Honestly...

It just means most of us are taking off our needle (figuratively). At least it does for me. Wanna nerf my suit? Thats cool... you guys can cry when none of those logis are giving you that much needed nanohive or reps and not even carrying a needle to bother with reviving you

Because Caldari Logi's were doing this before?

Because Caldari Logi's were doing this before?

Anyone else find this hilariously ironic since CCP is buffing the Amarr logi towards a more viable assault playstyle

You mean it's intend role from the beginning? Did the side-arm not make it obvious before?

I happily ran a GEK instead of a duvolle so I could run proto needle and ishukone gauged nanos.

Now I'll probably still run a GEK... but defo getting rid of the wiyrkomi needle, and possibly more depending on how the suit pans out. Not sure how this CPU starvation is going to work with running two complex regulators.

Anyone else find this hilariously ironic since CCP is buffing the Amarr logi towards a more viable assault playstyle

What you dont think its funny people will ***** and moan about one suit doing something while at the same time creaming their pants that a different suit is going to go do the same thing?

I think my voice needs to be heard for this one with a simple yes i was a cal logi that always cared about my team and made sure they were still alive only when they were alive and had full armour would i ever go on the agressive.

CPU starvation? So you're already using a complex CPU upgrade huh?

Pretty sure everyone knew from the get go of PreUprising the Amarr Logi was always supposed to be theAssault/Logi Hybrid of the 4 races but never to the extent of the Caldari Logi we have today. The changes made wete desperately needed though we will be much more viable than before we still suffer from horrible available PG, alotworsethan 20-30 CPU,friend

So what are you trying to insinuate here?

No i'm not. Im 730k SP away from it atm. Should have it in about 2.5 weeks or so.

... holy **** those things are expensive.

That all your complaining and then rejoicing is pretty god damned funny and your justifications for it even more so, thats what Im insinuating

Goddamn Butthurt Caldari Logi's.. don't feed me your tears. You're not even making sense mow.

Provide actual debate to my statements or cry somewhere else. Thank you.

Except I didnt come here to debate, I came here to laugh at you
You want to talk tears but all the threads I see are people that were kicking and screaming like children about the suit now telling us that we should feel bad and start crying because you guys cried
If you dont want to talk the specifics of the nerf though the skill change is fine but the cpu reduction is not and only serves to harm those who were playing the suit to its intended role and just gives more evidence to the idea people have that CCP knows **** all about properly balancing the game first going to far in one direction and then to far in the opposite

Except I didnt come here to debate, I came here to laugh at you
You want to talk tears but all the threads I see are people that were kicking and screaming like children about the suit now telling us that we should feel bad and start crying because you guys cried
If you dont want to talk the specifics of the nerf though the skill change is fine but the cpu reduction is not and only serves to harm those who were playing the suit to its intended role and just gives more evidence to the idea people have that CCP knows **** all about properly balancing the game first going to far in one direction and then to far in the opposite

So far I have seen only one thread to that effect Jaqen, I have seen several posts saying essentially what I said in the post you quoted but its outnumbered by the people patting themselves on the back and circle jerking each other over getting something else nerfed

Oh sure, but anyone who isn't an ammar assault bitching about amarr logis is a scrub.

Now amarr assaults, they could use a buff too, maybe get brought up to 5.0 speed like the other suits?

And why shouldn't they? You guys have been dominating the game for the last 2 months and now we're finally seeing balance being restored. Why wouldn't they be happy? Only one's who aren't happy are those who ran the suit and are being forced to play on a more balanced battlefield.

Your argument is a logical fallacy that assumes every single person in a caldari logistics suit was running it as a super tanked assault, try again

No you try again. Even if they were more actual Logi Caldari Logi's than Assault Caldari Logi's it would not diminish the fact that the suit was OP and did more than fulfill it's intended role.

You know what, in fact, don't try again. You're spewing out nothing but nonsense and tears, just leave my thread. I'm done with you.

