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Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1156	Posted - 2013.07.12 02:48:00 - [1] - Quote 'zealot'' variants of the energy weapons would be identical to regular variants except for one change. Instead of locking up when they over heat they just deal feedback damage and you can keep firing taking more damage as you go. This would let people maybe be able to get that one last shot to kill at the cost of dealing nearly lethal amounts of damage to yourself.
ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 55	Posted - 2013.07.12 02:54:00 - [2] - Quote You're one of those pew pewpewpewpewpew (Overheat) GAH DAMMIT! dies People aren't you? I can see how this brings that "Risk vs reward" aspect so I say go for it. +1
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 4842	Posted - 2013.07.12 03:01:00 - [3] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: 'zealot'' variants of the energy weapons would be identical to regular variants except for one change. Instead of locking up when they over heat they just deal feedback damage and you can keep firing taking more damage as you go. This would let people maybe be able to get that one last shot to kill at the cost of dealing nearly lethal amounts of damage to yourself. I would loooooooove this.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 140	Posted - 2013.07.12 03:07:00 - [4] - Quote love it make it happen
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 259	Posted - 2013.07.12 05:49:00 - [5] - Quote Plas 2 for you. Have a cookie. Awesome idea.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 859	Posted - 2013.07.12 05:52:00 - [6] - Quote Not sure I like the idea but at least it would make the Heavy Bonus useful.
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 111	Posted - 2013.07.12 08:09:00 - [7] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Not sure I like the idea but at least it would make the Heavy Bonus useful. Which is why I proposed that idea a couple of days ago.
Vin Vicious Capital Acquisitions LLC 169	Posted - 2013.07.12 08:45:00 - [8] - Quote +1
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1167	Posted - 2013.07.12 21:25:00 - [9] - Quote Good to see you guys like it,
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 646	Posted - 2013.07.12 21:29:00 - [10] - Quote RAAAAAAAGE "In the name of God! I call down the fury of thou's scrambler rifle upon thee!!" While shooting and burning himself up. Love it. lol

Buster Friently Rosen Association 1105	Posted - 2013.07.13 00:16:00 - [11] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: 'zealot'' variants of the energy weapons would be identical to regular variants except for one change. Instead of locking up when they over heat they just deal feedback damage and you can keep firing taking more damage as you go. This would let people maybe be able to get that one last shot to kill at the cost of dealing nearly lethal amounts of damage to yourself. I like this idea.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5239	Posted - 2013.08.02 11:03:00 - [12] - Quote Thread made it in the feedback/requests weekly updates, I still want it.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 2327	Posted - 2013.08.02 11:12:00 - [13] - Quote +1 really like this idea. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=90817 I have a thread with more information regarding the issues with Overheat and would especially love to see some re-balancing on the Laser Rifle overheat damage as I explain in post #43 Copy/Pasted for Glory: Quote: Bringing this back up to the front as Ive found some new information regarding overheating. 1.) Overheating a scrambler rifle provides 50 damage to the user across all platforms. 2.) HMGs do not have overheat damage listed in Show Info. 3.) Laser Rifles do dramatically higher damage to the user, with numbers escalating in meta level. Standard: 150 Damage. Advanced: 202 Damage. Prototype: 255 Damage. Im now convinced the laser rifle is designed to kill the owner.
Tal-Rakken DUST University Ivy League 41	Posted - 2013.08.02 11:18:00 - [14] - Quote damn a feedback/request that i can actually get behind holy **** I like the balanced idea of taking more damage after the overheat instead of it locking up. i cant count the number of times i've chosen the assault over the regular for this exact reason. The scrambler rifle in the middle of heavy combat just cant stand up to the GAR due to locking up after only a few rapid shots(yeah i know those shots hit a lot harder but oh well so do gtar rounds which doesnt suffer from overheat just low ammo).
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1507	Posted - 2013.08.02 15:25:00 - [15] - Quote Such a good idea! I'm glad this is getting some Dev attention.
