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The Robot Devil
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Posted - 2013.07.18 10:48:00 -
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More caldari ineptitude. Go figure. http://themittani.com/news/faction-warfare-black-rise-and-placid-aflame?page=0%2C0 |
Denak Kalamari
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Posted - 2013.07.18 10:57:00 -
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How does this show that Caldari are inept? The Empyrean War is as pointless as telling the wind to stop blowing, it never ends and control over the planets constantly switches hands in accordance to the possible profits the capsuleers can make out of this. |
Kador Ouryon
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Posted - 2013.07.18 11:49:00 -
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I fail to see how this impacts the State negatively.
The Empyreans who fought for us were essentially totally victorious in the field where and when they chose to fight, they decimated any Gallentean fleets that stood before them, and made NAP's with a strong ally to push back the Federations Militia's to a mere 10 system hold on Low Sec space.
It seems to me that a last ditch attempt by a number of corporations and factions was the only thing that ended our stranglehold on the region. It would seem the Caldari Militias ran out of steam by the end of the campaign and made of with a great deal of sway with the State ((LP)).
If anything this is a testament to Caldari determination and initiative, and our will to push you Gallenteans right back to your home systems.
If nothing it fills me with resolve to know that our allies and loyalists were doing so well |
The Robot Devil
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:00:00 -
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The Caldari are a bunch of losers, they had it and failed. We decided to actually fight and they folded, rolled over and are waiting to be kicked in the ditch. I just like stirring to pot more than anything. I kind of like that they had their back broke, maybe now they will remember what winners look like. Drop me a line if they ever get it in gear and actually start winning and hold territory. |
Kador Ouryon
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:04:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:The Caldari are a bunch of losers, they had it and failed. We decided to actually fight and they folded, rolled over and are waiting to be kicked in the ditch. I just like stirring to pot more than anything. I kind of like that they had their back broke, maybe now they will remember what winners look like. Drop me a line if they ever get it in gear and actually start winning and hold territory.
((..... Just like the Caldari pushed the Gallenteans out when they were owning the lowsec battlezones. Basically FW is cyclic in nature.
An example would be Amarr vs Minmtar. An Alliance called "I whip my Slaves back and forth" damaged the Matari warmachine so badly that it folded, and the Amarr basically quashed any and all resistance.
When the alliance left FW the Matari pushed the Amarr all the way back to the ends of their space.
Now the Amarr are pushing back.))
Just like the Gallenteans had their backs broken all over Lowsec? |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:14:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:The Caldari are a bunch of losers, they had it and failed. We decided to actually fight and they folded, rolled over and are waiting to be kicked in the ditch. I just like stirring to pot more than anything. I kind of like that they had their back broke, maybe now they will remember what winners look like. Drop me a line if they ever get it in gear and actually start winning and hold territory. Sigh.
You're so filled with senseless pride and talking so much nonsense I'm not going to even bother knocking some sense into you. Vhyrkhadal pancaa vundahatyl. |
The Robot Devil
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Posted - 2013.07.18 12:57:00 -
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Kador Ouryon wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:The Caldari are a bunch of losers, they had it and failed. We decided to actually fight and they folded, rolled over and are waiting to be kicked in the ditch. I just like stirring to pot more than anything. I kind of like that they had their back broke, maybe now they will remember what winners look like. Drop me a line if they ever get it in gear and actually start winning and hold territory. ((..... Just like the Caldari pushed the Gallenteans out when they were owning the lowsec battlezones. Basically FW is cyclic in nature. An example would be Amarr vs Minmtar. An Alliance called "I whip my Slaves back and forth" damaged the Matari warmachine so badly that it folded, and the Amarr basically quashed any and all resistance. When the alliance left FW the Matari pushed the Amarr all the way back to the ends of their space. Now the Amarr are pushing back.)) Just like the Gallenteans had their backs broken all over Lowsec?
Are you talking about that medal they gave everyone for winning the war? |
Yun Hee Ryeon
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:07:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Are you talking about that medal they gave everyone for winning the war?
You mean about the same time that Heth-hnolku was prematurely auctioning off development rights on a bunch of captured federal worlds?
Yes, I believe he's talking about that. That whole series of events should stand as a warning against foolish, premature triumphalism.
