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Morrigan Uroboros
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.22 03:03:00 -
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I don't see many of these on the field, and they arnt talked about much, but i've being using the basic one with 2 complex damage mods and I've being having a lot of fun with it. But what is the point of upgrading it? Looking at the stats they all appear to have the same damage, so is it more potential damage from the heat build up? |
Viktor Vikrizi
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
4
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Posted - 2013.07.22 03:05:00 -
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yea the basic laser rifle with 2 complex dmg mods is pretty fun. I dont have to get in too close and when u find a good range to use it at its pretty good. oh and the heat build up is reduced by one point at adv while about 2 is taken off at proto |
EternalRMG
Eir Gaming
439
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Posted - 2013.07.22 03:05:00 -
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Morrigan Uroboros wrote:I don't see many of these on the field, and they arnt talked about much, but i've being using the basic one with 2 complex damage mods and I've being having a lot of fun with it. But what is the point of upgrading it? Looking at the stats they all appear to have the same damage, so is it more potential damage from the heat build up? yep just that people dont talk about it because back in chromosome you would get killed by it every 3 sec. |
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2013.07.22 03:06:00 -
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Morrigan Uroboros wrote:I don't see many of these on the field, and they arnt talked about much, but i've being using the basic one with 2 complex damage mods and I've being having a lot of fun with it. But what is the point of upgrading it? Looking at the stats they all appear to have the same damage, so is it more potential damage from the heat build up? the upgraded versions have higher damage increase over time. when shooting the laser. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
1823
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Posted - 2013.07.22 03:06:00 -
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You nailed it. Really shines with an Amarr assault suit. My alt uses a Viziam with three complex mods and level 3 proficiency. Melts everything within optimal (save heavies). |
Morrigan Uroboros
The Phoenix Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.07.22 03:08:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:You nailed it. Really shines with an Amarr assault suit. My alt uses a Viziam with three complex mods and level 3 proficiency. Melts everything within optimal (save heavies).
I wish i had the sp to spec into ammar assault suit, but my logi duties take up most of my sp. I just wish there as a close range version with a thicker beam, is this the only weapon class without variations? |
Acezero 44
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
97
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Posted - 2013.07.22 03:10:00 -
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be cool if they just buffed it already, .
Laser fun? yes
laser good? no |
Morrigan Uroboros
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.22 03:10:00 -
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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:Morrigan Uroboros wrote:I don't see many of these on the field, and they arnt talked about much, but i've being using the basic one with 2 complex damage mods and I've being having a lot of fun with it. But what is the point of upgrading it? Looking at the stats they all appear to have the same damage, so is it more potential damage from the heat build up? the upgraded versions have higher damage increase over time. when shooting the laser.
Where can you find all these hidden weapon atributes? I mean theres a lot of things that should be shown in the game, effective range for example, and even a dps figure for your equiped weapons would help, to actually see how much help were getting from our proficiencies and damage mods, rather than guestimating how the percentages and stacking penaties work |
Viktor Vikrizi
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
4
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Posted - 2013.07.22 03:12:00 -
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Morrigan Uroboros wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:Morrigan Uroboros wrote:I don't see many of these on the field, and they arnt talked about much, but i've being using the basic one with 2 complex damage mods and I've being having a lot of fun with it. But what is the point of upgrading it? Looking at the stats they all appear to have the same damage, so is it more potential damage from the heat build up? the upgraded versions have higher damage increase over time. when shooting the laser. Where can you find all these hidden weapon atributes? I mean theres a lot of things that should be shown in the game, effective range for example, and even a dps figure for your equiped weapons would help, to actually see how much help were getting from our proficiencies and damage mods, rather than guestimating how the percentages and stacking penaties work
it actually does show it look at the heat build up for each weapon |
Viktor Vikrizi
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
4
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Posted - 2013.07.22 03:14:00 -
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Viktor Vikrizi wrote:Morrigan Uroboros wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:Morrigan Uroboros wrote:I don't see many of these on the field, and they arnt talked about much, but i've being using the basic one with 2 complex damage mods and I've being having a lot of fun with it. But what is the point of upgrading it? Looking at the stats they all appear to have the same damage, so is it more potential damage from the heat build up? the upgraded versions have higher damage increase over time. when shooting the laser. Where can you find all these hidden weapon atributes? I mean theres a lot of things that should be shown in the game, effective range for example, and even a dps figure for your equiped weapons would help, to actually see how much help were getting from our proficiencies and damage mods, rather than guestimating how the percentages and stacking penaties work it actually does show it look at the heat build up for each laser rifle
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
690
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Posted - 2013.07.22 03:15:00 -
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Morrigan Uroboros wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:You nailed it. Really shines with an Amarr assault suit. My alt uses a Viziam with three complex mods and level 3 proficiency. Melts everything within optimal (save heavies). I wish i had the sp to spec into ammar assault suit, but my logi duties take up most of my sp. I just wish there as a close range version with a thicker beam, is this the only weapon class without variations? Variations are on the way.
