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Willie Fistersnatch
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.13 21:52:00 -
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just getting an idea of how many skilled flaylock users think the weapon is fine no nerf needed. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5015
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Posted - 2013.07.13 21:56:00 -
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What's a skilled Flaylock user?
O.o |
Parson Atreides
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
464
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Posted - 2013.07.13 21:56:00 -
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Oxymoron. |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
181
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Posted - 2013.07.13 21:58:00 -
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Parson Atreides wrote:Oxymoron.
We will know after the nerf (if CCP gives it a TAC styled one) |
Willie Fistersnatch
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.07.13 21:59:00 -
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with every one running flaylocks i believe there should be pros. maybe you dont have to have skill to use one |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
1922
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Posted - 2013.07.13 22:02:00 -
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It's a powerful area of effect weapon that flies in a straight line.
How can you have a 'skilled' user? |
Protocake JR
Internal Error.
League of Infamy
150
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Posted - 2013.07.13 22:02:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:What's a skilled Flaylock user?
O.o
Someone who can use the weapon at higher ranges and blap LLAV drivers out of their seats. |
Auld Syne
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2013.07.13 22:02:00 -
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Is this similar to Pro- LAV clone smashers? |
Willie Fistersnatch
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.07.13 22:05:00 -
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there should be atleast one skilled user who is proud of his achievements. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
1685
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Posted - 2013.07.13 22:07:00 -
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Why hit the broad side of a barn when the ground is even easier? |
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Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
285
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Posted - 2013.07.13 22:09:00 -
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Willie Fistersnatch wrote:there should be atleast one skilled user who is proud of his achievements.
Hmm.... I think I know what you're doing. *puts 5 bars of soap in a sock* |
Scheneighnay McBob
Tribal Band Dust Mercenaries
Immortals of War
2238
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Posted - 2013.07.13 22:11:00 -
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Many people who suck think they're good. However, my experience with using flaylocks tells me there are many skilled flaylock users, since it's harder than it looks (2m splash radius? More like 6 inches) |
Qn1f3
Seraphim Auxiliaries
CRONOS.
20
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Posted - 2013.07.13 22:20:00 -
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Willie Fistersnatch wrote:there should be atleast one skilled user who is proud of his achievements.
I'm pretty proud over a long range mid-air ( enemy suit ) hit, even though I'm pretty sure that was more randomness than skill from my side. But it sure put a smile on my face! |
Washlee
Not Guilty
EoN.
181
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Posted - 2013.07.13 22:22:00 -
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Skill ? To use the flaylock ... Ha your joking right. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
409
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Posted - 2013.07.13 22:33:00 -
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Willie Fistersnatch wrote:just getting an idea of how many skilled flaylock users think the weapon is fine no nerf needed.
Maybe this guy would sign. LOL |
RA Drahcir
Psygod9
RISE of LEGION
21
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Posted - 2013.07.13 22:38:00 -
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I will agree that the flaylock does not need a nerf if they give heavys a mk19. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
578
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Posted - 2013.07.13 22:51:00 -
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Willie Fistersnatch wrote:just getting an idea of how many NOskilled flaylock users think the weapon is fine no nerf needed.
Fixed.
Weapon is OP, I refuse to run it and it needs a nerf.
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R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
226
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Posted - 2013.07.13 22:54:00 -
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PG/CPU needs to be brought in line with other proto sidearms. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
846
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Posted - 2013.07.13 23:02:00 -
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you know after giving a try, i say it is OP, but my simple fixes are either lower splash damage(OMFG forum rage trolls hate me) while dropping splash range down on the proto to 1.8m or drop a round from mag size(yes down to two(2)) because it is just to easy to kill people( pshh even you little fast scouts) with this weapon over others once you put a rather small amount of sp and time to adjust in. |
Knight SoIaire
Rent-A-Murder Taxi
1191
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Posted - 2013.07.13 23:17:00 -
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I used Flaylocks before they were a trend 
Now I dont want to associate myself with the tryhards so I now use Dual Scram Pistols. I feel like a god damn cowboy! |
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Goregasm Elite
Feral Children
0
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Posted - 2013.07.16 18:09:00 -
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so everyone is fine with them getting nerfed? |
Poplo Furuya
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
371
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Posted - 2013.07.16 18:17:00 -
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Goregasm Elite wrote:so everyone is fine with them getting nerfed?
They're pretty much a big "yuck foo" to armour tankers. I don't armour tank because I'd like to retain what little sanity I can lay claim to but I do feel for them.
Direct:Splash damage ratio should be more in line with the MD, probably.