I am Butthurrt Please listen to my QQ

As an Amarr Logi since the beginning of Uprising, I have never cried for a respec. The fact Cal Logi's are crying for one now over this very forgiving nerf, Disgusts me.

First off a majority of you went with the suit in first place knowing full well it was OP and sucscepeptible to getting nerfed, live with your decisions.

You have 5 freaking High Slots and 4 Freaking Lows and you've been given a racial bonus that is just as good if not better than your previous one. And now your trying to claim to CCP and the rest of us your suit is now utterly useless because of 20-30 CPU?

Try Changing one of those Complex modules to enhanced, try using one of those many low slots for a CPU upgrade, try taking off that Duvolle Assault rifle in exchange for a Gek or an Exile because in case you haven't learned yet, You are not Assault Suits!

Adapt or Die

/ End Rant

Honestly...

It just means most of us are taking off our needle (figuratively). At least it does for me. Wanna nerf my suit? Thats cool... you guys can cry when none of those logis are giving you that much needed nanohive or reps and not even carrying a needle to bother with reviving you

Honestly...

It just means most of us are taking off our needle (figuratively). At least it does for me. Wanna nerf my suit? Thats cool... you guys can cry when none of those logis are giving you that much needed nanohive or reps and not even carrying a needle to bother with reviving you

Honestly...

It just means most of us are taking off our needle (figuratively). At least it does for me. Wanna nerf my suit? Thats cool... you guys can cry when none of those logis are giving you that much needed nanohive or reps and not even carrying a needle to bother with reviving you

3/4 of my low slots are being used by enhanced CPU and PG extenders. Calogi wasn't OP, people just couldn't attack assaults anymore cause their suits suck now, so they chose the next best target that was effective at "OP" shield tanking with an AR... the caldari logi suit.

Amarr assaults are fine.
They have the highest eHP potential of all suits, thanks to their higher base eHP and the higher CPU/PG.

Honestly...

It just means most of us are taking off our needle (figuratively). At least it does for me. Wanna nerf my suit? Thats cool... you guys can cry when none of those logis are giving you that much needed nanohive or reps and not even carrying a needle to bother with reviving you

As an Amarr Logi since the beginning of Uprising, I have never cried for a respec. The fact Cal Logi's are crying for one now over this very forgiving nerf, Disgusts me.

First off a majority of you went with the suit in first place knowing full well it was OP and sucscepeptible to getting nerfed, live with your decisions.

You have 5 freaking High Slots and 4 Freaking Lows and you've been given a racial bonus that is just as good if not better than your previous one. And now your trying to claim to CCP and the rest of us your suit is now utterly useless because of 20-30 CPU?

Try Changing one of those Complex modules to enhanced, try using one of those many low slots for a CPU upgrade, try taking off that Duvolle Assault rifle in exchange for a Gek or an Exile because in case you haven't learned yet, You are not Assault Suits!

Adapt or Die

As an Amarr Logi since the beginning of Uprising, I have never cried for a respec. The fact Cal Logi's are crying for one now over this very forgiving nerf, Disgusts me.

First off a majority of you went with the suit in first place knowing full well it was OP and sucscepeptible to getting nerfed, live with your decisions.

You have 5 freaking High Slots and 4 Freaking Lows and you've been given a racial bonus that is just as good if not better than your previous one. And now your trying to claim to CCP and the rest of us your suit is now utterly useless because of 20-30 CPU?

Try Changing one of those Complex modules to enhanced, try using one of those many low slots for a CPU upgrade, try taking off that Duvolle Assault rifle in exchange for a Gek or an Exile because in case you haven't learned yet, You are not Assault Suits!

Adapt or Die

/ End Rant

And so goes the most idiotic saying ever. Why even have a turn based PRG style leveling system from the 80s?...hell from the 70s...this stuff was taken from dungeon and dragons. Shouldn't we be adopting to players and their actual game playing skills rather then adopting to a video game anachronism meant to tell stories?

