*double buzzer sound* wrong!

So you want your cake and you want to eat it too, huh? It's wrong for one person to solo a tank but it's okay for one person to solo an entire team? **** that noise.

So you want your cake and you want to eat it too, huh? It's wrong for one person to solo a tank but it's okay for one person to solo an entire team? **** that noise.

It would just be a pain in the ass having a tank require a three man crew. Totally not fun and not needed.

I'm not and haven't been talking to you Mary; but you bring up a very good point.



I agree it's totally not fun and in regards to Son-Of A-Gun's earlier comment; requiring a six man proto squad to take out a tank would be a pain in the ass and is totally not fun.

And I'd love to provide video proof of it Son-Of A-Gun but not everybody has access to equipment to record with. All I can provide is anecdotal evidence but so far that's all tankers that whine about UP tanks have provided as well. So I say to you; footage or it didn't happen.

What I expect is to see is a non-militia tank properly fitted with a driver that knows what they're doing and it being solo'd.

I'm not and haven't been talking to you Mary; but you bring up a very good point.



I agree it's totally not fun and in regards to Son-Of A-Gun's earlier comment; requiring a six man proto squad to take out a tank would be a pain in the ass and totally is not fun.

And I'd love to provide video proof of it Son-Of A-Gun but not everybody has access to equipment to record with. All I can provide is anecdotal evidence but so far that's all tankers that whine about UP tanks have provided as well. So I say to you; footage or it didn't happen.

What I expect is to see is a non-militia tank properly fitted with a driver that knows what they're doing and it being solo'd.

I acctualy agree with a lot of Jason's ideas.

the vocal minority of weak tankers try to represent us as a whole.

They blame their failure's on HUGE design flaws in the game (there are some technical issues) and cry foul when they are outwitted by a clever AV or fellow tanker.

Take TakeCoverorDie for example.

Our team were fielding 3 rail tanks. It was an attrition PC battle and we were not playing so much to win as to deal as much monetary damage as possible. The numbers were against us in this match. We were known to be on the field and already destroyed a couple of tanks earlier.

Guess what this fool does?

He CONGA LINES with a second tank directly behind him (a red flag there. Conga Lines are horrible for tanks) with a BLASTER turret upon his tank. He gets hit a few times (an example of a sturdy build in the hands of an idiot), gets stuck due to a mix of user error, bad positioning, and general lack of situational awareness and gets blown up by the AV we were positioning near him.

Is this a CCP error that needs direct fixing, or is this an example of his own failings in the role?


HERE IS WHAT I THINK IS LEGITIMATE in regards to caldari tanks,

Increase PG/CPU a bit so they can fit more of their essential modules. Balance it carefully so we don't have a god-mode here.

Increase range/damage of their missile turrets. Even though I do stress HEAVILY on the importance of situational awareness, their bread and butter anti armor weapon needs a bit of a buff to be a bit more threatening.

Increase base move speed.




I DO NOT SUPPORT

-Any change that allows them to be superior vs. Infantry AND tanks.
-Any change that GREATLY increases PG/CPU for either Caldari or Gallente models.
Often times people think they are entitled to a win just because their vehicle is pricey. I am not one of those.
Cleverness, skill, teamwork should win the day, no matter how 'godly' the vehicle.

Here is my problem with the whole proto tank idea -
I have fits that can resist well against the normal (and damage modded) Proto level weaponry easily 1v1 or 1v2...
I am imagining that with the current level of Proto AV as it is, with a similar build and the ability to fit larger plates
even proto AV wouldn't be strong enough and if you weren't bringing full Proto, it would be an "I-Win" button for me, with the only counter being another tank or the entire other team fielding various AV. I don't like this.

Why?

Because it doesn't support squad-based combat.

The current situation between AV and Vehicles DEMANDS strong teamwork between squadmates.
Clear Communication
Intel being regularly reported
Flexibility of multiple roles within the squad able to kill or suppress enemy AV
and more.

These things can greatly increase your life expectancy.

You would not BELIEVE the teamwork required to fit AV grenades and a nanohive on my dropsuit. Difficult, but when it all comes together I can either take out that tank or drive it away crying. Feels good.


I believe a full squad of proto AV should be required to KILL a tank.

About 3 to drive it away and be a credible threat. If things are right, they'll get the kill too.

Anything less than that and they should be little more than annoyances.

I'm sorry Son-Of A-Gun, I wasn't paying attention and forgot whom I originally quoted. I'll correct my mistake.

Also my request was a bit more tricky than just recording getting a kill after all anyone can say a tank was properly fitted so we'll have to see the actual fit. So it'll require two people recording (the tanker & AV'er). You can pick whoever you want to be in the tank and the video will prove whether or not s/he actually knows what they're doing.

I can one man a tank without team work using Packed AV's, Hives and Flaylock Pistols, do you want a biscuit?

I pumped 10 straight ishukone assault FG shots with damage mods into blammos maddy to take him down...conescutive shots, like all in a row in the shortest time possible... it takes 9 shots for me to down a suppl depot.

This makes me think that tanks are fine and tankers are bad, but i think the shield reppers should be buffed to be as effective as armor reppers, make the shield tanks a bit more viable since they already deal with FG and railgun weaknesses.

Also think marauders should be brought back as they were, ran a sagaris last build, thought it was well balanced other than being too expensive and missles being useless against infantry & railgun snipers.