.23 02:31:00 -
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I couldn't agree more, this is perfect! +1 |
ALPHA DECRIPTER
M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
139
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Posted - 2013.07.23 02:33:00 -
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Standard Amarr would probably have a problem with this |
Garth Mandra
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.07.23 02:36:00 -
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This is not a fix. This is a bandaid.
When/if CCP manages to balance the suits properly arbitrary rules like the one the OP suggested won't be required.
Incidentally I we should be able to deploy in vehicles with no or missing turrets, in dropsuits with no weapons etc. This is supposed to be a sandbox so we should be able to do whatever we want even if it is probably stupid. |
Killar-12
Intrepidus XI EoN.
273
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Posted - 2013.07.23 02:40:00 -
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Garth Mandra wrote:This is not a fix. This is a bandaid.
When/if CCP manages to balance the suits properly arbitrary rules like the one the OP suggested won't be required.
Incidentally I we should be able to deploy in vehicles with no or missing turrets, in dropsuits with no weapons etc. This is supposed to be a sandbox so we should be able to do whatever we want even if it is probably stupid. Band-aids are helpful though |
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ALPHA DECRIPTER
M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
140
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Posted - 2013.07.23 02:41:00 -
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Garth Mandra wrote:This is not a fix. This is a bandaid.
When/if CCP manages to balance the suits properly arbitrary rules like the one the OP suggested won't be required.
Incidentally I we should be able to deploy in vehicles with no or missing turrets, in dropsuits with no weapons etc. This is supposed to be a sandbox so we should be able to do whatever we want even if it is probably stupid.
Weapons are optional? I can really get behind that. If you use LAVs to just get around then it is a waste of money to actually buy a turret for the dam thing. Some Logis literally only use weapons because it is required. If they allowed you to punch (obviously the dmg would be low) and choose not to use weapons at all then logis could really fit themselves for full support. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3045
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Posted - 2013.07.23 03:24:00 -
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I think you missed the point. It was the CaLogi that was OP because of it's crazy racial bonus that gave it more of a HP buffer than a heavy. The other suits are fine while the Amarr needed a buff, which it finally got. If you're getting killed by a player in a logistics suit, you got killed by a player in a logistics suit. Last time I checked, you're supposed to be able to kill in a FPS. There's no Geneva Convention in New Eden. |
zzZaXxx
The Exemplars Top Men.
124
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Posted - 2013.07.23 03:30:00 -
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ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote:Standard Amarr would probably have a problem with this
All standards would have lower requirements, and Amarr even less.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
3046
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Posted - 2013.07.23 03:35:00 -
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Also, would you mind providing examples how all[ logi suits are better than assaults? You know with fitting examples, variables, and such. I keep hearing people complain about how all logis are better assaults but nobody can give an example outside of talking about trees, flowers and their feelings. This debate has been going on for 2 months and I've only seen one person provide an example of how the CaLogi was completely broken compared to all the other logistics suits. |
N1ck Comeau
Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy
813
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Posted - 2013.07.23 03:56:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Also, would you mind providing examples how all[ logi suits are better than assaults? You know with fitting examples, variables, and such. I keep hearing people complain about how all logis are better assaults but nobody can give an example outside of talking about trees, flowers and their feelings. This debate has been going on for 2 months and I've only seen one person provide an example of how the CaLogi was completely broken compared to all the other logistics suits. Lots of high/low/equipment slots tends to make someone a aggressive player. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3047
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Posted - 2013.07.23 04:04:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:Cosgar wrote:Also, would you mind providing examples how all[ logi suits are better than assaults? You know with fitting examples, variables, and such. I keep hearing people complain about how all logis are better assaults but nobody can give an example outside of talking about trees, flowers and their feelings. This debate has been going on for 2 months and I've only seen one person provide an example of how the CaLogi was completely broken compared to all the other logistics suits. Lots of high/low/equipment slots tends to make someone a aggressive player. Riiight, I think we're done here. Like everyone else, you're jumping on the "X is OP" because you can't even explain why it's OP. (If it is) People get kills in logistics suits because most of them are good at First Person Shooters. Everyone is buthurt because one suit was OP and they want to penalize the others that had nothing to do with the initial suit. Until you can give me some hard numbers or some kind of example of how all of the racial logis > racial assaults through examples, this thread is a waste of time.
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ALPHA DECRIPTER
M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
142
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Posted - 2013.07.23 11:49:00 -
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Cosgar wrote: Riiight, I think we're done here. Like everyone else, you're jumping on the "X is OP" because you can't even explain why it's OP. (If it is) People get kills in logistics suits because most of them are good at First Person Shooters. Everyone is buthurt because one suit was OP and they want to penalize the others that had nothing to do with the initial suit. Until you can give me some hard numbers or some kind of example of how all of the racial logis > racial assaults through examples, this thread is a waste of time.
If that's how you feel then what was the point in coming here in the first place?
People complain about the different threads that are posted but they don't seem to realize that by commenting on those threads, there are just bumping them and allowing them to stick around longer. If you really don't like the way a thread is going then do what I do, stop commenting and leave. If everyone did this then useless threads would die fairly quick.
