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Cat Merc
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.07.20 19:35:00 -
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If you get downed, and then someone revives you, should it count as a death?
Before PC I would say yes.
But after playing PC matches, I realized that what's important is your clone efficiency, as clones cost money and are needed for respawns.
Revives restore the lost clone.
So basically nothing lost, so why should it count as a death?
Discuss.
Disclaimer: I am on the side of nobody as I have not deicded myself, I just play as devil's advocate for discussion |
Bendtner92
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Posted - 2013.07.20 19:37:00 -
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I've always believed it should count as a death. In my opinion you were killed, it doesn't matter if you get revived or not.
What's next? You take the kill away from the guy that killed you? |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.20 19:39:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:I've always believed it should count as a death. In my opinion you were killed, it doesn't matter if you get revived or not.
What's next? You take the kill away from the guy that killed you?
But the clone was restored, not wasting any resources, so why should it count in the end?
And there is no reason to take the kill away.
Maybe add a clone lost counter in addition to the deaths counter? |
Cobra CLUTCH79
Storm Wind Strikeforce
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Posted - 2013.07.20 19:41:00 -
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it should count.. think of it this way you down a guy logi comes revs him your kill vanishes.. hmm that would suck especially for those that love their k/d ratio.. |
Bendtner92
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Posted - 2013.07.20 19:41:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:I've always believed it should count as a death. In my opinion you were killed, it doesn't matter if you get revived or not.
What's next? You take the kill away from the guy that killed you? But the clone was restored, not wasting any resources, so why should it count in the end? And there is no reason to take the kill away. Maybe add a clone lost counter in addition to the deaths counter?
I edited my first post with this:
If it's changed so it doesn't count as a death it should also be changed so that you get 50 points for downs and then another 10 points for the kill if he actually bleed out. It should also be way easier to force people to bleed out (by shooting them etc). Then I would probably be ok with it. |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.20 19:43:00 -
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Cobra CLUTCH79 wrote:it should count.. think of it this way you down a guy logi comes revs him your kill vanishes.. hmm that would suck especially for those that love their k/d ratio..
Why would the kill vanish? |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.20 19:45:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:I've always believed it should count as a death. In my opinion you were killed, it doesn't matter if you get revived or not.
What's next? You take the kill away from the guy that killed you? But the clone was restored, not wasting any resources, so why should it count in the end? And there is no reason to take the kill away. Maybe add a clone lost counter in addition to the deaths counter? I edited my first post with this: If it's changed so it doesn't count as a death it should also be changed so that you get 50 points for downs and then another 10 points for the kill if he actually bleed out. It should also be way easier to force people to bleed out (by shooting them etc). Then I would probably be ok with it.
If it was easier to force people to bleed out nanite injectors would be even less common.
It's already very easy to bleed them out, do a headshot or kill them with explosive weaponry.
About your points idea, that sounds neat.
It should also only give 10WP if you kill the same guy again with the same clone.
So if he does gets revived you won't get too many points from farming him. |
Cobra CLUTCH79
Storm Wind Strikeforce
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Posted - 2013.07.20 19:48:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Cobra CLUTCH79 wrote:it should count.. think of it this way you down a guy logi comes revs him your kill vanishes.. hmm that would suck especially for those that love their k/d ratio.. Why would the kill vanish?
if it wouldnt count as a death then why would it count as a kill?? |
Bendtner92
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Posted - 2013.07.20 19:48:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:If it was easier to force people to bleed out nanite injectors would be even less common.
It's already very easy to bleed them out, do a headshot or kill them with explosive weaponry.
I meant easier to bleed them out after they were downed. |
Heimdallr69
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Posted - 2013.07.20 19:49:00 -
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Bf3 the killer gets the kill and the guy who gets revived doesn't count as a death just saying |
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P14GU3
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Posted - 2013.07.20 19:52:00 -
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When did you join BetaMax? And why??
Also it should count. I killed you. I got points for it. You get counted for a death. It only affects K/D which is a pointless stat in this game, so why does it matter? |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.20 19:55:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:When did you join BetaMax? And why??
Also it should count. I killed you. I got points for it. You get counted for a death. It only affects K/D which is a pointless stat in this game, so why does it matter?
I'm in Betamax for a while now, did you just notice?
And this isn't about K/D, this is about your effectiveness on the battlefield, I couldn't care less about K/D, what I do care about is that you wasted a clone costing us money and possibly the match. |
Heimdallr69
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Posted - 2013.07.20 19:58:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:When did you join BetaMax? And why??
Also it should count. I killed you. I got points for it. You get counted for a death. It only affects K/D which is a pointless stat in this game, so why does it matter?
K/d is not pointless only people with bad k/d's say that, last I checked ambush is about kd..your team gets more kills than deaths or you lose |
Cat Merc
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Posted - 2013.07.20 20:07:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:P14GU3 wrote:When did you join BetaMax? And why??
Also it should count. I killed you. I got points for it. You get counted for a death. It only affects K/D which is a pointless stat in this game, so why does it matter? K/d is not pointless only people with bad k/d's say that, last I checked ambush is about kd..your team gets more kills than deaths or you lose
Yes, but you don't lose a clone if you get revived. |
Heimdallr69
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Posted - 2013.07.20 20:11:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:P14GU3 wrote:When did you join BetaMax? And why??
Also it should count. I killed you. I got points for it. You get counted for a death. It only affects K/D which is a pointless stat in this game, so why does it matter? K/d is not pointless only people with bad k/d's say that, last I checked ambush is about kd..your team gets more kills than deaths or you lose Yes, but you don't lose a clone if you get revived.
True I forgot about that, but also think you never fully died you were brought back before the bleedout, if they can bring you back how could that possibly count as a death? |
N1ck Comeau
Pro Hic Immortalis
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Posted - 2013.07.20 20:13:00 -
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Maybe 2 different counters,
Downs is when you get put down but get revived.
Deaths is when you bleed out |
Nalhe Saldana
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.20 20:25:00 -
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Yes, its the death before the revive that shouldn't. |
Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.07.20 20:29:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:I've always believed it should count as a death. In my opinion you were killed, it doesn't matter if you get revived or not.
What's next? You take the kill away from the guy that killed you?
Edit: If it's changed so it doesn't count as a death it should also be changed so that you get 50 points for downs and then another 10 points for the kill if he actually bleed out. It should also be way easier to force people to bleed out (by shooting them etc). Then I would probably be ok with it.
It's already easy to to bleed someone out by shooting their dead body. |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.07.20 20:41:00 -
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If you get revived 6 times its still only one clone lost, but you can keep pressure on a point possibly winning the game. Hence, why I say K/d is pointless outside of ambush atleast. But I usually play skirm/fw/pc |
THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
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Posted - 2013.07.20 20:54:00 -
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Deaths after being picked up should not count.
Give players an incentive to wait it out. |
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