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Boomer Dues Mortis
D3ath D3alers
160
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:09:00 -
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First off I would like to state I hate murder taxi's, as a heavy they are around half my deaths it seems. However removing them imo was the wrong choice for the reason they were very useful for us slow fat guys to move around. You could of just reverted the free Lav's health back to what it used to be. But instead you left in the blood sagas that people can call in an unlimited number of, and guess what they are acquired by real life money. So the only free lav's you have to pay real money for, you see the issue here right ccp. This is my opinion on the situation and I just think you guys went about it in the wrong way. |
Zekain Kade
TeamPlayers EoN.
1248
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:22:00 -
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Just buy a few hundred of them, they're cheaper then a 1$ hooker
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Casius Hakoke
Fenrir's Wolves RUST415
139
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:25:00 -
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Zekain Kade wrote:Just buy a few hundred of them, they're cheaper then a 1$ hooker
Now that's cheap! |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
757
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:25:00 -
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Personally I would have liked to see a ehp decrease as well, but having to buy militia lavs isn't too costly anyway.
Now personally i'm a scout so this doesn't effect me as much as yourself.
Having blueprints that can be bought by isk seems like the next step here to me, but most likely won't happen until dust has a stable income.
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Sgt Buttscratch
Z.G.R.B
521
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:30:00 -
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The just need warmart blue cripple carts as a standard fee heavy item |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
2694
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:32:00 -
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Actually removing free lavs is a very good thing, it'll make speccing lavs more worthwhile, for those who can't even be bothered to do that militia lavs are incredible cheap (see post 2 ), and if even that is too costly for you, well you can hitch a rise in another LAV or a dropship or you can walk. The existence of free lavs devalued the worth of regular and other lavs as transport vehicles, as for the BPO's well, as long as the stats remain the same as the regular LAV there's no real issue there, CCP have to make money somehow. |
pierce Hawkeye
843 Boot Camp
33
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:34:00 -
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ya i notice but i'm still in the good because when i bought my ps3 it came with a dust code that gave me a bp lav |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
616
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:34:00 -
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As stated, by a few of the cheap militia versions and recall them once you get to where you're trying to go. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1329
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:36:00 -
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Never mind that LLAVs are still the same and the ones that are an actual problem You ever use up all your AV nades on one, empty all your swarm launcher missiles into it, and not even take down its shields? |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
353
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:39:00 -
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Militias are cheap enough. I'm not going to say the freebies gotta go, but they're entirely unnecessary. |
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
616
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:39:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Never mind that LLAVs are still the same and the ones that are an actual problem That's why you read the full response and see they aknowledge this and are addressing it in Uprising 1.4. |
Sotapopthegrey gay
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:39:00 -
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make the game unplayable for heavies, the Grind is to much as it is. it's not the LAV, it's the map design.
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RydogV
Shadow Company HQ
205
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:40:00 -
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Well if you are too frugal to pay for an LAV to cart your "speed challenged" fitting around...which by the way was a choice people made knowing the limitations of the suit...then consider purchasing a handful of Militia Scout suits to use for the initial rush. Then get yourself to a supply depot and switch out quick because chances are the tanker on your team is looking to blow that up fast.
Better yet, people could actually start using Team Chat and coordinate things before the match starts...but that I realize is a pipe dream. |
Shouper of BHD
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
233
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:40:00 -
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I think they were going to remove LAVs for those jet bikes so LAVs were buffed so they could be used in gorilla warfare since the jet bikes would because personal transport. |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers EoN.
175
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:42:00 -
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Boomer Dues Mortis wrote:However removing them imo was the wrong choice for the reason they were very useful for us slow fat guys to move around. Heavies shouldn't be allowed to drive LAVs anyway. |
Sotapopthegrey gay
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:42:00 -
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RydogV wrote:Well if you are too frugal to pay for an LAV to cart your "speed challenged" fitting around...which by the way was a choice people made knowing the limitations of the suit...then consider purchasing a handful of Militia Scout suits to use for the initial rush. Then get yourself to a supply depot and switch out quick because chances are the tanker on your team is looking to blow that up fast.
Better yet, people could actually start using Team Chat and coordinate things before the match starts...but that I realize is a pipe dream.
Better yet ,Why don't make a game that doesn't flow... Flow even less. |
Sgt Buttscratch
Z.G.R.B
522
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:42:00 -
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They should have just made it so they took the damage of the amount of ehp they just hit |
Sotapopthegrey gay
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:44:00 -
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Nemo Bluntz wrote:Boomer Dues Mortis wrote:However removing them imo was the wrong choice for the reason they were very useful for us slow fat guys to move around. Heavies shouldn't be allowed to drive LAVs anyway.