By anyone. |
The Robot Devil
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:22:00 -
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We will see who is blowing the horn of victory in short order. The Caldari are spineless and short sighted, that will be their downfall. The Galante will push back and take back all the systems lost and then will continue to take space until we are bored with watching your militia run. I understand it's hard to accept being on the losing side but it will be OK, we don't rule with an iron fist. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:24:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:We will see who is blowing the horn of victory in short order.
Easy answer, soldier:
No one.
The Empyrean War has no victory condition. |
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Denak Kalamari
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:26:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:We will see who is blowing the horn of victory in short order. The Caldari are spineless and short sighted, that will be their downfall. The Galante will push back and take back all the systems lost and then will continue to take space until we are bored with watching your militia run. I understand it's hard to accept being on the losing side but it will be OK, we don't rule with an iron fist. Speaks the man who blindly shows patriotism to a government that spies on its own people, has the cluster's largest chunk of poor people and was part-in-fault on the situation where Caldari Prime is at right now. |
The Robot Devil
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Posted - 2013.07.18 18:24:00 -
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Here is something that is always true. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The reason for that is they keep doing the same thing. The are poor because they don't have ambition and drive. Caldari lose because the run and hide. It's a predictable cycle that only the involved can break. Get used to it or get to changing it. |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2013.07.18 18:40:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Here is something that is always true. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The reason for that is they keep doing the same thing. The are poor because they don't have ambition and drive. Caldari lose because the run and hide. It's a predictable cycle that only the involved can break. Get used to it or get to changing it. You didn't answer my argument, you just babble something about Caldari not being ambitious. |
Delta 749
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Posted - 2013.07.18 18:42:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Here is something that is always true. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The reason for that is they keep doing the same thing. The are poor because they don't have ambition and drive. Caldari lose because the run and hide. It's a predictable cycle that only the involved can break. Get used to it or get to changing it. You didn't answer my argument, you just babble something about Caldari not being ambitious.
Haha Caldari not having ambition? Thats like saying Amarr dont believe in their god. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
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Posted - 2013.07.18 18:53:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Here is something that is always true. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The reason for that is they keep doing the same thing. The are poor because they don't have ambition and drive. Caldari lose because the run and hide. It's a predictable cycle that only the involved can break. Get used to it or get to changing it.
Soldier, as analogies go, this one is ... just....
Gods and spirits, how can you even form coherent sentences? |
The Robot Devil
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Posted - 2013.07.18 21:45:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:We will see who is blowing the horn of victory in short order. The Caldari are spineless and short sighted, that will be their downfall. The Galante will push back and take back all the systems lost and then will continue to take space until we are bored with watching your militia run. I understand it's hard to accept being on the losing side but it will be OK, we don't rule with an iron fist. Speaks the man who blindly shows patriotism to a government that spies on its own people, has the cluster's largest chunk of poor people and was part-in-fault on the situation where Caldari Prime is at right now.
I do not blindly follow anything. I never said we were perfect I implied that we are better. I could talk about freedom vs security but why try when you won't even understand the concept of freedom. As for the poor, get a better job or learn a new skill. I am not here to hand out gifts, I will help anyone who will do what it takes to get out of poverty. Caldari Prime was a show of the Caldari's oppressive way of life and the inability to control their own military. Caldari Prime, please. Have fun to with that crash site because that is the closest thing to freedom you're peoples will have. |
Kador Ouryon
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Posted - 2013.07.18 23:11:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Denak Kalamari wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:We will see who is blowing the horn of victory in short order. The Caldari are spineless and short sighted, that will be their downfall. The Galante will push back and take back all the systems lost and then will continue to take space until we are bored with watching your militia run. I understand it's hard to accept being on the losing side but it will be OK, we don't rule with an iron fist. Speaks the man who blindly shows patriotism to a government that spies on its own people, has the cluster's largest chunk of poor people and was part-in-fault on the situation where Caldari Prime is at right now. I do not blindly follow anything. I never said we were perfect I implied that we are better. I could talk about freedom vs security but why try when you won't even understand the concept of freedom. As for the poor, get a better job or learn a new skill. I am not here to hand out gifts, I will help anyone who will do what it takes to get out of poverty. Caldari Prime was a show of the Caldari's oppressive way of life and the inability to control their own military. Caldari Prime, please. Have fun to with that crash site because that is the closest thing to freedom you're peoples will have. You speak of equal rights and liberty for all yet support and endorse a cycle that oppresses you people. You like many Gallenteans are a walking contradiction of terms.