At the very least they should not be super cheap to fit. 2 PG for proto, really? Also, that ammo capacity... it's around 26 rockets versus 42 or so Scrambler Pistol rounds. More batteries please, CCP! |
Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
2389
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Posted - 2013.07.16 18:21:00 -
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I can shoot people out of LAVS and most of my shots are direct hits(I know this because I practice with the STD version to make sure I'm not using splash as a crutch). I wouldn't say I''m pro though, maybe just above average *shrug*
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xLTShinySidesx
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
530
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Posted - 2013.07.16 18:27:00 -
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Poplo Furuya wrote:Goregasm Elite wrote:so everyone is fine with them getting nerfed? They're pretty much a big "yuck foo" to armour tankers. I don't armour tank because I'd like to retain what little sanity I can lay claim to but I do feel for them. Direct:Splash damage ratio should be more in line with the MD, probably. At the very least they should not be super cheap to fit. 2 PG for proto, really? Also, that ammo capacity... it's around 26 rockets versus 42 or so Scrambler Pistol rounds. More batteries please, CCP!
18 is how many rockets you can carry on the FP, not 26 |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
922
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Posted - 2013.07.16 18:28:00 -
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Goregasm Elite wrote:so everyone is fine with them getting nerfed?
yup, pretty much.
and its 23 with maxed skills. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
2708
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Posted - 2013.07.16 18:28:00 -
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Poplo Furuya wrote:Goregasm Elite wrote:so everyone is fine with them getting nerfed? They're pretty much a big "yuck foo" to armour tankers. I don't armour tank because I'd like to retain what little sanity I can lay claim to but I do feel for them. Direct:Splash damage ratio should be more in line with the MD, probably. At the very least they should not be super cheap to fit. 2 PG for proto, really? Also, that ammo capacity... it's around 26 rockets versus 42 or so Scrambler Pistol rounds. More batteries please, CCP!
This is what I've been telling people. It's not the Flaylock that's the issue, it's the Flaylock spam. Lower the ammo capacity, raise the fitting requirements and the Flaylock will be fine. Let's not turn a fun weapon into another laser. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
820
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Posted - 2013.07.16 18:44:00 -
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Willie Fistersnatch wrote:just getting an idea of how many skilled flaylock users think the weapon is fine no nerf needed.
How are you supposed to know, when the impact damage is little more than the splash?
The only people using the weapon as it should be, are working with the standard & its 1m radius. |
Crimson Judgment
ROGUE SPADES
EoN.
57
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Posted - 2013.07.16 18:46:00 -
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i have had flaylock pistol operation level 1 for awhile now but hardly used it.
so for kicks and giggles i threw 2 basic flaylocks on my adv minmatar assault suit
note i only have minmatar assault level 3 and still only have 3 rounds per mag
so its just basic flaylocks nothing special about em no damage mods nothing
and i tore people apart with them and repeatedly went 24-4 22-1.
to me this says 3 things
either the people i was going against where morons
im pretty good with the flaylock
or the weapon needs something changed about it (the most likely)
one of the only things that killed me where core flaylocks or giant swarms of enemy's while i needed to reload both flaylocks |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
820
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Posted - 2013.07.16 18:47:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:I can shoot people out of LAVS and most of my shots are direct hits(I know this because I practice with the STD version to make sure I'm not using splash as a crutch). I wouldn't say I''m pro though, maybe just above average *shrug*
I've heard that LAVs experience some sort of bug to make them easier to shoot their drivers. It's unverified, but a common claim. |
Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
2389
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Posted - 2013.07.16 18:50:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:I can shoot people out of LAVS and most of my shots are direct hits(I know this because I practice with the STD version to make sure I'm not using splash as a crutch). I wouldn't say I''m pro though, maybe just above average *shrug*
I've heard that LAVs experience some sort of bug to make them easier to shoot their drivers. It's unverified, but a common claim.
Possibly, I also randomly shot at an LAV and 1 shotted the driver with a scrambler just yesterday. No aiming, just shot and *boom* headshot  |
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Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
2521
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Posted - 2013.07.16 18:53:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Willie Fistersnatch wrote:just getting an idea of how many skilled flaylock users think the weapon is fine no nerf needed. Maybe this guy would sign. LOL
Probably not, to be honest. I'm willing to bet he gets killed by them as much as he kills with them. |
Aqua-Regia
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
269
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Posted - 2013.07.16 18:56:00 -
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i'm not skill, just a nub flaylock users. |
3 bird
DUST University
Ivy League
128
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Posted - 2013.07.16 19:05:00 -
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Just boosting the post count of what is effectively a "CCP dont nerf flaylocks" thread.