Tal-Rakken DUST University Ivy League 41	Posted - 2013.08.02 15:54:00 - [16] - Quote Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Such a good idea! I'm glad this is getting some Dev attention. So far no dev response sadly
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1508	Posted - 2013.08.02 16:16:00 - [17] - Quote Tal-Rakken wrote: Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote: Such a good idea! I'm glad this is getting some Dev attention. So far no dev response sadly https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1132167#post1132167
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5260	Posted - 2013.08.06 00:05:00 - [18] - Quote I still want to melt people with an overheating laser
Gigatron Prime The.Primes 315	Posted - 2013.08.08 01:35:00 - [19] - Quote Why are we not funding this?
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2766	Posted - 2013.08.08 01:47:00 - [20] - Quote Believe it or not, my scrambler rifle overheating once caused me to get hit by an LAV.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5915	Posted - 2013.09.13 01:07:00 - [21] - Quote I'm pretty sure everyone would use the zealot variants if they have otherwise identical sights. Perhaps laser weapons should be like this.
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1018	Posted - 2013.09.13 01:12:00 - [22] - Quote If you kill yourself with this kind of weapon you should burst into flames and, naturally, be unreviveable.
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1051	Posted - 2013.09.13 01:13:00 - [23] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: 'zealot'' variants of the energy weapons would be identical to regular variants except for one change. Instead of locking up when they over heat they just deal feedback damage and you can keep firing taking more damage as you go. This would let people maybe be able to get that one last shot to kill at the cost of dealing nearly lethal amounts of damage to yourself. Its a good idea, here is why: ''Zealot'' Laser weaponry is what HEAVIES would use,with their reduction to feedback damage and Massive HP they will have yet another type of weapon.Sacrificing their HP to to deal damage. +1
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1942	Posted - 2013.09.13 01:26:00 - [24] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: 'zealot'' variants of the energy weapons would be identical to regular variants except for one change. Instead of locking up when they over heat they just deal feedback damage and you can keep firing taking more damage as you go. This would let people maybe be able to get that one last shot to kill at the cost of dealing nearly lethal amounts of damage to yourself. DO IT I WANT ZEALOT BPO Dropsuits and weapons so I can tank in relatively acceptable ISK loss.
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles 1226	Posted - 2013.09.13 05:36:00 - [25] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Talos Alomar wrote: 'zealot'' variants of the energy weapons would be identical to regular variants except for one change. Instead of locking up when they over heat they just deal feedback damage and you can keep firing taking more damage as you go. This would let people maybe be able to get that one last shot to kill at the cost of dealing nearly lethal amounts of damage to yourself. Its a good idea, here is why: ''Zealot'' Laser weaponry is what HEAVIES would use,with their reduction to feedback damage and Massive HP they will have yet another type of weapon.Sacrificing their HP to to deal damage. +1 +1 Making the heavy moar pawar!!11!
Garth Mandra The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 105	Posted - 2013.09.13 07:15:00 - [26] - Quote If the other stats were the same then everyone would use these because you presumably wouldn't get the overheat lock (not being able to sprint change weapon etc). Also there would be an interesting interaction between theses weapons and rep tools/hives. Until you needed to reload anyway.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 116	Posted - 2013.09.13 09:30:00 - [27] - Quote keep it going!!! I WANT THIS!
