As I mentioned in an earlier post I would give our unbiased perspective on our trials and tribulations in planetary conquest.

Tonight we earned our first victory against SVER True Blood. They played an excellent match against us and just about cloned us out. It was extremely close. We had a remaining 11 clones (if I recall correctly) at the end of the match. We won the MCC battle for about 70% of the fight.

Only starting with 100 clones we had to play the MCC battle and we had to be extremely cautious with our clones. Our tactics were modified to fight a fierce opponent that cloned us out twice before. Luck and experience played a huge role in this victory and it was only achieved by the teamwork we displayed. I have to give credit on the players of SVER challenging our men on the outside points. They were top tier and killed me "too" many times to count.

The battle rages on and we will press on.

We still are recognizing that the 100 clone count is a huge disadvantage on the attacking corporation, but given this situation we (as well as our alliance, D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E) is working to adapt to these mechanics.

I'm still calling the community to push for changes to the starter clone pack. 100 clones is too low for a fair fight (even for a slightly disadvantaged fight).

The 100 clone limit is designed to give corporations who attack from districts a slight advantage. It has been discussed amongst the team and the CPM that it may be a fraction too small though. We are waiting to gather some more results on battles to see how close to the wire these new clone pack battles are getting and may adjust it again if too many battles are coming down to a clone victory for the defenders.

Thanks for the feedback.

The 100 clone limit is designed to give corporations who attack from districts a slight advantage. It has been discussed amongst the team and the CPM that it may be a fraction too small though. We are waiting to gather some more results on battles to see how close to the wire these new clone pack battles are getting and may adjust it again if too many battles are coming down to a clone victory for the defenders.

Thanks for the feedback.

would it not be an idea to let people double up clone packs?

CCP please get the Hint and bring back Mercenary Corp Contract Battle for the 1-2 million ISK. This is what the PLAYERS WANT !!!!!!!!!!!!


These New "supposedly" planned out PC, ISK costs still is just a Waste of the players time. We all know that "initial ISK cost reason" for Corps who do NOT OWN a district was due to ccp employee dumb logic that "Smurf Corps" would Ruin PC.

What still doesn't make sense is when Attacking a district is why the ***** does my Clone Army don't pitch a damm Tent and Re-Attack an hour later or the next day. can be applied for corps Owning and Non-owning districts

As I mentioned in an earlier post I would give our unbiased perspective on our trials and tribulations in planetary conquest.

Tonight we earned our first victory against SVER True Blood. They played an excellent match against us and just about cloned us out. It was extremely close. We had a remaining 11 clones (if I recall correctly) at the end of the match. We won the MCC battle for about 70% of the fight.

Only starting with 100 clones we had to play the MCC battle and we had to be extremely cautious with our clones. Our tactics were modified to fight a fierce opponent that cloned us out twice before. Luck and experience played a huge role in this victory and it was only achieved by the teamwork we displayed. I have to give credit on the players of SVER challenging our men on the outside points. They were top tier and killed me "too" many times to count.

The battle rages on and we will press on.

We still are recognizing that the 100 clone count is a huge disadvantage on the attacking corporation, but given this situation we (as well as our alliance, D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E) is working to adapt to these mechanics.

I'm still calling the community to push for changes to the starter clone pack. 100 clones is too low for a fair fight (even for a slightly disadvantaged fight).

First of all Id like to start of by saying that fighting sver has been very, very fun and competitive. By far the most enjoyable PC battles that I have been a part of and always a tough fight. Gotta give em some props.

There is no doubt that 100 clones is not enough. All you have to do is look at the scoreboard and see that you can have one hell of a good battle against a top tier opponent and barely win or lose by a little bit. I don't think the attacker could ever win by very much in this type of match while the defender could. Not to mention it makes you feel like you start way down to your opponent which is never good for morale. It pushes the attacker into a very cautious game which also cuts down on your strategy a bit and the fun sometimes. Hell I am sure sver would rather us fight them like men then blow them up from unknown locations because the clone limit just plain sucks.

The defender can use brute force to hold an objective or take it. The attacker can not do this at all. If they come in guns blazing you have to run hide and wait till they leave to get it back so you don't die and waste a clone. If your pushing and you barely get hurt your running to hide cause you cant waste a clone. The defender knows this and takes advantage of it. You are stuck with playing cautious as an attacker and attacker and cautious just don't fit together. Ive also thought that 120 would be a good number. 125 is fine also but something needs to be changed.

The 100 clone limit is designed to give corporations who attack from districts a slight advantage. It has been discussed amongst the team and the CPM that it may be a fraction too small though. We are waiting to gather some more results on battles to see how close to the wire these new clone pack battles are getting and may adjust it again if too many battles are coming down to a clone victory for the defenders.