Having said that I think the flaylock needs a nerf.... let me clarify.
I have been playing around with the basic flaylock and it feels reasonably balanced as a short range weapon.... BUT I feel it would be better balanced with other side arm weapons currently in came if it had a high rate of drop of, more than the MD. keep it as a short range weapon and it brings it in-line with other weapons.
And the core flaylock.... this does need a small nerf, tiny little tweak more than nerf. either reduce it damage a tiny bit or its AoE a tiny bit. Like I said more of a tweak than a full on CCP styled nerf to oblivion.
And its because of the CCP styled full on send it to oblivion for 4-5 months nerf that I'm adding my post to this thread and not to the CCP PLEASE NERF IT BECAUSE IM GETTING KILLED BY IT thread. I'm getting killed by it plenty but having used it i found it to be harder than people make out and it definitely does need a skilled user to be used to best effect. Nerf its range and you have a nice addition to the side arms category that's in-line with other side arms. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
809
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Posted - 2013.07.16 19:19:00 -
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Skilled? |
IceShifter Childhaspawn
DUST University
Ivy League
140
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Posted - 2013.07.16 19:20:00 -
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3 bird wrote:Just boosting the post count of what is effectively a "CCP dont nerf flaylocks" thread.
Having said that I think the flaylock needs a nerf.... let me clarify.
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Remember the Mass Driver! See the Laser! CCP doesn't do 'Little' they nerf into oblivion and wait until there is something new to complain about. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
184
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Posted - 2013.07.16 19:21:00 -
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Willie Fistersnatch wrote:just getting an idea of how many skilled flaylock users think the weapon is fine no nerf needed.
i dont have any flaylock skills and have not even had a chance to use it yet..but it is not op |
3 bird
DUST University
Ivy League
128
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Posted - 2013.07.17 14:21:00 -
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IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:3 bird wrote:Just boosting the post count of what is effectively a "CCP dont nerf flaylocks" thread.
Having said that I think the flaylock needs a nerf.... let me clarify.
. Remember the Mass Driver! See the Laser! CCP doesn't do 'Little' they nerf into oblivion and wait until there is something new to complain about.
That's my point, I don't want another CCP styled nerf, just tweak it, don't break it >< |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
687
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Posted - 2013.07.17 14:25:00 -
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Auld Syne wrote:Is this similar to Pro- LAV clone smashers?
*does that make us pro?*
Shhh... |
Dale Templar
Ghost Wolf Industries
Alpha Wolf Pack
258
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Posted - 2013.07.17 14:27:00 -
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I get hella range on my Flaylock, it's ridiculously awesome. |
Gaechti
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
87
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:11:00 -
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R'adeh Hunt wrote:PG/CPU needs to be brought in line with other proto sidearms.
Leave PG alone. For some its the only sidearm that fits.. Nerf other stats, fine for me.. |
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Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
209
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:13:00 -
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CCP already posted they are making significant changes.
Keep suggesting though. |
MCEINSTEIN08
Defective by Design
10
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:32:00 -
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Absolutely right, two major and very difficult skills are required here, the Point skill (not to be confused with the Aim skill) and the Shoot skill. (No need of re-load skill either, you can kill almost anyone with two (2) missiles and the Flaylock has a clip of three (3))
Pretty much all you need.
(Yes, I do not like the Flaylock, and I do not think good players use it anyway!) |
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Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:37:00 -
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signed
and I dont even use core flaylocks |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
672
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:39:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:Parson Atreides wrote:Oxymoron. We will know after the nerf (if CCP gives it a TAC styled one)
Which they should. |
Bob Teller
Red Star.
EoN.
34
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:39:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Many people who suck think they're good. However, my experience with using flaylocks tells me there are many skilled flaylock users, since it's harder than it looks (2m splash radius? More like 6 inches)
Yea i agree,it's really hard to hip people with the flaylock because the splash radius is so small.Smg have 80 bullets and flaylock only have 3,do the math,flaylock much harder to hit with. |
Sgt Buttscratch
Z.G.R.B
514
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:41:00 -
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The title of this thread is beyond funny |
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Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:42:00 -
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forgot 2 mention
im also a very skilled fused locus handler |
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Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:43:00 -
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Bob Teller wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Many people who suck think they're good. However, my experience with using flaylocks tells me there are many skilled flaylock users, since it's harder than it looks (2m splash radius? More like 6 inches) Yea i agree,it's really hard to hip people with the flaylock because the splash radius is so small.Smg have 80 bullets and flaylock only have 3,do the math,flaylock much harder to hit with.
my SMG's have 100 in the MAG |
Sgt Buttscratch
Z.G.R.B
514
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:44:00 -
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XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:forgot 2 mention
im also a very skilled fused locus handler
I have a militia lav A license |
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Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:46:00 -
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Sgt Buttscratch wrote:XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:forgot 2 mention
im also a very skilled fused locus handler I have a militia lav A license
I have EZmode swarms |
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Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:47:00 -
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WHY MUST EVERYTHING BE SO OVERPOWERED IN THIS FUTURISTIC SPACE GAME! |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1162
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:50:00 -
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Willie Fistersnatch wrote:just getting an idea of how many skilled flaylock users think the weapon is fine no nerf needed.