Valerie Viever Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 5	Posted - 2013.09.13 13:03:00 - [28] - Quote +1
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 5926	Posted - 2013.09.14 01:19:00 - [29] - Quote I stilI want
Thurak1 Psygod9 167	Posted - 2013.09.14 01:31:00 - [30] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Talos Alomar wrote: 'zealot'' variants of the energy weapons would be identical to regular variants except for one change. Instead of locking up when they over heat they just deal feedback damage and you can keep firing taking more damage as you go. This would let people maybe be able to get that one last shot to kill at the cost of dealing nearly lethal amounts of damage to yourself. Its a good idea, here is why: ''Zealot'' Laser weaponry is what HEAVIES would use,with their reduction to feedback damage and Massive HP they will have yet another type of weapon.Sacrificing their HP to to deal damage. +1 Yep in a gunfight i would very likely prefer to take damage in order to stay shooting.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6246	Posted - 2013.09.27 14:09:00 - [31] - Quote Want still
XANDER KAG Red Star. EoN. 296	Posted - 2013.09.27 14:23:00 - [32] - Quote How would you want it to deal damage? Per shot, per second of continued overheat? Would it suffer a small damage penalty (say 5-10%) when overheated to keep the other gun viable? I like the Idea and would use these, but it brings up the issue. Even if you do more damage to yourself with these variants, they are going to be superior because you will still be able to fire while your counterpart with the "regular" version would get stuck walking, be unable to fire, and still have taken as much initial feedback damage as you did. Besides nothing is making you continue to shoot those final shots to kill your target, so you could use this variant like current scram rifles, but without the draw-back of a feedback stall.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 655	Posted - 2013.09.27 15:21:00 - [33] - Quote XANDER KAG wrote: How would you want it to deal damage? Per shot, per second of continued overheat? Would it suffer a small damage penalty (say 5-10%) when overheated to keep the other gun viable? I like the Idea and would use these, but it brings up the issue. Even if you do more damage to yourself with these variants, they are going to be superior because you will still be able to fire while your counterpart with the "regular" version would get stuck walking, be unable to fire, and still have taken as much initial feedback damage as you did. Besides nothing is making you continue to shoot those final shots to kill your target, so you could use this variant like current scram rifles, but without the draw-back of a feedback stall. Drastically decrees weapon feedback or only make the zealot variant available after operation lvl 5
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1577	Posted - 2013.09.27 22:54:00 - [34] - Quote XANDER KAG wrote: How would you want it to deal damage? Per shot, per second of continued overheat? Would it suffer a small damage penalty (say 5-10%) when overheated to keep the other gun viable? I like the Idea and would use these, but it brings up the issue. Even if you do more damage to yourself with these variants, they are going to be superior because you will still be able to fire while your counterpart with the "regular" version would get stuck walking, be unable to fire, and still have taken as much initial feedback damage as you did. Besides nothing is making you continue to shoot those final shots to kill your target, so you could use this variant like current scram rifles, but without the draw-back of a feedback stall. I'd say it starts dealing it's heat-build up as DPS to the user.
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 322	Posted - 2013.09.27 23:02:00 - [35] - Quote How about after you overheat, you get the same amount of overheat damage as now but doesn't lock up and deals damage per shot. Also, if the zealot variant overheats, the weapons cooldown time is increased.
General Erick Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 139	Posted - 2013.09.27 23:28:00 - [36] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: 'zealot'' variants of the energy weapons would be identical to regular variants except for one change. Instead of locking up when they over heat they just deal feedback damage and you can keep firing taking more damage as you go. This would let people maybe be able to get that one last shot to kill at the cost of dealing nearly lethal amounts of damage to yourself. You're a true Amarrian. That's the only thing I respect about you.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1578	Posted - 2013.09.27 23:30:00 - [37] - Quote General Erick wrote: Talos Alomar wrote: 'zealot'' variants of the energy weapons would be identical to regular variants except for one change. Instead of locking up when they over heat they just deal feedback damage and you can keep firing taking more damage as you go. This would let people maybe be able to get that one last shot to kill at the cost of dealing nearly lethal amounts of damage to yourself. You're a true Amarrian. That's the only thing I respect about you. umm, thanks?
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6344	Posted - 2013.10.02 14:42:00 - [38] - Quote LAZZOR!
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1605	Posted - 2013.10.02 17:13:00 - [39] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: LAZZOR! PEW PEW PEW
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 155	Posted - 2013.10.02 17:16:00 - [40] - Quote +1 again for MAKE. IT.

