The Caldari are a bunch of losers, they had it and failed. We decided to actually fight and they folded, rolled over and are waiting to be kicked in the ditch. I just like stirring to pot more than anything. I kind of like that they had their back broke, maybe now they will remember what winners look like. Drop me a line if they ever get it in gear and actually start winning and hold territory.

The Caldari are a bunch of losers, they had it and failed. We decided to actually fight and they folded, rolled over and are waiting to be kicked in the ditch. I just like stirring to pot more than anything. I kind of like that they had their back broke, maybe now they will remember what winners look like. Drop me a line if they ever get it in gear and actually start winning and hold territory.

((..... Just like the Caldari pushed the Gallenteans out when they were owning the lowsec battlezones. Basically FW is cyclic in nature.

An example would be Amarr vs Minmtar. An Alliance called "I whip my Slaves back and forth" damaged the Matari warmachine so badly that it folded, and the Amarr basically quashed any and all resistance.

When the alliance left FW the Matari pushed the Amarr all the way back to the ends of their space.

Now the Amarr are pushing back.))

Just like the Gallenteans had their backs broken all over Lowsec?

Are you talking about that medal they gave everyone for winning the war?

We will see who is blowing the horn of victory in short order.

We will see who is blowing the horn of victory in short order. The Caldari are spineless and short sighted, that will be their downfall. The Galante will push back and take back all the systems lost and then will continue to take space until we are bored with watching your militia run. I understand it's hard to accept being on the losing side but it will be OK, we don't rule with an iron fist.

Here is something that is always true. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The reason for that is they keep doing the same thing. The are poor because they don't have ambition and drive. Caldari lose because the run and hide. It's a predictable cycle that only the involved can break. Get used to it or get to changing it.

You didn't answer my argument, you just babble something about Caldari not being ambitious.

Here is something that is always true. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The reason for that is they keep doing the same thing. The are poor because they don't have ambition and drive. Caldari lose because the run and hide. It's a predictable cycle that only the involved can break. Get used to it or get to changing it.

Speaks the man who blindly shows patriotism to a government that spies on its own people, has the cluster's largest chunk of poor people and was part-in-fault on the situation where Caldari Prime is at right now.

I do not blindly follow anything. I never said we were perfect I implied that we are better. I could talk about freedom vs security but why try when you won't even understand the concept of freedom. As for the poor, get a better job or learn a new skill. I am not here to hand out gifts, I will help anyone who will do what it takes to get out of poverty. Caldari Prime was a show of the Caldari's oppressive way of life and the inability to control their own military. Caldari Prime, please. Have fun to with that crash site because that is the closest thing to freedom you're peoples will have.

I support personal responsibility on all things. I do well because I work hard, they are poor because they make poor decisions. There are plenty of ways to make ISK and most are almost handed to a pilot or merc if they just try.

Worthy to lead? Are they ordained by some all powerful omniscient god? Your government is just as corrupt as mine. We at least get to be free and enjoy a life that is not determined at birth. Born into harsh conditions? That is sad, so sad. I will cry an empty Quafe can full of tears for you when I start caring. Just like a fascist to bring up up bringing to justify tyranny.

Yeah because having the government ran for power and money is better than a system that promotes individuals to better themselves and strive to be more. Either way you spin it, the Caldari mega corporations run the government or the government owns the corp, you get the same results. People with power holding the powerless under their thumb, oppressing opposition and out of touch with normal society is the name of the game and it's the one game you're people is good at.

Yeah because having the government ran for power and money is better than a system that promotes individuals to better themselves and strive to be more. Either way you spin it, the Caldari mega corporations run the government or the government owns the corp, you get the same results. People with power holding the powerless under their thumb, oppressing opposition and out of touch with normal society is the name of the game and it's the one game you're people is good at.

Yeah because having the government ran for power and money is better than a system that promotes individuals to better themselves and strive to be more. Either way you spin it, the Caldari mega corporations run the government or the government owns the corp, you get the same results. People with power holding the powerless under their thumb, oppressing opposition and out of touch with normal society is the name of the game and it's the one game you're people is good at.

I never said that the popular opinion is the best or even correct course of action. I do believe that the problems of the federation can be better solved with public discussion and votes. We are not the leaders of education, invention, tolerance and freedom because of mob rule, we are leaders because we allow anyone with a voice to speak and weigh it accordingly.

Proud heritage? Are you referring to the brainwashing your society endures at the expense of the less fortunate? The people at the top have the power and tell the people holding them up that they are doing a good job. The people at the bottom are walked over and used to create more power and money for the top 2%. It is sickening. I do things for the federation out of patriotism not because of indoctrination and suppression. Our strength comes from our freedoms and individuality not from our enslavement to a system that holds people hostage on a planet under constant threat of destruction from a mad man.

And just who is this madman you refer to? The ousted Heth who no longer holds power?
I believe you should take some time in your quarters and actually research the State and the definition of a meritocracy.
Really to think that our citizens paths through life are set in stone at birth shows a critical misunderstanding of the caste system and this is not even touching the contradictions and hypocrisy in your ranting.

I don't think they are set in stone, I think that they are brainwashed into thinking that the good of the state is more important than personal liberty. Nothing trumps freedom. I would rather live in a van down by the river than be denied my freedom for one second. I have no doubt that the government you love thinks what they are doing is good for their people, I also have no doubt that they are doing it wrong.

