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ZDub 303
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:28:00 -
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Honestly...
It just means most of us are taking off our needle (figuratively). At least it does for me. Wanna nerf my suit? Thats cool... you guys can cry when none of those logis are giving you that much needed nanohive or reps and not even carrying a needle to bother with reviving you  |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:40:00 -
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I happily ran a GEK instead of a duvolle so I could run proto needle and ishukone gauged nanos.
Now I'll probably still run a GEK... but defo getting rid of the wiyrkomi needle, and possibly more depending on how the suit pans out. Not sure how this CPU starvation is going to work with running two complex regulators. |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:46:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:I happily ran a GEK instead of a duvolle so I could run proto needle and ishukone gauged nanos.
Now I'll probably still run a GEK... but defo getting rid of the wiyrkomi needle, and possibly more depending on how the suit pans out. Not sure how this CPU starvation is going to work with running two complex regulators. CPU starvation?  So you're already using a complex CPU upgrade huh?
No i'm not. Im 730k SP away from it atm. Should have it in about 2.5 weeks or so. |
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:52:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:I happily ran a GEK instead of a duvolle so I could run proto needle and ishukone gauged nanos.
Now I'll probably still run a GEK... but defo getting rid of the wiyrkomi needle, and possibly more depending on how the suit pans out. Not sure how this CPU starvation is going to work with running two complex regulators. CPU starvation? So you're already using a complex CPU upgrade huh? No i'm not. Im 730k SP away from it atm. Should have it in about 2.5 weeks or so. ... holy **** those things are expensive.
777k for level 5 electronics. But hey what do you do... still a month away from FF14 release. |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 21:30:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:I simply must point out that you just made our argument for us. You're right, they AREN'T assault suits. So, those people who used them as such should be rewarded why? They have had months of win, and now that the suit is being modified to suit its intended role instead of the one they abused it with, they should be given the SP back to go into something else?
Well.. there are only three scenarios here.
1. You let those players spec into assault suits instead, so they can actually be assault players.
2. They continue to play cal logi assault (relatively effectively for most, except for shotgun logis which got it the worst).
3. They quit the game.
Which would you prefer? |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 21:47:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:My money is on 3, since choosing that seems most hard core.
I find that quite interesting. It seems that most people are wanting this from what I see on the forums.
I can't imagine a developer actively encouraging their players to quit playing their game though... seems like bad business to me. |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 22:33:00 -
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Rahl Draak wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Honestly... It just means most of us are taking off our needle (figuratively). At least it does for me. Wanna nerf my suit? Thats cool... you guys can cry when none of those logis are giving you that much needed nanohive or reps and not even carrying a needle to bother with reviving you Newsflash...since build #2....all the reaaaallly good assault guys...omg....carry their OWN NANOHIVES! Holy Sh*t.
So what's the point of a logi then? Cause they obviously aren't supposed to be slayers. |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 22:58:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:I simply must point out that you just made our argument for us. You're right, they AREN'T assault suits. So, those people who used them as such should be rewarded why? They have had months of win, and now that the suit is being modified to suit its intended role instead of the one they abused it with, they should be given the SP back to go into something else? Well.. there are only three scenarios here. 1. You let those players spec into assault suits instead, so they can actually be assault players. 2. They continue to play cal logi assault (relatively effectively for most, except for shotgun logis which got it the worst). 3. They quit the game. Which would you prefer? I don't want anyone to leave the game, I want it to be balanced and not give people who follow the OP path carte blanche to keep doing it and ruining it for everyone else. Why do we want the higher end players to be able to keep rearranging their SP whenever they feel like it? That doesn't help the new players or diversity. It's a very different philosophy than being HaRd CoRe!!1!!1! and wanting everyone else out. So, I choose 2, they made their bed and now lie in it. You could also add 4, they realize their mistake, play logi for now and then skill into assault. It's not like the suit is useless now, you can still do a lot with CPU modules and the 5 high slots. Look, it's not like I wouldn't benefit from a respec myself: I had started going into Amarr logi because it's intended function (durable combat logi with a sidearm) fits my playstyle. I got tired of waiting for them to fix it, and against my better judgement went into caldari logi using my triple SP, though I did have the good sense to stop at level 3 because I just knew it would be nerfed at some point because it was ludicrous how unkillable they were. So, I wasted a pretty good chunk of my triple SP skilling into another race's tree entirely. And guess what, do I QQ because a much-needed adjustment was made? No, I learn my lesson and have more foresight next time. If they start handing out respecs I'm going to take it because I don't enjoy getting protostomped in pub matches and I'm not about to lose any ground to the FotM chasers, but I don't think it's a good decision for them to do it. Periodic respecs, especially if they make changes to the skill tree itself, sure, that makes sense. But, anyone who thinks that every weapon and suit will stay exactly the same it is, especially when there is a clear problem like with the old TAR's and now the calLogi, is not paying attention.
Well I hope you don't cry when, come 1.3, you're still getting killed by slayer logis. Many people don't have the willpower to grind 2.47 million SP for another suit. Not right now at least.
If 1.4 comes out without a respec though, I suspect its probably over for this game. But we'll see what happens. |
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Posted - 2013.07.20 23:06:00 -
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GRIM GEAR wrote:To all you caldari logi whining dip sticks' I'd like to see how you would fair using a proto scout suit for a week  .
Still surprises me that anyone would run scout. I looked at the base stats and slot count, laughed, and moved on. |
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