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        |  RuckingFetard
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      | Posted - 2013.07.12 03:40:00 -
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 By the title, I mean that all Amarr weapons use batteries instead of magazines/clips/whatever, which are destroyed when you overheat your weapon. So, if you carry Amarr weapons, you will also have a few spare cells
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        |  KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
 Seraphim Initiative.
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      | Posted - 2013.07.12 03:51:00 -
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 I like this idea a lot. How many spare batteries do you think a laser or scrambler should carry? I'm thinking 7 for laser rifles, and 10 for scrambler rifles.
 An assault scrambler rifle should overheat when about 70-80 automatic shots have been fired to keep it consistent with the current magazine size.
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        |  RuckingFetard
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      | Posted - 2013.07.12 03:53:00 -
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 KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I like this idea a lot. How many spare batteries do you think a laser or scrambler should carry? I'm thinking 7 for laser rifles, and 10 for scrambler rifles.An assault scrambler rifle should overheat when about 70-80 automatic shots have been fired to keep it consistent with the current magazine size.
 Somewhere around that
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        |  Meeko Fent
 Seituoda Taskforce Command
 Caldari State
 
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      | Posted - 2013.07.12 04:15:00 -
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 Plas One.
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        |  Kador Ouryon
 Dead Six Initiative
 Lokun Listamenn
 
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      | Posted - 2013.07.12 04:20:00 -
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 RuckingFetard wrote:By the title, I mean that all Amarr weapons use batteries instead of magazines/clips/whatever, which are destroyed when you overheat your weapon. So, if you carry Amarr weapons, you will also have a few spare cells Fully read thread changed mind instantly.... interesting thought
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        |  Terry Webber
 Turalyon Plus
 
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      | Posted - 2013.07.12 04:31:00 -
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 I like the OP's idea. It makes more sense for laser weapons to have batteries than actual ammo.
 
 PS: Change the title of the thread. People might get the wrong idea.
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        |  KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
 Seraphim Initiative.
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      | Posted - 2013.07.12 05:17:00 -
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 I have this tagged as a favourite.
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        |  Logi Bro
 Greatness Achieved Through Training
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      | Posted - 2013.07.12 05:21:00 -
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 So if you are smart enough to not let your weapon overheat, it would literally have infinite ammo? Idk if you have used the AScR before, but I have literally never overheated it, unless they bump up overheat rate on all weapons it might get out of hand.
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        |  KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
 Seraphim Initiative.
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      | Posted - 2013.07.12 05:35:00 -
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 Logi Bro wrote:So if you are smart enough to not let your weapon overheat, it would literally have infinite ammo? Idk if you have used the AScR before, but I have literally never overheated it, unless they bump up overheat rate on all weapons it might get out of hand. I suggested in an earlier comment that the ASCR should overheat after firing 70-80 automatic shots to be more consistent with its current magazine size.
 Also the amount of spare batteries could be much lower than the spare magazines of regular weapons as a tradeoff for the potential infinite ammo.
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        |  ALPHA DECRIPTER
 M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces
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      | Posted - 2013.07.12 11:35:00 -
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 When I read this I thought you meant that you wanted all the ammo to be in a single clip/battery lol.
 
 With this idea I would suggest a VERY low bat count and increased overheat rate for all weapons. Your idea, admittingly, would in fact make laser weapons more tactical and give a risk-vs-reward kind of feeling to them.
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        |  Daedric Lothar
 Tritan's Onslaught
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      | Posted - 2013.07.12 11:41:00 -
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 This is cool, +1 OP.
 
 Though I would keep the battery count extremely small, between 1-3 extras.
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        |  Godin Thekiller
 Ghost Wolf Industries
 Alpha Wolf Pack
 
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      | Posted - 2013.07.12 11:43:00 -
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 If they make it coll off way slower than now, okay.
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        |  BL4CKST4R
 WarRavens
 League of Infamy
 
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      | Posted - 2013.07.12 11:58:00 -
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 RuckingFetard wrote:By the title, I mean that all Amarr weapons use batteries instead of magazines/clips/whatever, which are destroyed when you overheat your weapon. So, if you carry Amarr weapons, you will also have a few spare cells 
 Chances are in the future super compact nuclear cells, or very efficient hydrogen fuel cells, will lead to these types of weapons having an infinite set of ammunition.
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        |  Daedric Lothar
 Tritan's Onslaught
 RISE of LEGION
 