Thanks for the feedback.

would it not be an idea to let people double up clone packs?

You also need to make new players able to gain SP faster to close the competitive gap.
There is no way a team of players with 5 million SP is going to beat a team with 15 million per player.
The "battle ready " player pool is too small and your game suffers for it.
Uncap to 10 million and this problem will be at least partially resolved.
A team with 5 million SP on average isn't going to even hold a single point in a PC match against people who have been getting skill points since open beta. Not even a single point. That might be fine in EvE, but in a FPS it just doesn't work.

Fact of the matter is it is possible to NEVER get cloned in a match.. all you have to do is stop spawning.

One of the PC's I fought recently we were doing very well on clones, out killing our opponent, but they had an edge of about 5-6 ticks on the MCC. The fight came down to the wire, they had 2 clones left and their team just stopped spawning. We raced to cap the remaining objectives but it was too late and we lost the MCC health battle by like 2-3 ticks.

Anyway, dont know if this helps or hurts the discussion just wanted to share.

Peace.

If they had run out of clones a minute earlier, they would have lost. Lose to MCC or lose to clones, makes no difference.

We end up playing to clone somebody out in about 20% of our matches. Usually end up being our closest matches (Play to win MCC, while inflicting heavy loses so that we can make the call to clone if we have to).

Draka has a good way of doing it as well. There are some creative things you can do with clone packs right now that allow powerful corps to use them in a way that encourages all-out attacks. Either 125 clone per pack, or different tiers of clone packs with a maximum district limit(Can't buy packs if you hold X districts). Both would be acceptable fixes.

The reup mechanic is awesome and it saves alot of time but with how it currently is 100 clones is not enough. Corps who don't have a district can't take advantage of this mechanic and I don't understand why ccp would gear it that way it discourages people from getting into pc. ccp should simply have different tiers of clone packs with increasing price tags (risk vs reward) 30mil
for 100, 100mil for 225 and 200mil for 350. They should also not allow corps with a district to use anything more than a 30mil clone pack.

Those price tags are so incredibly large that no one would buy them. Our guys wouldn't.

Be just about to flip a district but the server goes down during your PC. You'll get ur 30m back but have to spend even more because they get to regenerate

I like what was stated earlier, 125 clone pack for 40 mil and limited to those without districts or a certain amount. I believe thats pretty reasonable, maybe another pack of 175 to 200 clones for a much higher price tag but Only for Corps without districts.

The 100 clone limit is designed to give corporations who attack from districts a slight advantage. It has been discussed amongst the team and the CPM that it may be a fraction too small though. We are waiting to gather some more results on battles to see how close to the wire these new clone pack battles are getting and may adjust it again if too many battles are coming down to a clone victory for the defenders.

Thanks for the feedback.

Good game boys, solid effort put in today as well!

Corps looking to attack/defend without having to worry about clones should look into buying a district. In most cases, it is less expensive and less risky to buy a district than it is to take one. Chicagocubs4ever is the man to talk to. Teamplayers has a good selection of locations to choose from and have helped a great number of indie corps get involved in PC. Kane Spero(CPM) is another guy to talk to, but I think he is a little low on available districts at the moment.

PC is pretty much the only game mode that is fun. Getting 15 of your buddies together and going against another team is almost always a blast.

100 clones might be enough after the flaylock nerf. I can't explain to you how much that single weapon changes maps into giant meatgrinders.

You also need to make new players able to gain SP faster to close the competitive gap.
There is no way a team of players with 5 million SP is going to beat a team with 15 million per player.
The "battle ready " player pool is too small and your game suffers for it.
Uncap to 10 million and this problem will be at least partially resolved.
A team with 5 million SP on average isn't going to even hold a single point in a PC match against people who have been getting skill points since open beta. Not even a single point. That might be fine in EvE, but in a FPS it just doesn't work.

Cenex Langly I could not agree more the clone packs need maybe 120 .

Good game boys, solid effort put in today as well!

does anyone know if ccp is going to allow corp battles just for corp battles instead of district control?

I'm not sure if you know how to read, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since you managed to type an entire paragraph together. NO ONE cares about buying districts from you. NO ONE. We're trying to fight for our districts. Take your garbage to another thread.

Let me also say that we are not an "Indie" corp. So get that garbage out of here as well.

You want to keep failing to take a district because the PC mechanics don't work correctly right now, that is your own choice.
I don't like personal attacks and I *can* read. Keep running your mouth. I was trying to help you, legit. Mutual benefit.

i died 11 times.
6 by flaylock
1 by officer AR
1 by boundless heavy




and 3....team....kills......all by one guy.


got 2 kills though. only by the heavy having low hp, i mean one shot hes dead low hp. and i think they were both while using a crw scrambler.