Why?
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Shouper of BHD
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
233
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:45:00 -
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Nemo Bluntz wrote:Boomer Dues Mortis wrote:However removing them imo was the wrong choice for the reason they were very useful for us slow fat guys to move around. Heavies shouldn't be allowed to drive LAVs anyway.
heavy jumps into car and can`t move, paper clip pops up, sorry sir, your to fat |
RydogV
Shadow Company HQ
205
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:46:00 -
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Sotapopthegrey gay wrote:
Better yet ,Why don't make a game that doesn't flow... Flow even less.
So by flow you mean what...three Heavies in a free LAV rushing an objective bailing out and spraying everything that is moving. LOL. As the slow Logi who rushes the objective in a Scout suit I offer no sympathy in the flow department. Sorry. |
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Sotapopthegrey gay
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:46:00 -
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Bring back free HAV and drop ships. |
Sotapopthegrey gay
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:49:00 -
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RydogV wrote:Sotapopthegrey gay wrote:
Better yet ,Why don't make a game that doesn't flow... Flow even less.
So by flow you mean what...three Heavies in a free LAV rushing an objective bailing out and spraying everything that is moving. LOL. As the slow Logi who rushes the objective in a Scout suit I offer no sympathy in the flow department. Sorry.
That's just tactics, the game is a game of winning. |
Shouper of BHD
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
234
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:49:00 -
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Sotapopthegrey gay wrote:Bring back free HAV and drop ships.
I highly advice you activate your shield generator.
so many issues came from that. (I would add on from that but I G2G soon). |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
618
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:51:00 -
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Sotapopthegrey gay wrote:RydogV wrote:Sotapopthegrey gay wrote:
Better yet ,Why don't make a game that doesn't flow... Flow even less.
So by flow you mean what...three Heavies in a free LAV rushing an objective bailing out and spraying everything that is moving. LOL. As the slow Logi who rushes the objective in a Scout suit I offer no sympathy in the flow department. Sorry. That's just tactics, the game is a game of winning. Then perform your tactic at the cost of some isk for the LAV.
The game is also about weighing your possibilities versus ISK. |
RydogV
Shadow Company HQ
207
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:51:00 -
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Sotapopthegrey gay wrote:
That's just tactics, the game is a game of winning.
And the cost of winning should have risk attached to it. Where is the financial risk in a free vehicle? |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
618
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:53:00 -
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Shouper of BHD wrote:Sotapopthegrey gay wrote:Bring back free HAV and drop ships. I highly advice you activate your shield generator. so many issues came from that. (I would add on from that but I G2G soon). Pretty sure he was using sarcasm to make a point in favor of the removal of the free LAV. |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
270
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:54:00 -
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The removal of free-LAV's is one of the best updates to come to Dust yet. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
595
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:04:00 -
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the AUR version bpos of things is quite common, this is their main revenue but the bpo's are only made for exceptionally cheap equipment, Ideally it wouldn't be for murder taxi, but they can't take the bpo's away so we need to live with them =/ |
Keyser Soze VerbalKint
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
491
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:09:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:The removal of free-LAV's is one of the best updates to come to Dust yet.
You are an idiot, the free LAVs were never an issue, if you associated vehicle issues to free LAVs then you are scrub who doesn't get it.
The real issue with LAVs have always been with the Logi LAVs, oh and you can get them for under 400K (1 week) and given their near invicibility the fact that it cost ISK is irrelevant if there is no real risk you will ever lose it in a match. |
Boomer Dues Mortis
D3ath D3alers
161
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:11:00 -
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I guess I will just buy a bunch of militia Lav's, I am frugal on this game. I run a 15.7k suit load out and I have over 300m |
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J-Lewis
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
214
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:12:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:the AUR version bpos of things is quite common, this is their main revenue but the bpo's are only made for exceptionally cheap equipment, Ideally it wouldn't be for murder taxi, but they can't take the bpo's away so we need to live with them =/
Actually, they could just make them charge a "manufacturing fee" directly from the user's wallet. In ISK of course.
