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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.07.21 18:27:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:/me looks at the list of things to fix sooner.
/me doesn't see MDs on the list at all.
/me cautiously advises this may not always be the case.
The only way to "fix" the MD would be to fix armor. Resistance plating comes to mind... |
Mad Syringe
Trans Worlds Operations
League of Infamy
11
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Posted - 2013.07.21 18:50:00 -
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When armor gets fixed, the MD might even need a small buff... But that remains to be seen...
Until then, leave the MD alone. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
264
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Posted - 2013.07.23 11:20:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:/me looks at the list of things to fix sooner.
/me doesn't see MDs on the list at all.
/me cautiously advises this may not always be the case.
Wolf......i hate you so much right now  |
KingBlade82
The Phoenix Federation
115
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Posted - 2013.07.23 11:28:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:Cosgar wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:it excels in all close range/medium combat and puts the other close/medium range to shame plus u don't need to aim like the other weapons people don't complain about being too powerful
but no matter what I say or u say CCP will do whatever they want and even if the MD is nerfed it wont be as bad as the flaylock should be getting :P The MD has already been nerfed in splash radius and damage. Hell, it took a double nerf to damage because damge got nerfed while dropsuit HP got buffed. It's actually in a good place now because you're forced to make those 18 grenades count even more than before. Try going toe-to-toe with a Duvolle in open field without flux grenades and tell me the MD is still OP. ehhh I always use flux for good measure ud be stupid not too but complex damage mods on top of the already high damage for mass drivers makes me think how much I could destroy :P muahahahaha The flux is a terrible argument, since anything is going to kill a fluxed enemy. An AR will always take down a fluxed Armour tanker or Heavy faster than an MD can that is being boosted by 30% increase. That's how low the MD DPS is.
AR and aiming weapons kill by the person pointing a weapon at the person
mass drivers kills even when u aren't trying due to splash and btw no it wont I take down heavys faster with mass driver |
KingBlade82
The Phoenix Federation
115
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Posted - 2013.07.23 11:33:00 -
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Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:Jastad wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:it doesn't just prevent them from going in an area it can hunt people down and destroy them that's why it needs the nerf And what YOU think must do a primary weapon? spit rainbow? How can be an area denial weapon if people dont fear it? "oh look someone is shooting with a mass, let's walk inside the range since is like being hit by a stinky ****" Also this weapon suffer shield more than an HMG Jastad is right. How can a weapon be OP in a fps because "it kills people"? With your logic the AR is Op too, it can kill people even farther than the MD and also have hitscan. The mass driver have 6 S I X rounds in a magazine, missing with 2 often means you are dead. It is actually harder to aim with the MD than spray and pray with the AR. The mass driver now is fine, armor sucks, but it's not the MD fault.
depending on how close it is the MD still beats the AR using spray and pray most close range places and still makes the shotgun look stupid to use
I need to be pretty far away to have a chance against a mass driver
and even if im too close they can kill me and them self and I don't have that option as an AR user
it should kill people but I believe it isn't on the level of other weapons same goes for flaylock but flaylock even destroys my shield -_- MD at least takes 3 shots but I still believe its way too fast |
KingBlade82
The Phoenix Federation
115
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Posted - 2013.07.23 11:49:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:Cosgar wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:Cosgar wrote:People have always cried about the MD and they'll continue to do so because it's designed for harassment and area denial. If you like the weapon, use it, enjoy it and defend it on the forums from people that don't understand that they can't run around in conga lines or hide behind cover when slow moving grenades from a weapon with only 3 clips worth of ammo fires down from above. it doesn't just prevent them from going in an area it can hunt people down and destroy them that's why it needs the nerf not because the weapon should be removed in fact on my logi it seems to keep people away so I can heal/revive/give ammo or place uplinks it can be useful and people not complain but it isn't there yet People complain because it's useful and there's a general hate for splash damage based weapons in FPS anyway. Every weapon that isn't a rifle is situational at best but excels in specific areas. Just because the MD excels in a specific area, you want it nerfed? Why not just switch to a laser and leave my damn weapon alone then. Nobody complains about those anymore. it excels in all close range/medium combat and puts the other close/medium range to shame plus u don't need to aim like the other weapons people don't complain about being too powerful but no matter what I say or u say CCP will do whatever they want and even if the MD is nerfed it wont be as bad as the flaylock should be getting :P Anything with 3 or more Complex Shield mods will tank MDs, and an AR will always out DPS a MD. It doesn't excel in close-range.(you clearly haven't used an MD for an extended period of time) -One of the lowest DPS ratings -One of the smallest clip sizes -One of the longest reload times -Hives are a necessity -Risk dying to splash in CQC -Useless against elevated targets -Weak against Shields, and Shields > Armor Stop QQing and get better scrub.