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      | Posted - 2013.07.12 12:15:00 -
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 BL4CKST4R wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:By the title, I mean that all Amarr weapons use batteries instead of magazines/clips/whatever, which are destroyed when you overheat your weapon. So, if you carry Amarr weapons, you will also have a few spare cells Chances are in the future super compact nuclear cells, or very efficient hydrogen fuel cells, will lead to these types of weapons having an infinite set of ammunition. 
 Honestly I doubt it, when it comes to weapons.. there would always be the balance of damage, effect and ammo (and a few other things to). I'm sure if we could make a low damage weapon that could fire infinitely, instead we would crank up the damage to insane heights, enough to put a hole in a tank and give it 1-7 shots
 
 that sounds interesting... Adjustable damage.. Like a phaser in Star Trek
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        |  DusterBuster
 DUST University
 Ivy League
 
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      | Posted - 2013.07.12 12:30:00 -
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 I recently suggested something similar in one of my own threads. However, I suggested that laser weapons behave closer to plasma weapons in halo. You have an energy reserve that acts as your ammo supply, but no magazines. That means that as long as you don't overheat, you can fire until you run out of energy. This way, logis can still resupply you as well.
 
 Either way, I think having both overheat and reloads on laser weapons is a little redundant.
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        |  RuckingFetard
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      | Posted - 2013.07.13 04:23:00 -
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 Any more inputs?
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        |  Cross Atu
 Conspiratus Immortalis
 Covert Intervention
 
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      | Posted - 2013.07.13 04:56:00 -
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 Logi Bro wrote:So if you are smart enough to not let your weapon overheat, it would literally have infinite ammo? Idk if you have used the AScR before, but I have literally never overheated it, unless they bump up overheat rate on all weapons it might get out of hand. 
 Increasing the overheat as well as slightly increasing the overheat reduction buff from the amarr suits would, I believe, not only address the general issue but also give more value to the amarr assault suit which is looking like it needs some love.
 
 It'll take some fine tuning to be sure but I think the OP is going in an interesting direction
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        |  Mobius Wyvern
 BetaMax.
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      | Posted - 2013.07.13 06:00:00 -
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 I hate to sound knee-jerk about this, but this seems like something that would be really hard to implement without breaking anything.
 
 I think keeping batteries as disposable power sources that work like magazines is probably the safer bet.
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        |  Breakin Stuff
 Goonfeet
 Top Men.
 
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      | Posted - 2013.07.13 06:21:00 -
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 if they double the time it takes for cooldown I can get behind this. adding 50% to the time to cool down at the least.
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        |  dday3six
 Intrepidus XI
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      | Posted - 2013.07.13 06:21:00 -
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 I wish Scrambler and Laser weaponry worked similarly to Plasma weapons in Space Marine. Basically you have an "ammo" store but instead of reloading you hold the reload button to vent heat.
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        |  KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
 Seraphim Initiative.
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      | Posted - 2013.07.14 12:41:00 -
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 KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Logi Bro wrote:So if you are smart enough to not let your weapon overheat, it would literally have infinite ammo? Idk if you have used the AScR before, but I have literally never overheated it, unless they bump up overheat rate on all weapons it might get out of hand. I suggested in an earlier comment that the ASCR should overheat after firing 70-80 automatic shots to be more consistent with its current magazine size.  Also the amount of spare batteries could be much lower than the spare magazines of regular weapons as a tradeoff for the potential infinite ammo. Would also like to add that overheat is much less penalizing than simply reloading, so that's also a balancing feature.
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        |  KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
 Seraphim Initiative.
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      | Posted - 2013.07.14 16:49:00 -
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 Also scrambler pistol should get overheat as well
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        |  Cross Atu
 Conspiratus Immortalis
 Covert Intervention
 
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      | Posted - 2013.07.14 16:57:00 -
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 KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Logi Bro wrote:So if you are smart enough to not let your weapon overheat, it would literally have infinite ammo? Idk if you have used the AScR before, but I have literally never overheated it, unless they bump up overheat rate on all weapons it might get out of hand. I suggested in an earlier comment that the ASCR should overheat after firing 70-80 automatic shots to be more consistent with its current magazine size.  Also the amount of spare batteries could be much lower than the spare magazines of regular weapons as a tradeoff for the potential infinite ammo. Would also like to add that overheat is much less penalizing than simply reloading, so that's also a balancing feature. 
 Could you elaborate on this?
 
 I haven't run numbers on the time in each case (especially with all the possible skill and weapon permutations included) but reload takes some time and you can weapon switch while overheat takes some time you cannot weapon switch and you take damage (assuming that the weapon actually overheated rather than just had some heat build up which are are allowing to dissipate).
 
 I'd be interested to know which you meant, full overheat or only dissipation as well as your thoughts on what could be done to balance those two so the combination was in the right spot.
  
 Cheers,
 Cross
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        |  XV1
 Ninth Legion Freelance
 
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      | Posted - 2013.07.14 17:20:00 -
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 I like the idea but why not make the batteries slowly recharge making less and less of them be useable till you visit a nanohive or supply depot. Then make overheating take a chunk of battery life. Current battery technology decays over time and with excessive use.
 