Freedom is a way of life not a way of thinking.

An artificial distinction-- it is difficult to have the first without the second.

Interestingly, the Caldari, also, often go on about "freedom." They just mean it in a more historically traditional manner: freedom of our peoples from foreign intervention.

Yours, specifically.

Freedom is a way of life not a way of thinking.

All of this squabbling is meaningless. Do you want to be known as a blind soldier, a martyr for an empire who cares nothing for you, or would you rather make a name for yourself (as well as money)? I know what I want. Do I have loyalties? Yes, to my allies in We Who Walk Alone and M.T.A.C. Other than that, I care only for the money that I get.

I would gladly martyr myself in the name of the Amarr.

Then I feel sorry for you, my friend. If you ever see the light (pun intended), please tell me. I would gladly teach you the true path of the mercenary.

I am not a mercenary friend. I am a Templar Crusader for the Praetoriate.

I go where the Empress commands and kill where God wills it done. My reward is far greater than mere money.

I am the chosen of God, empowered by the Empress the bring the Faith the furthest stars of New Eden.

"Chosen, you are first before God.
You are the True and the Faithful.
But in such a state must you hold yourselves high above all.
And constantly prove yourself worthy of Gods Love.
How can such a gift be repaid,
Other than to toil all our days,
In his glorious service,
According to his will,
Serving him always,
Bearing him first in our thoughts,
Always must we strive to show him our worth,
For we are the Chosen, Blessed above all."
- The Scriptures, Anoyia's Exhortation to the Faithful

First off, I never said you were a merc, just that if you chose this life, I'd be happy to show you the ropes. Secondly, your religious dogma and your Empress (who broke your own sacred laws, if rumors are true) do not impress me. Pay me enough, and I will fight for you. If your enemies pay me more next battle, I will fight for them. The only allegiance I have, as I said before, is to my corporation and it's allies.

Again, your religious dogma does not impress, nor does your "Empire", squabbling children that they are. You are the most wealthy, I will give you that, but what did that wealth get you in your war with the Jove?

and whose race would be utterly destroyed by the Jove in a single night? Not the Amarr assuredly. We actually have developed ourselves since the stone age....

Why tout our loss to the Jove? We are the only empire capable of taking such a loss and recovering from it. Our tenacity and fervour in working in God's name is great.

If you want to tout victiories and losses how about I pose to you how it felt being a puppet government of the Federation conned into opposing the true sons and daughters of God for their own selfish reasons?

As for the squabbling children you should know that Amarrian space is perhaps the safest and most stable you will find anywhere in New Eden

I guess, my entire argument is that the Caldari had the chance to wipe our militia out and take our space but they folded and now are not looking so hot. The reason for this comes from the brainwashing they receive, it is hard for me to explain. Freedoms stimulate creativity and passion for discovery and we think differently. The closest word I have for it is arrogance. It's why winners win and losers fall back and then repeat only to lose. Goes back to my whole "the rich get richer" thing and the reason it hurts is because it's true. Listen, I've been up mining and popping rats for about 20 hours so I am going to get some rest. Feel free to let me know how you think I am wrong or whatever someone else tells you to think or say. I'm easy like my sister so just talk away and when I'm done winning I'll get back to you.

and whose race would be utterly destroyed by the Jove in a single night? Not the Amarr assuredly. We actually have developed ourselves since the stone age....

Why tout our loss to the Jove? We are the only empire capable of taking such a loss and recovering from it. Our tenacity and fervour in working in God's name is great.

If you want to tout victiories and losses how about I pose to you how it felt being a puppet government of the Federation conned into opposing the true sons and daughters of God for their own selfish reasons?

As for the squabbling children you should know that Amarrian space is perhaps the safest and most stable you will find anywhere in New Eden

Just letting you know it's wrong, not trying to win you over. I stood with the Caldari but they did me wrong and I have no need for them now.

The Intaki supported the Caldari, fought for them and with them and we were treated like second class citizens. I am personally and politically disappointed with the State. The people allow these things to happen so I have no love for any of them any more.

"Federation forces in the Intaki system fell to the State Protectorate, ceding occupancy to the Caldari state. Unrest and violence broke out in places on the Intaki homeworld, divided between pro-Federation, pro-State and Intaki secessionist factions."

"As with all other Caldari-occupied systems, Intaki was barred from voting in the Gallente presidential elections."

These are just two reasons, there are plenty more.

The Caldari government and the people who support them destroy innocent lives. They are murders and oppressors, they didn't need those territories and they didn't need to do it with force. We were happy living with our Caldari country men and we were peacefully going about our business we were stabbed in the back and forced to flee or fight. I will not be treated like that and they can go to hell!

The Caldari government and the people who support them destroy innocent lives. They are murders and oppressors, they didn't need those territories and they didn't need to do it with force. We were happy living with our Caldari country men and we were peacefully going about our business we were stabbed in the back and forced to flee or fight. I will not be treated like that and they can go to hell!

"We will not permit you to tell us how to be Caldari , and so you leave us with no choice."
GÇöExcerpt from the Caldari Proclamation of Secession. CE 23154.11.22

This is a sentiment I share.

Why is it that the Gallenteans blindly follow their own code and defend their moral positions with such adamance but immediately condemn those of other?

They seem to believe their way is the only way...