DUST Search - My thoughts on the Cal logi nerf

General John Ripper wrote:

Tharak Meuridiar wrote:

ZDub 303 wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

I'm skilled to L5 in Electronics and pretty high in the other reduction of CPU usage skills and I won't be able to run proto equipment.

Unless someone is paying me out of pocket I'll choose my life and my killing ability over running a crap tank or a crap gun just so I can lay out good nanohives.

Whoever thought up the 20 CPU reduction thought that out for about 10 seconds.

I wish CCP could understand this. If the choice is proto equipment or proto modules... its pretty clear what 99% of logis are going to pick. No one wants to sacrifice like 30-40% of their hp to run proto equipment... which is meant to help the team... not themselves.

Logi is about the team and not yourself. If you think anything else you picked the wrong suit.

I sacrifice my hp to run proto equipment. Sure I can turn my dropsuit into a bossing shield tank but I don't need it. I much rather have nanohives that can repair my team and the ability to drop 3 uplinks at a time. The problem is with the PG which I replace some extenders for shield energizers. Then a cpu upgrade lets me equip anything I want.

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hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 109	Posted - 2013.07.19 10:06:00 - [1] - Quote I am a cal logi. Just wanted to say that. I agree and dis-agree with the nerf. I agree with changing the racial bonus. I dont agree about taking away 20 CPU ATM as a logi I can hardly fit my basic equipment proto modules and proto/adv wapons As a logi grenades are a dream. You must realize that it would be necessary to have proto PG/CPU upgrades to fit a good logi bro now Also I read the dev blog and when they mentioned "People were using the logistics suit as an assault" it troubles me New Eden is harsh we all know that someway or another I feel that CCP is taking away our 'dropsuit' freedom when they say stuff like this In the end if someone is using the logi as an assault and you want them to use it as a logibro If you make it harder to use as assault Chances are they will just go assault and not logi bro Sorry if my spelling/grammar is bad for it is late and it is too dark to see the keyboard. Feel free to hate ...
xSir Campsalotx D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 20	Posted - 2013.07.19 10:19:00 - [2] - Quote I think logis should have more life look at the vehicles. Just don't allow logis to run damage mods, make equipment a requirment, and make the gun have the same as or lesser meta level than said equipment. Thus no duvolle without pro rep tool, hives, needle, but you could run adv weapon with adv equipment. It would be possible to run pro equipment and a duvolle at the cost of tank thus no possible way to run a proper slayer class. The logi drop ship runs a considerably higher buffer of shield compared to the assualt variant.
Lt Royal Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 172	Posted - 2013.07.19 10:40:00 - [3] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: I dont agree about taking away 20 CPU ATM as a logi I can hardly fit my basic equipment proto modules and proto/adv wapons You must realize that it would be necessary to have proto PG/CPU upgrades to fit a good logi bro now I'm not saying you haven't done this: you may or may not have done so, but IGÇÖve honed my skills into level 5 Dropsuit Upgrades, Engineering and Electronics so I can theorycraft my fittings to my heart's desire. But I see a lot of people complaining/concerning about this nerf to fitting costs. What I'm wondering: have those people skilled into high level fitting skills at all? They aren't cheap (777,300 SP level 5) and too some people a 5% increase doesn't sound like much of an increase in the ways of max CPU/PG. If they haven't skilled into fitting skills, I can see where their worries are coming from.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood 890	Posted - 2013.07.19 10:46:00 - [4] - Quote It should be hard to fit an all proto/complex suit... and expensive too lol
Medical Crash Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 22	Posted - 2013.07.19 11:23:00 - [5] - Quote The Cal Logis had this coming. Can't wait for the Flaylock losers to get the Michael Richards nerf as well. I kid you not these people use the FP as their primary then switch weapons.....It takes CCP time to "fix" things, but by god the do fix it. Now if they could just repair the faulty aiming system....My shotguns weep.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2572	Posted - 2013.07.19 12:09:00 - [6] - Quote I ran fully dedicated Logistics back in Codex, and somewhat the same in Chromosome, and being less able to run-and-gun than Assault suits never bothered me. Believe it or not, some of us enjoy providing support.
Cosgar ParagonX 2861	Posted - 2013.07.19 12:14:00 - [7] - Quote xSir Campsalotx wrote: I think logis should have more life look at the vehicles. Just don't allow logis to run damage mods, make equipment a requirment, and make the gun have the same as or lesser meta level than said equipment. Thus no duvolle without pro rep tool, hives, needle, but you could run adv weapon with adv equipment. It would be possible to run pro equipment and a duvolle at the cost of tank thus no possible way to run a proper slayer class. The logi drop ship runs a considerably higher buffer of shield compared to the assualt variant. If that happens, it should be across the board and not just one suit class, especially when the other 3 suits are perfectly balanced. I use the Minmatar and can't get anywhere near the EHP any of the other logis can get, but I'm a little faster with a racial bonus that makes me popular in Skirmish and PC.
Jaqen Morghalis Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 170	Posted - 2013.07.19 12:21:00 - [8] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: I ran fully dedicated Logistics back in Codex, and somewhat the same in Chromosome, and being less able to run-and-gun than Assault suits never bothered me. Believe it or not, some of us enjoy providing support. Just wait until they swap in the equipement-specific bonuses to the Logi suits! Us Support Logi's are going to rock!
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2573	Posted - 2013.07.19 12:45:00 - [9] - Quote Jaqen Morghalis wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: I ran fully dedicated Logistics back in Codex, and somewhat the same in Chromosome, and being less able to run-and-gun than Assault suits never bothered me. Believe it or not, some of us enjoy providing support. Just wait until they swap in the equipement-specific bonuses to the Logi suits! Us Support Logi's are going to rock! Oh hell yeah. Logistics is probably the only suit role other than Pilot that I'll be putting points into.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 96	Posted - 2013.07.19 13:14:00 - [10] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: You must realize that it would be necessary to have proto PG/CPU upgrades to fit a good logi bro now Isn't that the whole point? Why should I spec Engineering and Electronics when I don't need it for a good fit?

Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1356	Posted - 2013.07.19 13:16:00 - [11] - Quote Its another case of over nerfing something Changing the bonus was all well and good, touching the CPU at all was a mistake Its happened with other stuff in the game far to often and gives credence to the idea that CCP knows **** all about weapon balancing
SirManBoy Molon Labe. League of Infamy 102	Posted - 2013.07.19 13:56:00 - [12] - Quote I was using the suit as intended (support role, proto equipment across the board, etc.) and all this nerf does is hurt me. If anything, you should have just made the suit the shielding counterpart to the Gallente by taking away a low spot and adding another equipment slot. That would have taken something away from assault wannabes and given support players something useful in its place. As it stands, you've turned away assault players but hurt true logi bros in the process.
I-Shayz-I Not Guilty EoN. 415	Posted - 2013.07.19 14:46:00 - [13] - Quote Caldari Logi is fine now. You have the most slots, doesn't mean you have to fit all of them with proto equipment. The logistics dropsuit is the most versatile, not the one that can be fit the easiest. So you have have a bunch of different modules in the high slots and low slots. Also, don't forget about pg/cpu modules. The Caldari relies on these more than any other one because of the number of high slots it has.
Lucifalic Baked n Loaded 5	Posted - 2013.07.19 14:59:00 - [14] - Quote Omg you mean I can't run all proto logi, I have to think/plan my build and role?? My support suit isn't cant take every other suit head on and laugh while their heads a splode So much rage ... Try playing a scout
Dale Templar Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 310	Posted - 2013.07.19 15:01:00 - [15] - Quote SirManBoy wrote: I was using the suit as intended (support role, proto equipment across the board, etc.) and all this nerf does is hurt me. If anything, you should have just made the suit the shielding counterpart to the Gallente by taking away a low spot and adding another equipment slot. That would have taken something away from assault wannabes and given support players something useful in its place. As it stands, you've turned away assault players but hurt true logi bros in the process. Oh please you have a 20 CPU reduction, make some sacrifices in your weapon or modules to fit your equipment, you aren't meant to be a tank.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 676	Posted - 2013.07.19 15:07:00 - [16] - Quote Lt Royal wrote: hackerzilla wrote: I dont agree about taking away 20 CPU ATM as a logi I can hardly fit my basic equipment proto modules and proto/adv wapons You must realize that it would be necessary to have proto PG/CPU upgrades to fit a good logi bro now I'm not saying you haven't done this: you may or may not have done so, but IGÇÖve honed my skills into level 5 Dropsuit Upgrades, Engineering and Electronics so I can theorycraft my fittings to my heart's desire. But I see a lot of people complaining/concerning about this nerf to fitting costs. What I'm wondering: have those people skilled into high level fitting skills at all? They aren't cheap (777,300 SP level 5) and too some people a 5% increase doesn't sound like much of an increase in the ways of max CPU/PG. If they haven't skilled into fitting skills, I can see where their worries are coming from. I'm skilled to L5 in Electronics and pretty high in the other reduction of CPU usage skills and I won't be able to run proto equipment. Unless someone is paying me out of pocket I'll choose my life and my killing ability over running a crap tank or a crap gun just so I can lay out good nanohives. Whoever thought up the 20 CPU reduction thought that out for about 10 seconds.