The weapon is fine.
But, it challenges the AR hegemony, therefore it must be punished.
Go AR or go home. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5242
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:51:00 -
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With things like Flaylocks, Contact Nades, and LAVs, CCP is quite clearly catering to the elderly and crippled crowd.
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daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:53:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Many people who suck think they're good. However, my experience with using flaylocks tells me there are many skilled flaylock users, since it's harder than it looks (2m splash radius? More like 6 inches)
Those 6 inches on you screen translate into 2 m in Dust.
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1164
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:58:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Many people who suck think they're good. However, my experience with using flaylocks tells me there are many skilled flaylock users, since it's harder than it looks (2m splash radius? More like 6 inches) Those 6 inches on you screen translate into 2 m in Dust.
2m in Dust would be as tall as a player. Think about that. Splash, on any weapon that has it, is much smaller in area than claimed on the weapon stats. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
238
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:00:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Many people who suck think they're good. However, my experience with using flaylocks tells me there are many skilled flaylock users, since it's harder than it looks (2m splash radius? More like 6 inches) Those 6 inches on you screen translate into 2 m in Dust.
ive been giving my girlfriends throughout the years similar
excuses |
BARDAS
DUST University
Ivy League
179
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:02:00 -
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1 round clip with double reload speed and higher PG/CPU requirements please. |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
349
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:03:00 -
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Flaylocks get nerfed, something else gets buffed.
STFU before we all get sniped by Scrambler Pistols. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
1697
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:06:00 -
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Willie Fistersnatch wrote:just getting an idea of how many skilled flaylock users think the weapon is fine no nerf needed.
Paradox detected. Universe will selfdestruct SOONGäó . |
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Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
111
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:06:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Flaylocks get nerfed, something else gets buffed.
STFU before we all get sniped by Scrambler Pistols.
this is the truth |
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French Fancy
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
12
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:24:00 -
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Signed.
I have never used one before and will not use one but with how broken they are, to be "skilled" in using them would not take alot. |
OwnD07
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
18
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:35:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Willie Fistersnatch wrote:just getting an idea of how many skilled flaylock users think the weapon is fine no nerf needed. Maybe this guy would sign. LOL
That guy is such a scrub. |
dazlb72
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
36
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:39:00 -
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Willie Fistersnatch wrote:just getting an idea of how many skilled flaylock users think the weapon is fine no nerf needed.
surely that's a contradiction in terms |
hakeru tekidoki
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.07.18 01:59:00 -
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flaylock is fine. but looks like a lot of folk disagree so am just gonna brace for impact with the nerf.  it's not like i don't have it hard enough running around with a shotgun which has a 5 feet effective range. but so what, right? 
these damn tryhard trolls are the cause of all of this ! 
but you can always just blame it on CCP, works...
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Wowski
KiLo.
9
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Posted - 2013.07.18 02:09:00 -
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Flaylock is fine. Nerf splash radius from contact nades, m1's and massdrivers before nerfing a weapon with 2.25 m splash at proto. Grenades OHK pretty much anything and have 6.0+ splash at proto. If you are a heavy and I can kill you with a 2 clips of a flaylock, you are bad. Maybe the real nerf that needs to happen is to complex kinetic mods, honestly I kill so many people with the flaylock because I outrun and outflank them (in a minmatar assault suit with 2 complex kin and around 450 total hp).
They only thing that flaylock's need is a fitting change, currently their fitting req is too low for PG. Don't change splash dmg, if anything change direct dmg to the same splash dmg amount, that way people can stop crying when they get direct shotted and mail me in-game about a 400 dmg flaylock shot.
I think some people are forgetting that the minmatar assault suit is MADE for sidearms, so if you're basing your nerf off of people running with two flaylocks in a suit styled for sidearms you should think twice about how many skillpoints someone had to use to make this a viable selection. Minmatar assault suit adds +1 shot to each Flaylock clip, giving 4 shots per clip (I usually need 5 shots for a proto heavy).
Scouts dying in one hit to flay lock? They die in one hit to everything, buff them. |
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