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6984	Posted - 2013.11.01 22:35:00 - [41] - Quote Still would be super awesome Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6984	Posted - 2013.11.09 18:47:00 - [42] - Quote I would sooooo love this Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division 204	Posted - 2013.11.09 18:59:00 - [43] - Quote +1 and i will always want it. That and having my minmatar heavy/tank CCP wants me to specialize? But there's so many weapons! 'Unwise SP spending mode activated'
The-Errorist 348	Posted - 2013.11.11 08:58:00 - [44] - Quote Still want
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7357	Posted - 2013.12.08 23:21:00 - [45] - Quote I want this Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Faunher The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 14	Posted - 2013.12.09 05:55:00 - [46] - Quote I am not a heavy, but I miss back when heavies were the top of the scoreboard, surpassed only maybe by the logi giving them reps. I feel as if this would help put them back up on to the top of the chain, +1
Timothy Reaper WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 598	Posted - 2013.12.09 08:00:00 - [47] - Quote Something to consider is possible damage to the weapon itself. For example, the description of the Laser Rifle says: "Heat build-up is typically managed by a self-regulating failsafe, a device used to forcibly shut the weapon off at regular intervals, flushing heat from its internal workings and preventing lethal feedback to the user, but most laser rifles in the field have been altered to bypass the built-in safety protocols." So it seems that the weapons aren't shutting down to protect the user from further damage, but because they have difficulty functioning at such high temperatures. My suggestion, along with DPS for the overheat, is to have a breaking point, with an early warning fuction (beeping, or something like that) of course. + 1 to the OP, I would like to see something like that for all weapons with an overheat mechanic (vehicle turrets included). It just makes sense to me that if push a weapon beyond it's limits you risk turning it into a really expensive club. Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Mark Twain
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7675	Posted - 2013.12.30 09:41:00 - [48] - Quote I want still Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 939	Posted - 2013.12.30 09:59:00 - [49] - Quote I'm against the idea that a variant should have such remarkably different overheating mechanics. Either all overheating weapons have this, or none do. That's the only way to go. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage is more lethal.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 8987	Posted - 2014.02.09 18:49:00 - [50] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Talos Alomar wrote: 'zealot'' variants of the energy weapons would be identical to regular variants except for one change. Instead of locking up when they over heat they just deal feedback damage and you can keep firing taking more damage as you go. This would let people maybe be able to get that one last shot to kill at the cost of dealing nearly lethal amounts of damage to yourself. I would loooooooove this. Still would Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+

Hawk-eye Occultus Omega Elite Mercs INC. 22	Posted - 2014.02.09 19:09:00 - [51] - Quote +1 Intelligence without ambition; is a bird without wings...
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 9441	Posted - 2014.02.20 07:48:00 - [52] - Quote Still a great idea Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
The-Errorist 522	Posted - 2014.03.02 22:16:00 - [53] - Quote bumb
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 527	Posted - 2014.03.02 23:34:00 - [54] - Quote Exceptional idea. +1
Dunce Masterson Savage Bullet 28	Posted - 2014.03.02 23:38:00 - [55] - Quote unless they apply the over heat mechanic to the Rail rifle then they need to remove it from all the laser weapons so that their is a counter to the RR DPM output.
The-Errorist 524	Posted - 2014.03.02 23:51:00 - [56] - Quote Dunce Masterson wrote: unless they apply the over heat mechanic to the Rail rifle then they need to remove it from all the laser weapons so that their is a counter to the RR DPM output. No, balancing a good weapon to be on par with an overpowered one is not a good idea.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10357	Posted - 2014.04.09 01:43:00 - [57] - Quote I still want this coolness Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2672	Posted - 2014.06.09 16:09:00 - [58] - Quote bump
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 739	Posted - 2014.06.10 12:44:00 - [59] - Quote This would go well with risk vs reward model that's in place. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
Talon Paetznick II Gallente Federation Resistance 10	Posted - 2014.06.11 03:02:00 - [60] - Quote would love to see this mechanic on an HMG it would go like this gets killed by HMG (but nearly took him out) me: "a*hole" HMG kills self with overheat* me: "dumba** " dust math: getting killed by ion pistol = dropping the soap,useful item= nerfhammer, protostomp= WHY GOD!!!



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