The difference then is that you buy non BPO stuff up front, while BPOs get a unique paint job and pay-as-you-go.
e: You wouldn't be able to use the BPO if your wallet can't pay the fee. |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
20
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:12:00 -
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oh noes , now we have to pay for them
can anyone spare some ISK? |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
271
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:13:00 -
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:The removal of free-LAV's is one of the best updates to come to Dust yet. You are an idiot, the free LAVs were never an issue, if you associated vehicle issues to free LAVs then you are scrub who doesn't get it. The real issue with LAVs have always been with the Logi LAVs, oh and you can get them for under 400K (1 week) and given their near invicibility the fact that it cost ISK is irrelevant if there is no real risk you will ever lose it in a match. I associate free LAV's with RDV's coming out of no-where, causing my 1.2 mil assault dropship to instantly explode, just because a noob called in his free LAV because they didn't want to walk 20 meters. Suck it up and accept you have to pay a small fee now instead of getting your **** handed to you on a silver platter. |
BuTtHuRtPEepZ
Raging Pack of Homosapiens
52
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:24:00 -
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Remove Free LAVs OR allow militia LAVs to be destroyed by 1 AV grenade/1 swarm launcher/1 forge gun. Giving players reason to spec into cars if they really want it. |
Boomer Dues Mortis
D3ath D3alers
161
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:26:00 -
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BuTtHuRtPEepZ wrote:Remove Free LAVs OR allow militia LAVs to be destroyed by 1 AV grenade/1 swarm launcher/1 forge gun. Giving players reason to spec into cars if they really want it.
I would prefer option number 2 |
Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
555
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:27:00 -
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Boomer Dues Mortis wrote:First off I would like to state I hate murder taxi's, as a heavy they are around half my deaths it seems. However removing them imo was the wrong choice for the reason they were very useful for us slow fat guys to move around. You could of just reverted the free Lav's health back to what it used to be. But instead you left in the blood sagas that people can call in an unlimited number of, and guess what they are acquired by real life money. So the only free lav's you have to pay real money for, you see the issue here right ccp. This is my opinion on the situation and I just think you guys went about it in the wrong way. Disagree
The trade off of higher health and the ability to use heavy weapons is slow mobility. free LAVs negative your weakness in mobility. Therefore, I am happy with CCP's decision and do not agree with you.
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Logi Stician
The Vanguardians
42
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:31:00 -
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Boomer Dues Mortis wrote:First off I would like to state I hate murder taxi's, as a heavy they are around half my deaths it seems. However removing them imo was the wrong choice for the reason they were very useful for us slow fat guys to move around. You could of just reverted the free Lav's health back to what it used to be. But instead you left in the blood sagas that people can call in an unlimited number of, and guess what they are acquired by real life money. So the only free lav's you have to pay real money for, you see the issue here right ccp. This is my opinion on the situation and I just think you guys went about it in the wrong way.
Easy fix: Heavy suits will now come equiped with Rascal scooter BPOs as part of the suit itself. 15 shields, 100 armor, gives you a movement speed of let's say 5. |
Keyser Soze VerbalKint
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
491
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:32:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:The removal of free-LAV's is one of the best updates to come to Dust yet. You are an idiot, the free LAVs were never an issue, if you associated vehicle issues to free LAVs then you are scrub who doesn't get it. The real issue with LAVs have always been with the Logi LAVs, oh and you can get them for under 400K (1 week) and given their near invicibility the fact that it cost ISK is irrelevant if there is no real risk you will ever lose it in a match. I associate free LAV's with RDV's coming out of no-where, causing my 1.2 mil assault dropship to instantly explode, just because a noob called in his free LAV because they didn't want to walk 20 meters. Suck it up and accept you have to pay a small fee now instead of getting your **** handed to you on a silver platter.
Learn to read, your Dropship getting blow out of the sky has nothing to do with why Free LAVs were removed, it may be a happy benefit but it still doesnt do crap to address the real issue of murder taxis. Even changing the impact damage wont change the issue.
The issue is Logi LAVs are near invicible, they can tank multiple proto AV and have the speed to escape if they find themselves in any sort of trouble. Perhaps you can get your head out of your ass.
Beside which dumbass why would i use a starter LAV when i have 2 BPOs to choose from, i think ill call those down constantly if i see you in a dropship just to troll you. Then ill call in my Logi LAV and troll everyone else, seeing as it will be months before CCP ever gets around to doing anything substitive to fix it. |
BARDAS
DUST University Ivy League
183
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:34:00 -
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What else would I do when getting redlined and protostomped besides getting in a militia heavy suit and running you protostompers over? At the very least I could exact my revenge by making you go negative ISK for the match |
Levithunder
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
11
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:41:00 -
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My life Is over;( they just nerfed heavys again.... Like I use the milita lavs as like a sort of get away car if I was defending an objective would call one in and if overwhelmed would retreat and try again , I understand the whole lav murder thing but I mean logi lavs can still do that and I agree with the whole blood raider thing too Ccp I swear to god u love nerfing everything without a secounds thought. |
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