Acezero 44 wrote:be cool if they just buffed it already, .
Laser fun? yes
laser good? no It does not need a buff, this coming from a guy who uses them regularly. It is effective at doing it's job, if you can't do good with it don't necessarily blame the gun . . . |
Morrigan Uroboros
The Phoenix Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.07.22 03:17:00 -
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Viktor Vikrizi wrote:Morrigan Uroboros wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:Morrigan Uroboros wrote:I don't see many of these on the field, and they arnt talked about much, but i've being using the basic one with 2 complex damage mods and I've being having a lot of fun with it. But what is the point of upgrading it? Looking at the stats they all appear to have the same damage, so is it more potential damage from the heat build up? the upgraded versions have higher damage increase over time. when shooting the laser. Where can you find all these hidden weapon atributes? I mean theres a lot of things that should be shown in the game, effective range for example, and even a dps figure for your equiped weapons would help, to actually see how much help were getting from our proficiencies and damage mods, rather than guestimating how the percentages and stacking penaties work it actually does show it look at the heat build up for each weapon
Ah thanks, I though that was for the weapon overheating, not the damage |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
956
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Posted - 2013.07.22 03:18:00 -
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BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:Morrigan Uroboros wrote:I don't see many of these on the field, and they arnt talked about much, but i've being using the basic one with 2 complex damage mods and I've being having a lot of fun with it. But what is the point of upgrading it? Looking at the stats they all appear to have the same damage, so is it more potential damage from the heat build up? the upgraded versions have higher damage increase over time. when shooting the laser. false, lower heat build up so you can fire longer in the higher heat ranges for more damage. |
Viktor Vikrizi
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
4
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Posted - 2013.07.22 03:20:00 -
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ladwar wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:Morrigan Uroboros wrote:I don't see many of these on the field, and they arnt talked about much, but i've being using the basic one with 2 complex damage mods and I've being having a lot of fun with it. But what is the point of upgrading it? Looking at the stats they all appear to have the same damage, so is it more potential damage from the heat build up? the upgraded versions have higher damage increase over time. when shooting the laser. false, lower heat build up so you can fire longer in the higher heat ranges for more damage.
yup this^ |
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2013.07.22 03:20:00 -
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ladwar wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:Morrigan Uroboros wrote:I don't see many of these on the field, and they arnt talked about much, but i've being using the basic one with 2 complex damage mods and I've being having a lot of fun with it. But what is the point of upgrading it? Looking at the stats they all appear to have the same damage, so is it more potential damage from the heat build up? the upgraded versions have higher damage increase over time. when shooting the laser. false, lower heat build up so you can fire longer in the higher heat ranges for more damage. o well i was close. i really thought i got an infantry question right for a change XD. til next time i guess. i guess i'll stick with vehicles. it's wat i do best. |
Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
165
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Posted - 2013.07.22 03:20:00 -
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Viktor Vikrizi wrote:Morrigan Uroboros wrote:BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: the upgraded versions have higher damage increase over time. when shooting the laser.
Where can you find all these hidden weapon atributes? I mean theres a lot of things that should be shown in the game, effective range for example, and even a dps figure for your equiped weapons would help, to actually see how much help were getting from our proficiencies and damage mods, rather than guestimating how the percentages and stacking penaties work it actually does show it look at the heat build up for each weapon
Where does it show "the upgraded versions have higher damage increase over time"?
I would love to know, so that I can update the laser rifle wiki entry. So far we try to put only info there that can be confirmed. I've heard people say the damage buildup differs, but what's the source for that claim? |
Morrigan Uroboros
The Phoenix Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.07.22 03:23:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Morrigan Uroboros wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:You nailed it. Really shines with an Amarr assault suit. My alt uses a Viziam with three complex mods and level 3 proficiency. Melts everything within optimal (save heavies). I wish i had the sp to spec into ammar assault suit, but my logi duties take up most of my sp. I just wish there as a close range version with a thicker beam, is this the only weapon class without variations? Variations are on the way. Acezero 44 wrote:be cool if they just buffed it already, .
