As many of you know, EoN is currently being attacked by people... which includes the districts owned by Ahrendee Mercenaries. That's fine... war is fun, and the rewards from PC battles are a nice amount of ISK, and generally a skill level above that of regular pub stomps.

One thing that makes it nice? How about a gentlemen's agreement from both sides involved to NOT use either Flaylocks or explode-on-contact grenades (unless, of course, the other side uses them first)?

CCP.... when your end-game players (and PC is the current end-game of Dust) are making agreements to not use what are arguably effective weapons because they are so over-powered and broken.... you must take this opportunity to review both the existence and the balance of said weapons.

Please CCP - you listening to all the QQ'ing about the TAC AR, you fixed the range issues that arose post-Uprising... please listen to your community, your players, your paying customers, and do something about Flaylocks and Contact Grenades.

Regards,
Nightbird (on behalf of the community at large)

Wait. You're proposing an agreement, and then asserting for the rest of your post that the agreement is already in effect?

Wait. You're proposing an agreement, and then asserting for the rest of your post that the agreement is already in effect?

You must be out of the loop. The agreememt to take the weapons out is NOT because the weapon is OP. It is because they want to prevent people from Q.Qing. Which was already happening, almost all related threads were filling up with flaylock callouts. The leaders know that they don't run corporations, they run daycares full of crybabies that can't follow a simple instruction to "not Q.Q or troll the enemies". So they made an agreement.

Has less to do with the items as you think and more to do with alliance members being a bunch or crybabies, and you leaders being smarter than you.

Think about it. The crossbow is easy to train into, didn't take any skill to aim and use, and provide equal if not greater killing power than that of a traditional bow and arrow.

So, to stop the "You have weapons that can kill us, and make us feel sad" crowd from drowning in their own tears.

There has been a decision to tie one hand behind your back, to give the other team a chance.

This is a very admirable.

I am wondering just how far this will go before all whining stops?

Will we see full Starter Fit PC battles in the future?

Will all PC battles have to be fought by newly created "Academy" Alts?

What happened to the noble tradition of "Tear Collection"?

Can we just all agree to use AR?

No... diversity is the spice of life. I am fine with Scrambler rifles... LRs (though they need a bit of a buff), forge guns (even the roof-top snipers), sniper rifles, shotguns and mass drivers (bit noob-ish, but whatever).

Each weapon has a roll, and all contribute to a diverse game. Flaylock and contact grenades are broken and unbalanced, and their use (and abuse) lower the quality of the game.

I like to think that the people actually involved in PC, who are dedicating their time and resources to it, are genuinely concerned about making sure that they enjoy their experience.

They are doing what CCP *should* have done... removing the Flaylock and Contact Grenades from the equation.

When crossbows were invented during the medieval ages, the Pope at the time felt that the crossbow was OP and decided to ban them from warfare. This was the first recorded nerf of any first person shooter in human history.

When crossbows were invented during the medieval ages, the Pope at the time felt that the crossbow was OP and decided to ban them from warfare. This was the first recorded nerf of any first person shooter in human history.

...effectively killing real people isn't the same as fake killing people for fun.

Under that logic, CCP should just design one weapon who kills everyone on the map with the press of a button. Then the game can just be a race to spawn and button mash. It'll be a ton of fun.

Am I the only one who finds MDs far more problematic than I do flaylocks?

How about a MD player with a Flaylock as a secondary?

Annoyed yet?

Now give that player remote explosives.

Now give that player remote explosives.

You must be out of the loop. The agreememt to take the weapons out is NOT because the weapon is OP. It is because they want to prevent people from Q.Qing. Which was already happening, almost all related threads were filling up with flaylock callouts. The leaders know that they don't run corporations, they run daycares full of crybabies that can't follow a simple instruction to "not Q.Q or troll the enemies". So they made an agreement.

Has less to do with the items as you think and more to do with alliance members being a bunch or crybabies, and you leaders being smarter than you.

ccp listens like korea fires missiles....NOT VERY WELL