As an Amarr Logi since the beginning of Uprising, I have never cried for a respec. The fact Cal Logi's are crying for one now over this very forgiving nerf, Disgusts me.

They are not assault suits. So let them respec into assault suits.



And so goes the most idiotic saying ever. Why even have a turn based PRG style leveling system from the 80s?...hell from the 70s...this stuff was taken from dungeon and dragons. Shouldn't we be adopting to players and their actual game playing skills rather then adopting to a video game anachronism meant to tell stories?

I simply must point out that you just made our argument for us. You're right, they AREN'T assault suits. So, those people who used them as such should be rewarded why? They have had months of win, and now that the suit is being modified to suit its intended role instead of the one they abused it with, they should be given the SP back to go into something else?

Well.. there are only three scenarios here.

1. You let those players spec into assault suits instead, so they can actually be assault players.

2. They continue to play cal logi assault (relatively effectively for most, except for shotgun logis which got it the worst).

3. They quit the game.

Which would you prefer?

My money is on 3, since choosing that seems most hard core.

Honestly...

It just means most of us are taking off our needle (figuratively). At least it does for me. Wanna nerf my suit? Thats cool... you guys can cry when none of those logis are giving you that much needed nanohive or reps and not even carrying a needle to bother with reviving you

Newsflash...since build #2....all the reaaaallly good assault guys...omg....carry their OWN NANOHIVES! Holy Sh*t.

What you dont think its funny people will ***** and moan about one suit doing something while at the same time creaming their pants that a different suit is going to go do the same thing?

Well.. there are only three scenarios here.

1. You let those players spec into assault suits instead, so they can actually be assault players.

2. They continue to play cal logi assault (relatively effectively for most, except for shotgun logis which got it the worst).

3. They quit the game.

Which would you prefer?

I don't want anyone to leave the game, I want it to be balanced and not give people who follow the OP path carte blanche to keep doing it and ruining it for everyone else. Why do we want the higher end players to be able to keep rearranging their SP whenever they feel like it? That doesn't help the new players or diversity. It's a very different philosophy than being HaRd CoRe!!1!!1! and wanting everyone else out.
So, I choose 2, they made their bed and now lie in it. You could also add 4, they realize their mistake, play logi for now and then skill into assault. It's not like the suit is useless now, you can still do a lot with CPU modules and the 5 high slots.

Look, it's not like I wouldn't benefit from a respec myself: I had started going into Amarr logi because it's intended function (durable combat logi with a sidearm) fits my playstyle. I got tired of waiting for them to fix it, and against my better judgement went into caldari logi using my triple SP, though I did have the good sense to stop at level 3 because I just knew it would be nerfed at some point because it was ludicrous how unkillable they were. So, I wasted a pretty good chunk of my triple SP skilling into another race's tree entirely. And guess what, do I QQ because a much-needed adjustment was made? No, I learn my lesson and have more foresight next time. If they start handing out respecs I'm going to take it because I don't enjoy getting protostomped in pub matches and I'm not about to lose any ground to the FotM chasers, but I don't think it's a good decision for them to do it.
Periodic respecs, especially if they make changes to the skill tree itself, sure, that makes sense. But, anyone who thinks that every weapon and suit will stay exactly the same it is, especially when there is a clear problem like with the old TAR's and now the calLogi, is not paying attention.

To all you caldari logi whining dip sticks' I'd like to see how you would fair using a proto scout suit for a week.

I use a cpu upgrade and a pg upgrade in my lows while only running adv equipment. Now I really have to upgrade my electronics and engineering to lvl 5. I don't know why people think cal logi is op. Maybe their gun game just sucked thats they all started speccing into flaylocks. When this update comes it will be the same just everyone screaming op about cal assault suit.

Waiting for the first [AMARR LOGI OP OMG] thread to pop up.

My suit is finally good and I can see doom in the horizon already :(

ps. Amarr logi was and still is the most balanced suit imo.

Thing is they're not done adjusting the suits yet either :D