Laser fun? yes
laser good? no It does not need a buff, this coming from a guy who uses them regularly. It is effective at doing it's job, if you can't do good with it don't necessarily blame the gun . . .
Ive not had enough time to work it out, but does the damage increase go upto a cap, like after 2 seconds continuous fire its at max damage, or as the heat of the gun increases the damage does? |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
690
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Posted - 2013.07.22 03:30:00 -
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Morrigan Uroboros wrote:Ive not had enough time to work it out, but does the damage increase go upto a cap, like after 2 seconds continuous fire its at max damage, or as the heat of the gun increases the damage does? There is no cap, as long as you are continuously holding down the trigger the beam will get stronger and stronger until it overheats or you let go. Also the damage output is not related to the heat of the gun, it's only related to how long you hold the trigger. This means if you fire the laser rifle until it nearly over heats, then start burst firing at near the maximum heat build up, your spurts would do no more damage than if you were to burst fire with no heat build up. |
Morrigan Uroboros
The Phoenix Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.07.22 03:39:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Morrigan Uroboros wrote:Ive not had enough time to work it out, but does the damage increase go upto a cap, like after 2 seconds continuous fire its at max damage, or as the heat of the gun increases the damage does? There is no cap, as long as you are continuously holding down the trigger the beam will get stronger and stronger until it overheats or you let go. Also the damage output is not related to the heat of the gun, it's only related to how long you hold the trigger. This means if you fire the laser rifle until it nearly over heats, then start burst firing at near the maximum heat build up, your spurts would do no more damage than if you were to burst fire with no heat build up.
Now I really want to spec into an amarr assault.... Damn the sp grind and my inability to stick to one path :P
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Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
165
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Posted - 2013.07.22 03:40:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote: There is no cap, as long as you are continuously holding down the trigger the beam will get stronger and stronger until it overheats or you let go. Also the damage output is not related to the heat of the gun, it's only related to how long you hold the trigger. This means if you fire the laser rifle until it nearly over heats, then start burst firing at near the maximum heat build up, your spurts would do no more damage than if you were to burst fire with no heat build up.
With the very powerful viziam in the last build, I liked to build it up on a wall directly in front of me, then move sideways so that it's suddenly hitting someone with high damage, giving them almost no time to seek cover before they'd melt. Is that still possible this build, if you have the viziam and appropriate skills?
I suppose Amarr assault suit is desirable. |
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
693
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Posted - 2013.07.22 03:44:00 -
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Winsaucerer wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote: There is no cap, as long as you are continuously holding down the trigger the beam will get stronger and stronger until it overheats or you let go. Also the damage output is not related to the heat of the gun, it's only related to how long you hold the trigger. This means if you fire the laser rifle until it nearly over heats, then start burst firing at near the maximum heat build up, your spurts would do no more damage than if you were to burst fire with no heat build up.
With the very powerful viziam in the last build, I liked to build it up on a wall directly in front of me, then move sideways so that it's suddenly hitting someone with high damage, giving them almost no time to seek cover before they'd melt. Is that still possible this build, if you have the viziam and appropriate skills? I suppose Amarr assault suit is desirable. That is still exactly how you are supposed to use it! I have a feeling people who complain it is weak are not using this tactic. Waste all initial low damage outputs on the environment, then dish out the high damage on the enemies. |
Thumb Green
THE STAR BORN Dark Taboo
204
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Posted - 2013.07.22 03:59:00 -
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I've actually been seeing a bit more people using the laser rifle. Still not many but considering it practically went extinct, it's a fair amount. I hate to be redundant but the iron sights it has kills it for me; combined with me playing the game on a 30" crt tv that makes the ps3 only display in 480p. It makes it kind of hard to see what I'm shooting at. |
Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
165
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Posted - 2013.07.22 04:00:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:I've actually been seeing a bit more people using the laser rifle. Still not many but considering it practically went extinct, it's a fair amount. I hate to be redundant but the iron sights it has kills it for me; combined with me playing the game on a 30" crt tv that makes the ps3 only display in 480p. It makes it kind of hard to see what I'm shooting at.
