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Lee Goland
Second Six Corporation
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Posted - 2013.07.11 17:28:00 -
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Since the update in which the Nova Knives sound effect changed (1.2?), I have been having a lot harder time with hit and run kills. I started using Minja and Novas when the game went live (is that Uprising 1.0?). I had been very successful flanking lone mercs, running up behind or along side them, and OHK with partial charged strikes to the head (snick, snick).
Occasionally, I would get locked up in a death dance at 0 range and swing wildly until they died. Figure 2 or 3 uncharged hits.
Since 1.2, the only OHK I can get is fully charged sneak attack headshots from behind to snipers and heavies. If I sprint past and land a partial charge blow now (woooosh), I see a hit indicator, their shield flashes, and I MAY see a small reduction in total shields. If I am locked up leaping and strafing while flailing my blades, I will see hit after hit after hit land with minimal impact, and then I will see my death screen.
So what gives? Have the Nova Knives been stealth nerfed? Are the blade strikes that much slower now? Is the woosh sound a single blade, as opposed to the double bladed snick snick, meaning I am landing one hit instead of two? Has there been a damage reduction so I am not hitting 300+ points double bladed uncharged? OR Have there been enough buffs to shields that I just can penetrate any more? OR Have skill levels and player skill advanced enough that I can't get in for the kill any more?
The only saving grace of Nova Knives was that if I managed to get within range, you were dead. Now with the need for multiple strikes, there is very little way to survive to get the kill.
tl;dr I can't kill with Nova Knives since 1.2, why not? |
BARDAS
DUST University Ivy League
133
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Posted - 2013.07.11 17:37:00 -
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From my own personal experience hit detection seems to be having problems registering sometimes. There have been perfectly lined up stabs that just don't register any damage. This is on completely still targets also(snipers I have snuck up on). I have been relying on my M209 assault smg a lot more since this last patch. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
5997
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Posted - 2013.07.11 17:40:00 -
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Since 1.2 Knives have scored more kills on me than the flaylocks have so that say's something at least. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4969
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Posted - 2013.07.11 17:41:00 -
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I was going to play around with my Nova Knife heavy fit for the overwhelming lulz, but a friend hooked me up with Legend of Legaia for the PS1 and MY FACE IS MELTING.
Sooooooo....good luck with that. Minja's can be scary, pain in the ass to take down with an AR. Too bad Flaylocks and contact nades are a thing
:/ |
Scheneighnay McBob
Blueberry Gunners
2206
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Posted - 2013.07.11 17:46:00 -
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They haven't been purposely nerfed- for some reason, hit detection now works completely against scouts.
Scouts are easier to hit, yet somehow hit detection with knives is broken |
Funkmaster Whale
0uter.Heaven
62
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Posted - 2013.07.11 17:52:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Since 1.2 Knives have scored more kills on me than the flaylocks have so that say's something at least.
Anecdotal evidence. I haven't been killed once by Nova Knives so the only thing that "says" is you should play better. |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
136
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Posted - 2013.07.11 18:29:00 -
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Send me a message now an add urself to the bacon knives channel or scouts united I ll squad up with you an explain some ish I I figured out in this build |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
290
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Posted - 2013.07.11 18:51:00 -
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Quit trying to knife my heavy you half wits. It does not work and will only result in immediate termination. |
Cormack's Modified Griefer
Expert Intervention Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2013.07.11 19:12:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Quit trying to knife my heavy you half wits. It does not work and will only result in immediate termination. I beg to differ, it was easy for me before the buff |
Sinboto Simmons
Sver true blood Public Disorder.
611
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Posted - 2013.07.11 19:17:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Quit trying to knife my heavy you half wits. It does not work and will only result in immediate termination. If the knife don't work the freedom comes out so I'm not to concerned |
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Sinboto Simmons
Sver true blood Public Disorder.
611
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Posted - 2013.07.11 19:25:00 -
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On topic: I seem to be needing a couple strikes on the gallente assault suit as well something that's never been a problem usualy need 1, heavys as well seem to be able to take two strikes and not die which is strange, I thought perhaps one of the strikes didn't connect but he was into the last bit of his armor and I'm pretty sure the blades don't do that much damage so I'm thinking I'm doing less damage.
Ive no way to be sure but to test them again against a heavy, I'll hit a proto gallente as well hopefully. |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
136
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Posted - 2013.07.11 20:08:00 -
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What's your profile dampening at? Do you have proficiency knives using ishnoks( you said 300 damage ishnoks are 200/ had to ask, proficiency level?) Do you have minmatar racial suit bonus? What's your speed? What's your sensitivity settings? I lowered mine to 20 left right an 10 up down big difference! Have you de fragged your ps3 lately? Do you hit them once they stop moving? Do you stalk them? I run shields knives complex red an a enhanced armor repair an flux nades with my sensitivity low to not miss a quick strafer. I found the new build doesn't allow the manic slashing without a charge, Because the knives have a delay now. Press your swing an see if the knives react instantly. They don't they wait almost 1second because they auto matically begin to charge, you have to incorporate this to your style. Also the hight opponent strafe speed means that one second delay often means you only get em with one blade. Plus their movement doesn't always register that an our endurance now has a delay . So use the armor repair an complex red. You'll run 9.36 but the enhanced repair an a scouts quick shield recharge will keep you at almost full health if you get hit an hide behind a box , they see you two seconds later an your health is full again , use the flux to stall. When you chuck the first nade they don't know what kind it is so you by time to get your endurance an shield up, throw another an run, circle stalk and kill this strategy work well because they don't know your back to full health an they abort thinking your not coming back for seconds an that's when you get them. Stalk wait for their endurance to make them walk , sprint kill. Adjust your settings in sensitivity de frag the ps3 an try my style see if it works, get at me tonight I'll be able to squad in about 8 hours |
Ghost Kaisar
Intrepidus XI EoN.