As for short sited and spineless I pose this question to you. How has a smaller empire such as the State been able to hold up the supposed might of the Gallenteans for these many centuries if our resolve was not as strong or stronger than the Federations? How did we strike back at our homeplanet, and defeat Federation supported ground forces across the planet?
You also must undertand that the milita's aren't actually officially parts of the State armed forces, they are loyalist contractors that work as proxies for our armed forces because of the agreements between our nations to follow Concord directives and shift the fighting of our wars out to low sec space.
You mention this freedom that you tout before us and claim that we do not have. The people of the State are a hardy bunch, our home planet was a terribly difficult world to live on, it had incredibly harsh conditions before we were able to make it ours, because of that we place our faith in those who have the strength and will to lead. We champion the rights of the collective by empowering those who are worthy to lead us.
As my Archuran ally previously stated.... Spirits friend how can you be so blind and ignorant..... |
The Robot Devil
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Posted - 2013.07.19 00:41:00 -
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I support personal responsibility on all things. I do well because I work hard, they are poor because they make poor decisions. There are plenty of ways to make ISK and most are almost handed to a pilot or merc if they just try.
Worthy to lead? Are they ordained by some all powerful omniscient god? Your government is just as corrupt as mine. We at least get to be free and enjoy a life that is not determined at birth. Born into harsh conditions? That is sad, so sad. I will cry an empty Quafe can full of tears for you when I start caring. Just like a fascist to bring up up bringing to justify tyranny. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
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Posted - 2013.07.19 01:53:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:I support personal responsibility on all things. I do well because I work hard, they are poor because they make poor decisions. There are plenty of ways to make ISK and most are almost handed to a pilot or merc if they just try.
Worthy to lead? Are they ordained by some all powerful omniscient god? Your government is just as corrupt as mine. We at least get to be free and enjoy a life that is not determined at birth. Born into harsh conditions? That is sad, so sad. I will cry an empty Quafe can full of tears for you when I start caring. Just like a fascist to bring up up bringing to justify tyranny.
Um.
Soldier, Caldari citizens are promoted on merit-- "corporate meritocracy," a concept your Federation shares in its private sector.
The main difference between a Federal corporation and a State megacorporation is that the megacorporation is more than a tool for concentrating wealth: it is also a social and political construct. In a very sketchy sort of way, it's what happens when you cross a Federal corporation with an Amarrian feudal domain.
The corporations are not owned by the government of the Caldari State; they are the government of the Caldari State. The result is peculiarly rigid in certain ways, but both more flexible and more durable than you seem to think-- and more sensible than selecting leaders via regularly-scheduled popularity contests. |
The Robot Devil
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Posted - 2013.07.19 02:09:00 -
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Yeah because having the government ran for power and money is better than a system that promotes individuals to better themselves and strive to be more. Either way you spin it, the Caldari mega corporations run the government or the government owns the corp, you get the same results. People with power holding the powerless under their thumb, oppressing opposition and out of touch with normal society is the name of the game and it's the one game you're people is good at. |
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Yun Hee Ryeon
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Posted - 2013.07.19 02:39:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Yeah because having the government ran for power and money is better than a system that promotes individuals to better themselves and strive to be more. Either way you spin it, the Caldari mega corporations run the government or the government owns the corp, you get the same results. People with power holding the powerless under their thumb, oppressing opposition and out of touch with normal society is the name of the game and it's the one game you're people is good at.
Soldier ... gods and spirits. You give me a headache.
Caldari megacorporations do quite well at governing unless and until their leaders start thinking like Gallentean libertarians-- "I have what I have because I deserve it. I earned it all, and owe nothing to anyone else." That's the point at which they historically started abusing their workers-- and that's how we got Heth-hnolku: from the resulting revolt, the "Brothers of Freedom" incident a few years ago.
To be clear, the Templis Dragonaurs, of which Tibus Heth is both a member and a fine (awful) example, represent a dark but permanent underbelly of Caldari society, and its sentiments are not too far estranged from the Caldari vox populi.