As for this thread... eh, no harm done. Just another guy voicing there opinion and I see nothing wrong with that. |
Nitrobeacon
Freek Coalition
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Posted - 2013.07.23 11:55:00 -
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Ok then, time to pack 3 compact nanohives then mate.
Edit: Beaten to it sorry |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion
1058
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Posted - 2013.07.23 12:08:00 -
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I say make repair tool weapons, and have decreased fitting costs for equipment as the passive logistics-class bonus.
Then we will see who the true logibros are.
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Combine this with a better triage WP system (like the one discussed here) and I will be happy.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
5102
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Posted - 2013.07.23 13:15:00 -
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Forcing players to fit their suits a certain way is fundamentally against the freedom of the fitting is meant to offer. |
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ALPHA DECRIPTER
M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
142
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Posted - 2013.07.23 13:24:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Forcing players to fit their suits a certain way is fundamentally against the freedom of the fitting is meant to offer.
If that's how you feel then you agree with not needing a weapon to make a usable fit, right? LOL but yea, forcing you to fit you stuff a certain way would take from the "fight your war" mentality. |
xSivartx
Valor Tactical Operations Immortal Coalition of New-Eden
3
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Posted - 2013.07.23 13:27:00 -
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So you are saying that my Min Logi build with 4 complex codebreakers, 4 complex shields, six kin smg should not be allowed as it is not a traditional logi build?
My play style is similar to an assault but with the sole purpose of hacking things and trying to live long enough to be effective. With what I have on my suit I cannot fit at least 3 pieces of equipment. |
Bendtner92
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
779
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Posted - 2013.07.23 13:27:00 -
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Dumbest idea ever.
I suspect your suggestion of a minimum of 3 equipment of minimum advanced tier is for prototype suits? What about advanced suits? Standard suits?
What if someone is using 2 prototype equipment and 2 standard, and is filling up his low and high slots with CPU/PG intensive stuff, so that he's unable to upgrade his standard equipment? He would still be doing his logi job, but because he's running two standard equipment his fit is invalid.
Please let this thread die. It's en even worse idea than the threads suggesting all logis to be restricted to sidearms, which was a pretty terrible idea. |
ALPHA DECRIPTER
M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
142
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Posted - 2013.07.23 13:33:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Dumbest idea ever.
I suspect your suggestion of a minimum of 3 equipment of minimum advanced tier is for prototype suits? What about advanced suits? Standard suits?
What if someone is using 2 prototype equipment and 2 standard, and is filling up his low and high slots with CPU/PG intensive stuff, so that he's unable to upgrade his standard equipment? He would still be doing his logi job, but because he's running two standard equipment his fit is invalid.
Please let this thread die. It's en even worse idea than the threads suggesting all logis to be restricted to sidearms, which was a pretty terrible idea.
A bit insensitive but not the dumbest
Someone suggested sidearms only for logis? Where was this? |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
5104
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Posted - 2013.07.23 14:05:00 -
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ALPHA DECRIPTER wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Forcing players to fit their suits a certain way is fundamentally against the freedom of the fitting is meant to offer. If that's how you feel then you agree with not needing a weapon to make a usable fit, right? LOL but yea, forcing you to fit you stuff a certain way would take from the "fight your war" mentality.
I do agree that you shouldn't need a weapon to have a valid fit, or even a turret for a valid vehicle fit. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2645
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Posted - 2013.07.23 15:24:00 -
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zzZaXxx wrote:This nerf is to keep assault logis from running low equipment OP fits right? Ok, well here's a suggestion:
Require all logis to fit a minimum CPU/PG value of equipment (50/10 for advanced?) in order for the fitting to be valid. The gun can be optional instead! This would accomplish 2 things:
a) Assault logis would be forced to expend a minimum CPU/PG on equipment.
b) A logi could choose to focus entirely on equipment and tank/speed and have no weapon (probably a bad idea but interesting).
What do you think? This could make it unnecessary change logis at all, much less remove the Cal Logi's 20 CPU.
What's wrong with reducing their fitting and then giving them fitting bonus for support equipment? That way they can easily fit their gear if they use the suit the right way, but can't possibly use them as Super-Assaults. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3094
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Posted - 2013.07.23 15:28:00 -
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Still waiting on some proof that all the logis are better than assaults... |
zzZaXxx
The Exemplars Top Men.
127
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Posted - 2013.07.23 17:53:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Dumbest idea ever.
I suspect your suggestion of a minimum of 3 equipment of minimum advanced tier is for prototype suits? What about advanced suits? Standard suits?
What if someone is using 2 prototype equipment and 2 standard, and is filling up his low and high slots with CPU/PG intensive stuff, so that he's unable to upgrade his standard equipment? He would still be doing his logi job, but because he's running two standard equipment his fit is invalid.
Please let this thread die. It's en even worse idea than the threads suggesting all logis to be restricted to sidearms, which was a pretty terrible idea.
I don't know where you got that but yeah anyways I only said there should be a minimum fitting cost of currently fitted equipment for each suit level. Your example guy would be fine. |
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