PC battles are freakin tough when you have low sp.
it was my first one, and my first time using my proto suit.
thanks for poppin my cherry guys.
saw some holes in your play style because i was able to view the battlefield, but you guys had one unstoppable force.
trying not to say anything, for those days to come. but beware......i..prolly wont be ready, after a 2/11 with only 1000 wp as a logi i wont be playing another pc for a few more k sp.

does anyone know if ccp is going to allow corp battles just for corp battles instead of district control?

What Cenex was trying to say basically is that we are fighters. We are always with our backs against the wall and we will come out on top at some time. When we do that it will feel much more rewarding then buying a district. Our guys work too hard and have put forth such an effort that buying a district would feel like we admitted defeat. That my man is something we will never do. We will never stop trying. That is why I love playing with these guys. We want to be feared yes but respected even more and buying a district doesn't buy you respect nor does it open any eyes. Our corp is full of heart and determination and we will succeed as long as we put our heads down and keep pushing on.

LOL at all the ppl commenting on PC, yet they don't even play in it.

You want more than 100 clones then you better go and get some land

You want to keep failing to take a district because the PC mechanics don't work correctly right now, that is your own choice.
I don't like personal attacks and I *can* read. Keep running your mouth. I was trying to help you, legit. Mutual benefit.

It is no different than if a clone pack only gave you 50 clones. 100 is simply not enough. This thread was made, in part, to express this fact. I get it that you want to "earn" your district... You can still "earn" a district if you buy one, it would just be your second district. Which you would be fighting for on an even playing field.

I respect that you have heart... most of the guys we face in PC give up after 3 or 4 days, Fortitude is something that is severely lacking in Molden Heath at the moment. But there is no dishonor in buying a district (Buy one from somebody else, I don't care if WE get paid, the game needs more dedicated groups to battle and we have enough ISK anyway) and you are doing yourself a disservice by trying to tackle a difficult task without the right equipment (clones).

LOL at all the ppl commenting on PC, yet they don't even play in it.

You want more than 100 clones then you better go and get some land

You are not understanding that we're trying to CHANGE the current mechanics. No one cares about you or your "Help" to the community. You're trying to make a profit, whether it be legit or not. Go sell that shameful garbage to some other group. You belittle the community with your "indie" words and your "attempt to help". If you wanted to help you'd recognize the problem and find a way to solve it rather than taking advantage of it. Can you recognize your own faults?

I got to give it to you guys in dark who keep attacking us every day even if you win or lose .

Iv played about 3 of them battles and I remember the first one when I played and i just ran into about 6 of your guys and droped a drop uplink and I had a heavy just stare at me like wtf just happend for at least 5 seconds lol and to the guy last night who killed me going up them ladders 5 times in a row with flaylock pistol **** you lol and 1 more thing I had grate fun running in circles withyour dropship poilet at echo for the lasthalf of the match where we kept hacking back and forth when we finnaly would kill each other

Here's the battle in question. It was a very fun and exciting fight. I stopped recording right away by accident but I will give you the KD scores from the battle(only got top 10 guys for each side). We also fought 1 man short for a long time. somebody dc and we did not noticed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvUS87stGNU

STB
1 . 16-2
2. 13-6
3.13-4
4.7-10
5.8-3
6. 2/4
7. 2/9
8.13-8
9. 1-9
10. 6-14

Dark Legion
1. 12/10
2. 8-10
3. 4-8
4. 5-9
5. 3-6
6. 16-9
7. 4-4
8. 13-2
9. 11-5
10. 0-7

If I had the power to change the mechanics I would have by now. But I don't. Read the thread from start to finish. I offer suggestions that would fix the mechanic and then offer you a temporary fix. Buy a district from somebody else... Could care less. Accusing me of being a profiteer isn't going to help you though. Fact is, without new blood in PC this game will die(many proclaim it dead already). We would make more money sitting on our districts than selling them.

Blah Blah Blah Blah

^-- Look at me, I've resulted to childish antics!

What Cenex was trying to say basically is that we are fighters. We are always with our backs against the wall and we will come out on top at some time. When we do that it will feel much more rewarding then buying a district. Our guys work too hard and have put forth such an effort that buying a district would feel like we admitted defeat. That my man is something we will never do. We will never stop trying. That is why I love playing with these guys. We want to be feared yes but respected even more and buying a district doesn't buy you respect nor does it open any eyes. Our corp is full of heart and determination and we will succeed as long as we put our heads down and keep pushing on.