Be careful what you wish for. |
Kador Ouryon
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Posted - 2013.07.19 03:31:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Yeah because having the government ran for power and money is better than a system that promotes individuals to better themselves and strive to be more. Either way you spin it, the Caldari mega corporations run the government or the government owns the corp, you get the same results. People with power holding the powerless under their thumb, oppressing opposition and out of touch with normal society is the name of the game and it's the one game you're people is good at. Good gods man you are lost your ranting sound more Caldari in nature that Gallentean.
The Caldari encourage their people to improve themselves and make more of themselves so that they better benefit their people and therefore receive greater rewards from the state.
The Caldari people choose to live this way, they are not forced to, this has been our proud heritage since the days of the States founding. The worthy to lead are not divined by some god as you called it, they are those within the State that are recognised to be providing the most for our people.
It is true that we live under the thumb of the megacorporations but it is those same megacoporations that ensure the States protection, our freedoms, and our way of life in unsullied by your imperialistic aspirations. |
Denak Kalamari
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Posted - 2013.07.19 05:32:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Yeah because having the government ran for power and money is better than a system that promotes individuals to better themselves and strive to be more. Either way you spin it, the Caldari mega corporations run the government or the government owns the corp, you get the same results. People with power holding the powerless under their thumb, oppressing opposition and out of touch with normal society is the name of the game and it's the one game you're people is good at. You shout freedom and equality, but at the same time you are blinded by your pride and downplay all the merits the way Caldari run their government(let's call it corpotocracy in the lack of a better name) and overrate Gallente democracy.
Let me ask you a question. Do you know how to run a government? Do you know how to solve diplomatic crisis situations? Do you know how to set a Federal budget and not get bankrupt? Even if you can do all these, can you say the same about all the billions of people living in the Federation and eligble to vote? Then what gives them the right to decide about things they have no clue about? I'm not talking about what the law says, I'm talking basic logic.
You do not give a child access to a chainsaw, nor an untrained person complete control over a spaceship with deadly weaponry. The way Federation select the senate and their president is the same. They shout the same ideals as you and make grand promises, improve living conditions, solve poverty, remove racism(*cough*), but their words are empty, meaningless, only used to boost their popularity to gain a seat on the senate to boost their own goals.
And even if some of the politicians are sincere and actually want a change, they face a problem which lies in the very ideals democracy is founded on. They're a "minority", their voice doesn't hold much weigh when the senate as a whole doesn't think the same way. You might argue that that's what the people want, but the popular opinion isn't always the best opinion. In the end, all that the senate reflects is who's empty and meaningless promises pleased the populace the most.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the Caldari corpotocracy is perfect, every system has it's merits and flaws. I'm trying to open your eyes to make you see that the Gallente government isn't the best possible way to rule an empire. Pride precedes pain. |
The Robot Devil
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Posted - 2013.07.19 06:27:00 -
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I never said that the popular opinion is the best or even correct course of action. I do believe that the problems of the federation can be better solved with public discussion and votes. We are not the leaders of education, invention, tolerance and freedom because of mob rule, we are leaders because we allow anyone with a voice to speak and weigh it accordingly.
Proud heritage? Are you referring to the brainwashing your society endures at the expense of the less fortunate? The people at the top have the power and tell the people holding them up that they are doing a good job. The people at the bottom are walked over and used to create more power and money for the top 2%. It is sickening. I do things for the federation out of patriotism not because of indoctrination and suppression. Our strength comes from our freedoms and individuality not from our enslavement to a system that holds people hostage on a planet under constant threat of destruction from a mad man. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.07.19 06:45:00 -
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If you knew anything of the State you would know that there is no brainwashing there, nor is there any brainwashing like that of the Federation. |
The Robot Devil
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Posted - 2013.07.19 07:57:00 -
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Freedom is a way of life not a way of thinking. |
Delta 749
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Posted - 2013.07.19 09:03:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:I never said that the popular opinion is the best or even correct course of action. I do believe that the problems of the federation can be better solved with public discussion and votes. We are not the leaders of education, invention, tolerance and freedom because of mob rule, we are leaders because we allow anyone with a voice to speak and weigh it accordingly.