 Only issue is scrambler pistols which should function more like a scrambler rifle anyway.
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        |  Lt Royal
 Subdreddit
 Test Alliance Please Ignore
 
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      | Posted - 2013.07.14 17:35:00 -
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 RuckingFetard wrote:By the title, I mean that all Amarr weapons use batteries instead of magazines/clips/whatever, which are destroyed when you overheat your weapon. So, if you carry Amarr weapons, you will also have a few spare cells 
 I think Amarr weaponry should work similar to EVE Amarr weaponry; Frequency Crystals.
 
 So instead of this battery you talk about maybe the battery could be a crystal pack instead. Depending on the crystal type you use, would change its effective ranges and the way to know if someone is using close quarter or a long range crystals would be the colour of the beams. This could also add a new skill subcategory under weaponry = Ammunition; including the different racial ammunition types; Laser, Projectile, Explosive, Plasma and Magnetic (Rail Gun Weaponry)
 
 Frequency Crystals.
 Basic
 Yellow = Average RoF & average damage.
 
 Advanced
 Not too sure if Advanced ammunition type would be needed. Instead the ammunition skill would increase the longevity of the crystals. (Larger clip size.)
 
 Prototype
 Red = Long Range - Low RoF but high damage.
 Green = Medium Ranged - Balanced between the two.
 Purple = Close Quarters - High Rof but low damage.
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        |  Breakin Stuff
 Goonfeet
 Top Men.
 
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      | Posted - 2013.07.14 19:58:00 -
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 there's no particular need to make weapons work identically to EVE. make those weapon modifications later down the line.
 
 example: multifrequency cuts the range in half but increases damage significantly for a laser as a permanent mod on a specific fit.
 
 antimatter charges for the plasma cannon: cuts the utility of the arcing range for a straighter, shorter shot of about 50 meters tops but hits harder
 
 EMP rounds for the HMG for those pesky shield tankers.
 
 I'm of the opinion that ammo variations should be modifications you put to each fit for increased utility.
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        |  dday3six
 Intrepidus XI
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      | Posted - 2013.07.14 19:59:00 -
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 Lt Royal wrote:RuckingFetard wrote:By the title, I mean that all Amarr weapons use batteries instead of magazines/clips/whatever, which are destroyed when you overheat your weapon. So, if you carry Amarr weapons, you will also have a few spare cells I think Amarr weaponry should work similar to EVE Amarr weaponry; Frequency Crystals.  So instead of this battery you talk about maybe the battery could be a crystal pack instead. Depending on the crystal type you use, would change its effective ranges and the way to know if someone is using close quarter or a long range crystals would be the colour of the beams. This could also add a new skill subcategory under weaponry = Ammunition; including the different racial ammunition types; Laser, Projectile, Explosive, Plasma and Magnetic (Rail Gun Weaponry) Frequency Crystals.Basic
 Yellow = Average RoF & average damage. Advanced
 Not too sure if Advanced ammunition type would be needed. Instead the ammunition skill would increase the longevity of the crystals. (Larger clip size.) Prototype Red = Long Range - Low RoF but high damage. Green = Medium Ranged - Balanced between the two. Purple = Close Quarters - High Rof but low damage. 
 In the future it would be nice if several weapons had customizable options like this.
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        |  Iskandar Zul Karnain
 Hellstorm Inc
 League of Infamy
 
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      | Posted - 2013.07.14 22:15:00 -
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 I'm not crazy about this idea. Unless were giving overheat reduction a moderate boost for the Amarr suit I just see this as crippling the ScR.
 Overheats happen. Sometimes its necessary to intentionally overheat to down an enemy like a heavy.
 I see the risk far outweighing reward on this one.
 
 Now...what if ScR did more damage as it got hotter?
 I also like the idea of frequency crystals. Would love to have builds for different ranges.
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        |  Dagger-Two
 Villore Joint Task Force
 
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      | Posted - 2013.07.15 00:43:00 -
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 The 'magazines' we currently have for laser weapons ARE batteries. Lasers require large amounts of power to be effective weapons; the three laser weapons currently in dust all use high-density battery packs. You still only get so many shots out of a battery.
 
 For a heavy laser weapon, I could see it being tied into a heavy suit itself, having an ammo 'pool' it draws from, which slowly regenerates. Infinite ammo, but slow recharging compared to how fast power is used when firing the weapon.
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        |  Arx Ardashir
 Imperium Aeternum
 
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      | Posted - 2013.07.15 02:03:00 -
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 KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Also scrambler pistol should get overheat as well What? Why?
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