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Drevenger
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.19 02:31:00 -
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What happened last time they nerfed TAR?
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Player base droped from a little less than 9k to under 6k, almost happened overnite. Sure the stability of the server was terribad and didn't help but what do you think will happen when the nerf to calogi take place, arguably the most common proto suit around, CCP will have no choice but to offer a way to keep the Dust playerbase willing to play because at this rhythm, its the Eve playerbase that will start to complain about their subscriptions fees going into a dead game.
Its this ^ or CCP just want all beta vets to quit just like the most of imperfects did. Thanks for playing the beta but you gotta go, you're too good jeez. A way to level by the bottom. QQ in forum until its nerf while theres no matchtmaking, play 6 months to a year just to get their plan ruined by new players that can't compete at the same level. Protostomp will be even more brutal, Dual Gaylock and fused nades everywhere.
Last time they nerfed the TAR, people realised all the flaws this game had. That won't change, ppl will quit, while those happy with the nerf will live another day in this game untill its their turn.
Sorry CCP, it might be fun from your side to play with numbers in a way to compensate from the lack of matchmaking but you gonna learn the hard way.
The Mag way.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1204
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Posted - 2013.07.19 02:35:00 -
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I believe that you are correct.
If all you whiners ***** enough, you will get what you want, and the game will suffer for it. |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
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Posted - 2013.07.19 02:40:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.19 02:42:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:I believe that you are correct.
If all you whiners ***** enough, you will get what you want, and the game will suffer for it.
Let's hope it doesn't come to that.
Honestly, it's not like they'd have wasted the SP anyway. With how much SP they've probably made with those things, they could easily just start speccing into Assault, and maybe actually use the Logi suits for what they're supposed to be used for.
In addition, just do another Triple SP Weekend for the release of 1.3. Anyone that was abusing CalLogi can just slap on a booster and roll in a shitload of SP toward a new specialization. |
Nebra Tene
Roaming Blades
128
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Posted - 2013.07.19 02:57:00 -
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Then those players will just move to the next cheap fit, then THAT fit will be balanced and they'll ask for a respec again, and they'll move to the new cheap fit, and so on and so on.
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Actually, you know what, yes, give the respecs, that way re-balancing stuff should be a lot faster and easier, whatevver it is all those players flock to is what needs re-balancing.
(Which does not automatically mean Nerf of course.) |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:00:00 -
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Nebra Tene wrote:Then those players will just move to the next cheap fit, then THAT fit will be balanced and they'll ask for a respec again, and they'll move to the new cheap fit, and so on and so on.
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Actually, you know what, yes, give the respecs, that way re-balancing stuff should be a lot faster and easier, whatevver it is all those players flock to is what needs re-balancing.
(Which does not automatically mean Nerf of course.)
It kinda does, because the diversity of the game is killed if everyone flocks to the same thing, and stays there. |
Pikachu Power
XERCORE
E X T E R M I N A T U S
38
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:11:00 -
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Where's General Grodd when you need him? He started the last respec petition and we got it. We need 600 sigantures and they HAVE to. That's a pretty decent number of players. I doubt there are even that many on the forums. I'd easily number the amount of hardcore vets we have around 2500 or less. Probably less. I mean, count the old, established corps with hardcore players, and it's a small number. Pretty much everyone who plays PC accounts for the base players who have stuck around for awhile. Pleasing them is more important than pleasing players who are just trying the game out and will leave for Destiny when it comes out |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1207
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:21:00 -
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Pikachu Power wrote:Where's General Grodd when you need him? He started the last respec petition and we got it. We need 600 sigantures and they HAVE to. That's a pretty decent number of players. I doubt there are even that many on the forums. I'd easily number the amount of hardcore vets we have around 2500 or less. Probably less. I mean, count the old, established corps with hardcore players, and it's a small number. Pretty much everyone who plays PC accounts for the base players who have stuck around for awhile. Pleasing them is more important than pleasing players who are just trying the game out and will leave for Destiny when it comes out
No offense, but the idea that it is better to please vets (those players already invested and most likely to stick to the game) over new players is perhaps one of the dumbest suggestions I've heard. Dust needs new players. |
Severance Pay
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
759
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:25:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:I believe that you are correct.
If all you whiners ***** enough, you will get what you want, and the game will suffer for it.