Proud heritage? Are you referring to the brainwashing your society endures at the expense of the less fortunate? The people at the top have the power and tell the people holding them up that they are doing a good job. The people at the bottom are walked over and used to create more power and money for the top 2%. It is sickening. I do things for the federation out of patriotism not because of indoctrination and suppression. Our strength comes from our freedoms and individuality not from our enslavement to a system that holds people hostage on a planet under constant threat of destruction from a mad man.
And just who is this madman you refer to? The ousted Heth who no longer holds power? I believe you should take some time in your quarters and actually research the State and the definition of a meritocracy. Really to think that our citizens paths through life are set in stone at birth shows a critical misunderstanding of the caste system and this is not even touching the contradictions and hypocrisy in your ranting. |
The Robot Devil
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Posted - 2013.07.19 09:27:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:I never said that the popular opinion is the best or even correct course of action. I do believe that the problems of the federation can be better solved with public discussion and votes. We are not the leaders of education, invention, tolerance and freedom because of mob rule, we are leaders because we allow anyone with a voice to speak and weigh it accordingly.
Proud heritage? Are you referring to the brainwashing your society endures at the expense of the less fortunate? The people at the top have the power and tell the people holding them up that they are doing a good job. The people at the bottom are walked over and used to create more power and money for the top 2%. It is sickening. I do things for the federation out of patriotism not because of indoctrination and suppression. Our strength comes from our freedoms and individuality not from our enslavement to a system that holds people hostage on a planet under constant threat of destruction from a mad man. And just who is this madman you refer to? The ousted Heth who no longer holds power? I believe you should take some time in your quarters and actually research the State and the definition of a meritocracy. Really to think that our citizens paths through life are set in stone at birth shows a critical misunderstanding of the caste system and this is not even touching the contradictions and hypocrisy in your ranting.
I don't think they are set in stone, I think that they are brainwashed into thinking that the good of the state is more important than personal liberty. Nothing trumps freedom. I would rather live in a van down by the river than be denied my freedom for one second. I have no doubt that the government you love thinks what they are doing is good for their people, I also have no doubt that they are doing it wrong. |
The Robot Devil
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Posted - 2013.07.19 09:29:00 -
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Heth was and still is a mad man. Holding a planet of people hostage is about as crazy as you can get. He is a murderer and a tyrant. |
Delta 749
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Posted - 2013.07.19 10:29:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Delta 749 wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:I never said that the popular opinion is the best or even correct course of action. I do believe that the problems of the federation can be better solved with public discussion and votes. We are not the leaders of education, invention, tolerance and freedom because of mob rule, we are leaders because we allow anyone with a voice to speak and weigh it accordingly.
Proud heritage? Are you referring to the brainwashing your society endures at the expense of the less fortunate? The people at the top have the power and tell the people holding them up that they are doing a good job. The people at the bottom are walked over and used to create more power and money for the top 2%. It is sickening. I do things for the federation out of patriotism not because of indoctrination and suppression. Our strength comes from our freedoms and individuality not from our enslavement to a system that holds people hostage on a planet under constant threat of destruction from a mad man. And just who is this madman you refer to? The ousted Heth who no longer holds power? I believe you should take some time in your quarters and actually research the State and the definition of a meritocracy. Really to think that our citizens paths through life are set in stone at birth shows a critical misunderstanding of the caste system and this is not even touching the contradictions and hypocrisy in your ranting. I don't think they are set in stone, I think that they are brainwashed into thinking that the good of the state is more important than personal liberty. Nothing trumps freedom. I would rather live in a van down by the river than be denied my freedom for one second. I have no doubt that the government you love thinks what they are doing is good for their people, I also have no doubt that they are doing it wrong.
But dont you understand that personal liberty and acting for the good of the State are not mutually exclusive things? I myself was dissatisfied with the thought of working as a technician and decided to become a soldier, exercising the personal freedoms you hold dear, and fighting for the greater benefit of the state and the corporation I belong to
I would also argue against Heth being a madman and rather just a normal man who cracked during a time of extreme stress and was unfortunately blinded by his own hatred. Fortunately cooler heads prevailed and we avoided glassing a planet. Although you Gallente did sink a Titan into the planet causing almost as much wanton and senseless destruction and likely killing hundreds of thousands if not millions of non combatants on the planets surface.
(( Did they ever release any civilian casualty estimates from Caldari Prime or am I just talking out of my ass on that one? )) |
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