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. League of Infamy 676	Posted - 2013.07.19 15:10:00 - [17] - Quote Dale Templar wrote: SirManBoy wrote: I was using the suit as intended (support role, proto equipment across the board, etc.) and all this nerf does is hurt me. If anything, you should have just made the suit the shielding counterpart to the Gallente by taking away a low spot and adding another equipment slot. That would have taken something away from assault wannabes and given support players something useful in its place. As it stands, you've turned away assault players but hurt true logi bros in the process. Oh please you have a 20 CPU reduction, make some sacrifices in your weapon or modules to fit your equipment, you aren't meant to be a tank. Why would he spend 200,000+ on a suit that he can't kill with or won't survive outside of a pub match??? And SMB there is a true logi medic and a good one, but he's also not a dumbass. He's not going to run expensive equipment on a suit made of glass. He and I have been playing this game a long time. We talk a lot about fittings for logis. We help get our guys squared away. The 20 CPU nerf made cal logis into assaults not the other way around. If you can't see this then I'm not sure what to tell you.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1040	Posted - 2013.07.19 15:12:00 - [18] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm skilled to L5 in Electronics and pretty high in the other reduction of CPU usage skills and I won't be able to run proto equipment. Unless someone is paying me out of pocket I'll choose my life and my killing ability over running a crap tank or a crap gun just so I can lay out good nanohives. Whoever thought up the 20 CPU reduction thought that out for about 10 seconds. I wish CCP could understand this. If the choice is proto equipment or proto modules... its pretty clear what 99% of logis are going to pick. No one wants to sacrifice like 30-40% of their hp to run proto equipment... which is meant to help the team... not themselves.
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 64	Posted - 2013.07.19 15:14:00 - [19] - Quote Dale Templar wrote: SirManBoy wrote: I was using the suit as intended (support role, proto equipment across the board, etc.) and all this nerf does is hurt me. If anything, you should have just made the suit the shielding counterpart to the Gallente by taking away a low spot and adding another equipment slot. That would have taken something away from assault wannabes and given support players something useful in its place. As it stands, you've turned away assault players but hurt true logi bros in the process. Oh please you have a 20 CPU reduction, make some sacrifices in your weapon or modules to fit your equipment, you aren't meant to be a tank. 20 at standard Proto will be even worse.
Tharak Meuridiar The Empyrean Agency 188	Posted - 2013.07.19 15:19:00 - [20] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm skilled to L5 in Electronics and pretty high in the other reduction of CPU usage skills and I won't be able to run proto equipment. Unless someone is paying me out of pocket I'll choose my life and my killing ability over running a crap tank or a crap gun just so I can lay out good nanohives. Whoever thought up the 20 CPU reduction thought that out for about 10 seconds. I wish CCP could understand this. If the choice is proto equipment or proto modules... its pretty clear what 99% of logis are going to pick. No one wants to sacrifice like 30-40% of their hp to run proto equipment... which is meant to help the team... not themselves. Logi is about the team and not yourself. If you think anything else you picked the wrong suit.