I had been wondering why people don't like the iron sights. Didn't seem too bad to me. The glare when shooting laser, on the other hand, was a little distracting. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
693
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Posted - 2013.07.22 04:02:00 -
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Winsaucerer wrote:Thumb Green wrote:I've actually been seeing a bit more people using the laser rifle. Still not many but considering it practically went extinct, it's a fair amount. I hate to be redundant but the iron sights it has kills it for me; combined with me playing the game on a 30" crt tv that makes the ps3 only display in 480p. It makes it kind of hard to see what I'm shooting at. I had been wondering why people don't like the iron sights. Didn't seem too bad to me. The glare when shooting laser, on the other hand, was a little distracting. The iron sights haven't been bothering me at all. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
756
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Posted - 2013.07.22 04:03:00 -
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Morrigan Uroboros wrote:I don't see many of these on the field, and they arnt talked about much, but i've being using the basic one with 2 complex damage mods and I've being having a lot of fun with it. But what is the point of upgrading it? Looking at the stats they all appear to have the same damage, so is it more potential damage from the heat build up?
They are amazing guns! And not jokes the Viziam is a huge step up from the ELM-7 |
Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
165
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Posted - 2013.07.22 04:06:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Morrigan Uroboros wrote:I don't see many of these on the field, and they arnt talked about much, but i've being using the basic one with 2 complex damage mods and I've being having a lot of fun with it. But what is the point of upgrading it? Looking at the stats they all appear to have the same damage, so is it more potential damage from the heat build up? They are amazing guns! And not jokes the Viziam is a huge step up from the ELM-7
How essential is the amarr assault for it? With upcoming logi changes, I'm tempted to leave vehicles for a bit and spec into Amarr logi (as a PIE member, I'm sure you can understand my preference for Amarrian technology). I am not sure if the heat buildup on a suit with no heat bonuses will be too high to make it worth it. Compared with other guns such as a scrambler rifle, or a TAR. |
Garth Mandra
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
43
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Posted - 2013.07.22 04:06:00 -
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I used to do really well in the last build with the laser. I used it as my primary weapon most of the time. I use a mouse and keyboard and a 22" monitor.
In this build however I just can't aim. :(
The iron sight makes it so I have to guess where my target is and the tracking is sluggish. That combined with the issues I'm still having with aiming makes the laser difficult to use.
I can still get some kills with it but not as many as I would if I could aim properly.
My guess is the only thing the laser needs changing is the sights and aiming. Once that has happened we'll be able to tell if the damage/heat build up/range are right. |
THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Not Guilty EoN.
74
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Posted - 2013.07.22 04:08:00 -
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Id say just remove the laser past its optimal range so that itd be a helluva lot easier to use, but who knows i just use STD w/ damage mods, on a non-amarr suit |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
693
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Posted - 2013.07.22 04:11:00 -
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Winsaucerer wrote:True Adamance wrote:Morrigan Uroboros wrote:I don't see many of these on the field, and they arnt talked about much, but i've being using the basic one with 2 complex damage mods and I've being having a lot of fun with it. But what is the point of upgrading it? Looking at the stats they all appear to have the same damage, so is it more potential damage from the heat build up? They are amazing guns! And not jokes the Viziam is a huge step up from the ELM-7 How essential is the amarr assault for it? With upcoming logi changes, I'm tempted to leave vehicles for a bit and spec into Amarr logi (as a PIE member, I'm sure you can understand my preference for Amarrian technology). I am not sure if the heat buildup on a suit with no heat bonuses will be too high to make it worth it. Compared with other guns such as a scrambler rifle, or a TAR. Well considering that with the Amarr Assault skill at level 5 you can fire the laser rifle 25% longer, it is a HUGE bonus. That said, you can still do well with it in other suits, heck I run a standard laser rifle in my Commando suit and kill just fine. But if you want to be really feared with it, the Amarr Assault is a must.
As a sidenote, I really want to get into vehicles but with my preference for Amarrian tech I just haven't been able to I don't care if the dropships aren't fixed yet, I want to fly the Amarrian one even if it will just crash into the ground |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
756
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Posted - 2013.07.22 04:11:00 -
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Winsaucerer wrote:True Adamance wrote:Morrigan Uroboros wrote:I don't see many of these on the field, and they arnt talked about much, but i've being using the basic one with 2 complex damage mods and I've being having a lot of fun with it. But what is the point of upgrading it? Looking at the stats they all appear to have the same damage, so is it more potential damage from the heat build up? They are amazing guns! And not jokes the Viziam is a huge step up from the ELM-7 How essential is the amarr assault for it? With upcoming logi changes, I'm tempted to leave vehicles for a bit and spec into Amarr logi (as a PIE member, I'm sure you can understand my preference for Amarrian technology). I am not sure if the heat buildup on a suit with no heat bonuses will be too high to make it worth it. Compared with other guns such as a scrambler rifle, or a TAR. Not wholly necessary but very useful even getting lvl 3 Assault Suits is pretty handy. I'm actually running right now with an Amarrian Logi using a laser and he is doing very well. |
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