omg ur so clever ;) making fun of people bravo I bet ur a success in real life
and the DPS is damn good idk what weapon ur using but I get way more damage in per match when I use MD (may be from vehicle damage as well)
clip size doesn't matter unless ur running by urself against 2 to 3 protos
the reload time isn't bad at all
hives are a necessity as for most weapons if u survive and kill 5+ enemies
u need to be really stupid to kill urself no joke I rarely kill myself (the only skill part of it tbh)
it is crap against anyone high :P
and its weak against shields but if I blast them a few times I can beat the shield but have to atleast use full clip plus aiming weapons take more skill to get that result aka OP but ever since I came back to Dust 514 (used to play in closed beta) ive had to switch to shield in order to compete |
Celeste Cyra
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.07.23 12:15:00 -
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52-2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tm0wdH4bwuw
42-2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy3jKmrbRqw
31-2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k95CjKZom_8
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWNHGmaMLBU
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66F6wyat9l8 |
KingBlade82
The Phoenix Federation
116
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Posted - 2013.07.23 12:23:00 -
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all AR users? that's a lot of kills I can even get that so don't think its normal lol
I watched the first and the enemy team sucked plus he had damage mods on his gun he was missing a ton
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Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion
1058
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Posted - 2013.07.23 12:30:00 -
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Been using the MD since Chromosome, and to be honest when we jumped into Uprising I didn't notice much difference. The 10% damage buff to all weapons early in Uprising was insane and made the Freedom PC-worthy. Then the buff to AoE or whatever came along and suddenly I was killing myself so much more often than usual.
I had adjusted to the nerfed version and was holding my K/D at 1.3, and it was rising. Now it's dropping because of suicides and flaylocks.
Certainly, if I flux you, expect to die. Certainly, if you're a heavy and I catch you in the open at medium range, NOT MOVING, expect to die.
But compared to the AR we're still quite situational.
I don't mind if it's nerfed again. I'm sticking with MDs. My only qualm is how did the MD get buffed when no-one ever really needed it, and yet dropships remain forgotten despite the majority of the community, AVers and those who don't fly included, agree that they need some love? |
Celeste Cyra
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.07.23 12:47:00 -
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KingBlade82 wrote:all AR users? that's a lot of kills I can even get that so don't think its normal lol I watched the first and the enemy team sucked plus he had damage mods on his gun he was missing a ton
Not why I posted it. Those guys are awesome and know how to use their weapons and play. But they do not use the mass driver for some reason. If I find any videos where there is a 20+ differential for mass drivers it will make me think twice about it. Right now I am testing out alts for the Scrambler + SMG and AR + SMG combo before I decide to spec this character.