Explain how the game will suffer from respecs? |
Drevenger
DUST University
Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:26:00 -
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Nebra Tene wrote:Then those players will just move to the next cheap fit, then THAT fit will be balanced and they'll ask for a respec again, and they'll move to the new cheap fit, and so on and so on.
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Actually, you know what, yes, give the respecs, that way re-balancing stuff should be a lot faster and easier, whatevver it is all those players flock to is what needs re-balancing.
(Which does not automatically mean Nerf of course.)
I think CCP will have no choice but to offer frequent respec.
That or they find a way to buff instead of nerf because psychologically, giving 10 cpu to every other classes is more appealing than removing 10 cpu (e.g) to the "most" popular suit. I don't know, buff scout or something, early sidearm for Amarr is a good thing and many knew it was an obvious tweak amarr logi needed way before uprising got deployed.
I was quite convinced CCP would balance things out by adding new powerful suit or role like Commando.
Oh god I was wrong lol. |
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Queen of Uranus
Dust 514 Forum Trolls
158
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:28:00 -
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Man up ladyboys. |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University
Ivy League
66
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:31:00 -
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Drevenger wrote:Nebra Tene wrote:Then those players will just move to the next cheap fit, then THAT fit will be balanced and they'll ask for a respec again, and they'll move to the new cheap fit, and so on and so on.
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Actually, you know what, yes, give the respecs, that way re-balancing stuff should be a lot faster and easier, whatevver it is all those players flock to is what needs re-balancing.
(Which does not automatically mean Nerf of course.) I think CCP will have no choice but to offer frequent respec. That or they find a way to buff instead of nerf because psychologically, giving 10 cpu to every other classes is more appealing than removing 10 cpu (e.g) to the "most" popular suit. I don't know, buff scout or something, early sidearm for Amarr is a good thing and many knew it was an obvious tweak amarr logi needed way before uprising got deployed. I was quite convinced CCP would balance things out by adding new powerful suit or role like Commando. Oh god I was wrong lol.
It's not happening so far. And really, do you think the drop in players was due to the TAC AR nerf? I'd say it was due to core mechanics and performance issues. Respecs won't fix that and won't bring a lasting increase in activity. |
Kara Macmillian
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:32:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote:Buster Friently wrote:I believe that you are correct.
If all you whiners ***** enough, you will get what you want, and the game will suffer for it. Explain how the game will suffer from respecs?
Because then there will only be the flavor of the month. Everyone plays the same ****** setup, everyone cries, respec, repeat. There is no longer any weight to your training choices, just wait for the next respec. This also means that once you get to a certain amount of SP there is no reason to earn any more. just wait until the next respec to try out something else. This also hurts CCP as there would be no reason to buy any boosters, since you can just wait for the next respec.
I believe there should be one final respec, when the have filled out all the racial vehicle, dropsuits and weapons. Not before. |
Drevenger
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:40:00 -
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Promethius Franklin wrote:Drevenger wrote:Nebra Tene wrote:Then those players will just move to the next cheap fit, then THAT fit will be balanced and they'll ask for a respec again, and they'll move to the new cheap fit, and so on and so on.
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Actually, you know what, yes, give the respecs, that way re-balancing stuff should be a lot faster and easier, whatevver it is all those players flock to is what needs re-balancing.
(Which does not automatically mean Nerf of course.) I think CCP will have no choice but to offer frequent respec. That or they find a way to buff instead of nerf because psychologically, giving 10 cpu to every other classes is more appealing than removing 10 cpu (e.g) to the "most" popular suit. I don't know, buff scout or something, early sidearm for Amarr is a good thing and many knew it was an obvious tweak amarr logi needed way before uprising got deployed. I was quite convinced CCP would balance things out by adding new powerful suit or role like Commando. Oh god I was wrong lol. It's not happening so far. And really, do you think the drop in players was due to the TAC AR nerf? I'd say it was due to core mechanics and performance issues. Respecs won't fix that and won't bring a lasting increase in activity.
Its hard to say if the TAR is the main reason but it sure seems odd. The timing is there tho. The QQ on the mechanics started right after the TAR nerf, it was a logical continuation. Anyways, its not like CCP is in a position to not listen and aggravate the situation.
ETA, i remember now that after the TAR nerf, vets got burned out. |
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