General John Ripper The Generals EoN. 1841	Posted - 2013.07.19 15:24:00 - [21] - Quote Tharak Meuridiar wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm skilled to L5 in Electronics and pretty high in the other reduction of CPU usage skills and I won't be able to run proto equipment. Unless someone is paying me out of pocket I'll choose my life and my killing ability over running a crap tank or a crap gun just so I can lay out good nanohives. Whoever thought up the 20 CPU reduction thought that out for about 10 seconds. I wish CCP could understand this. If the choice is proto equipment or proto modules... its pretty clear what 99% of logis are going to pick. No one wants to sacrifice like 30-40% of their hp to run proto equipment... which is meant to help the team... not themselves. Logi is about the team and not yourself. If you think anything else you picked the wrong suit. I sacrifice my hp to run proto equipment. Sure I can turn my dropsuit into a bossing shield tank but I don't need it. I much rather have nanohives that can repair my team and the ability to drop 3 uplinks at a time. The problem is with the PG which I replace some extenders for shield energizers. Then a cpu upgrade lets me equip anything I want.
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 113	Posted - 2013.07.19 17:43:00 - [22] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: hackerzilla wrote: You must realize that it would be necessary to have proto PG/CPU upgrades to fit a good logi bro now Isn't that the whole point? Why should I spec Engineering and Electronics when I don't need it for a good fit? Some of us don't have the SP and It would take about 2 months from now to get both PG/CPU proto with boosters running.
Kinky Burrito A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 90	Posted - 2013.07.19 17:55:00 - [23] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: Tharak Meuridiar wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: I'm skilled to L5 in Electronics and pretty high in the other reduction of CPU usage skills and I won't be able to run proto equipment. Unless someone is paying me out of pocket I'll choose my life and my killing ability over running a crap tank or a crap gun just so I can lay out good nanohives. Whoever thought up the 20 CPU reduction thought that out for about 10 seconds. I wish CCP could understand this. If the choice is proto equipment or proto modules... its pretty clear what 99% of logis are going to pick. No one wants to sacrifice like 30-40% of their hp to run proto equipment... which is meant to help the team... not themselves. Logi is about the team and not yourself. If you think anything else you picked the wrong suit. I sacrifice my hp to run proto equipment. Sure I can turn my dropsuit into a bossing shield tank but I don't need it. I much rather have nanohives that can repair my team and the ability to drop 3 uplinks at a time. The problem is with the PG which I replace some extenders for shield energizers. Then a cpu upgrade lets me equip anything I want. This. Being able to run Proto rep nanos and uplinks is pretty critical, and its worth sacrificing hp. As an Amarr, my road block is PG, though with the new low slot I can fit in a pg upgrade, which actually brings us about even with the other races in pg and CPU.
Bob Teller Red Star. EoN. 37	Posted - 2013.07.19 18:04:00 - [24] - Quote SirManBoy wrote: I was using the suit as intended (support role, proto equipment across the board, etc.) and all this nerf does is hurt me. If anything, you should have just made the suit the shielding counterpart to the Gallente by taking away a low spot and adding another equipment slot. That would have taken something away from assault wannabes and given support players something useful in its place. As it stands, you've turned away assault players but hurt true logi bros in the process. Troll?
SirManBoy Molon Labe. League of Infamy 103	Posted - 2013.07.19 23:18:00 - [25] - Quote "As mentioned above, these skill changes are largely to discourage assault-focused players from using the Logistics suit as their frontline choice. The new Logistics skill bonus isnGÇÖt ideally suited to the Logistics role and is a short-term alteration until proper equipment bonuses come online. Once they do weGÇÖll outline the full skill changes in another blog." So does this mean that they'll be removing the shield regulator bonus once they decide on completely different logi bonuses, or will these future logi bonuses be in addition to existing bonuses like the regulator bonus coming to Caldari logis in update 1.3?
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK 27	Posted - 2013.07.19 23:40:00 - [26] - Quote I run proto cal assault, with suit electronics V, light weapons op V, side arm opIV suit core upgrades IV, grenadier III; modules are all complex, can fit a duvall, but even throwing on a level 1 smg, grenade and neeedle I need a basic cpu upgrade. I'm sorry callogis buds, I wanna feel for ya cause ya know, same race and all. But I can't. I really just can't. Cpu-ups just seem like a needed module now since uprising.


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