These videos prove to me that if I get good enough with AR I can dominate a match and make 300 - 500k isk often. There's no need to make excuses for why it happened because the videos are there for everyone to see. I've tried the Mass driver and while it does get hits easily, I'm not going to spec into it because it under performs. |
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.07.23 12:50:00 -
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Celeste Cyra wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:all AR users? that's a lot of kills I can even get that so don't think its normal lol I watched the first and the enemy team sucked plus he had damage mods on his gun he was missing a ton Not why I posted it. Those guys are awesome and know how to use their weapons and play. But they do not use the mass driver for some reason. If I find any videos where there is a 20+ differential for mass drivers it will make me think twice about it. Right now I am testing out alts for the Scrambler + SMG and AR + SMG combo before I decide to spec this character. These videos prove to me that if I get good enough with AR I can dominate a match and make 300 - 500k isk often. There's no need to make excuses for why it happened because the videos are there for everyone to see. I've tried the Mass driver and while it does get hits easily, I'm not going to spec into it because it under performs.
Under performs and people still complain about the goddamned thing. An AR can go 50-2 and everyone is cheering them on. If I upload a video of a MD getting half the amount of kills people would be crying nerf. ****ing double standards. |
KingBlade82
The Phoenix Federation
119
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Posted - 2013.07.23 13:06:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Celeste Cyra wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:all AR users? that's a lot of kills I can even get that so don't think its normal lol I watched the first and the enemy team sucked plus he had damage mods on his gun he was missing a ton Not why I posted it. Those guys are awesome and know how to use their weapons and play. But they do not use the mass driver for some reason. If I find any videos where there is a 20+ differential for mass drivers it will make me think twice about it. Right now I am testing out alts for the Scrambler + SMG and AR + SMG combo before I decide to spec this character. These videos prove to me that if I get good enough with AR I can dominate a match and make 300 - 500k isk often. There's no need to make excuses for why it happened because the videos are there for everyone to see. I've tried the Mass driver and while it does get hits easily, I'm not going to spec into it because it under performs. Under performs and people still complain about the goddamned thing. An AR can go 50-2 and everyone is cheering them on. If I upload a video of a MD getting half the amount of kills people would be crying nerf. ****ing double standards.
it does not under perform -_- im sure a mass driver user could kill that many too and id be just as impressed 50+ kills is a lot in a short amount of time |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
1744
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Posted - 2013.07.23 13:27:00 -
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Those who complain about the MD being OP aren't regular users of the MD.
It's easy to see and remember the times it killed you, but the times you slaughtered them or they suicided by firing too close just merge into the mass of kills that you got. It's simple human nature.
We fear and fixate on the unusual. Hundreds die in auto accidents and it's just background noise to us. Two people die in an airline crash and it's all over the news for several days. We demand that airline accidents get nerfed and take to the roads without a thought.
MD kills are the high profile deaths while the constant AR death toll goes unnoticed due to its ubiquity. You simply don't remember the tenth time you are killed by a GEK or Douval because that's what you expect, but get blown up once and it's on your mind until half way though the next match.
I'll believe the MD is OP when I see it dominate the kill feed. I'll believe it when I see assault players pick it up in favor of the AR. That won't happen though, because once you use it you remember all the times it wasn't enough to save your bacon, all the times a team mate stepped in front and blew the round in your face. You remember your dropping KDR and you stop using it. |
KingBlade82
The Phoenix Federation
119
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Posted - 2013.07.23 13:32:00 -
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Well all I ask r that the devs check the numbers and make sure its even is all if one of the CCP people say that the damage it deals is not more than and in fact less than the DPS of regular guns based on the stats we gathered people would not have this issue but they don't so we do and we never understand nerfs/buffs sometimes because of it
and again its a ton of things to consider stat wise to make it even but I know for a fact shotgun users cant touch u when u have a mass driver |
Celeste Cyra
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.07.23 13:36:00 -
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Totally agree about that.
When I said it under performs, I meant it under performs in my hands compared to other weapons. When I was trying it out it sucked in corridors, open areas, lowered elevation, in tight knit groups where someone steps right in front of me, against shielded builds and just gets raped if your out flanked.
Admittedly I'm a noob but I really don't think it's worth the investment. |
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