121
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Posted - 2013.07.11 20:13:00 -
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I notice that I seem to get lots of False Positives with knives.
You get the shield burst and the hit sound, yet no damage is dealt, and no indicator shows.
Happens most frequently against moving targets. If they are standing still knives have no problem whatsoever, so I think it might be a problem with the range of the knives (for example, you might be on the edge of the range, and it doesn't know how to respond.) |
Lee Goland
Second Six Corporation
5
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Posted - 2013.07.11 20:14:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:Send me a message now an add urself to the bacon knives channel or scouts united I ll squad up with you an explain some ish I I figured out in this build
I'm in Scouts United, so I'll look you up when I get on. |
Lee Goland
Second Six Corporation
5
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Posted - 2013.07.11 20:17:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Quit trying to knife my heavy you half wits. It does not work and will only result in immediate termination.
Actually, it works well when it hits/detects/applies damage. Knife scout is the Paper to your HMG Rock...of course, majority of players are AR Scissors, so that's not in my favor.
(I don't want to hear about LAV Lizards, or Tank Spocks) |
The Cobra Commander
Bojo's School of the Trades
73
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Posted - 2013.07.11 20:24:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:What's your profile dampening at? Do you have proficiency knives using ishnoks( you said 300 damage ishnoks are 200/ had to ask, proficiency level?) Do you have minmatar racial suit bonus? What's your speed? What's your sensitivity settings? I lowered mine to 20 left right an 10 up down big difference! Have you de fragged your ps3 lately? Do you hit them once they stop moving? Do you stalk them? I run shields knives complex red an a enhanced armor repair an flux nades with my sensitivity low to not miss a quick strafer. I found the new build doesn't allow the manic slashing without a charge, Because the knives have a delay now. Press your swing an see if the knives react instantly. They don't they wait almost 1second because they auto matically begin to charge, you have to incorporate this to your style. Also the hight opponent strafe speed means that one second delay often means you only get em with one blade. Plus their movement doesn't always register that an our endurance now has a delay . So use the armor repair an complex red. You'll run 9.36 but the enhanced repair an a scouts quick shield recharge will keep you at almost full health if you get hit an hide behind a box , they see you two seconds later an your health is full again , use the flux to stall. When you chuck the first nade they don't know what kind it is so you by time to get your endurance an shield up, throw another an run, circle stalk and kill this strategy work well because they don't know your back to full health an they abort thinking your not coming back for seconds an that's when you get them. Stalk wait for their endurance to make them walk , sprint kill. Adjust your settings in sensitivity de frag the ps3 an try my style see if it works, get at me tonight I'll be able to squad in about 8 hours
This has to be one of the best knife posts I have seen. I am trying to learn how to use them. I came from a Gall. Shotty build so I am at some disadvantage when it comes to the knives (racial bonuses etc...) but I am not letting it stop me.
Just got the proto knives and I am working on my proficiency now...but I am going to incorporate what you just posted.
I know one thing though...these things are a real challenge to use (and I have the deaths to prove it for me! Lol) but the rush you get stabbing someone in the back as the hack an objective, thinking no one saw them, is off the chain! Lol |
Lee Goland
Second Six Corporation
5
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Posted - 2013.07.11 20:27:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Since 1.2 Knives have scored more kills on me than the flaylocks have so that say's something at least. Anecdotal evidence. I haven't been killed once by Nova Knives so the only thing that "says" is you should play better.
The most effective defense against Nova Knifes is squad cohesion, and situational awareness. Good SA, but running lone wolf, and I am going to find a way around you and get you eventually. Good cohesion, but dumb of your surroundings, and I am going to get in the middle of your group and treat it like a blender slicing an dicing the lot of you (OH IF ONLY FRIENDLY FIRE WAS ON IN PUB MATCHES).
That all being said, I'll make sure the Minja community knows your name, Funkmaster Whale. You haven't lived until you have died to some knives in a WTF kinda moment. |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
138
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Posted - 2013.07.11 20:33:00 -
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The Cobra Commander wrote:OZAROW wrote:What's your profile dampening at? Do you have proficiency knives using ishnoks( you said 300 damage ishnoks are 200/ had to ask, proficiency level?) Do you have minmatar racial suit bonus? What's your speed? What's your sensitivity settings? I lowered mine to 20 left right an 10 up down big difference! Have you de fragged your ps3 lately? Do you hit them once they stop moving? Do you stalk them? I run shields knives complex red an a enhanced armor repair an flux nades with my sensitivity low to not miss a quick strafer. I found the new build doesn't allow the manic slashing without a charge, Because the knives have a delay now. Press your swing an see if the knives react instantly. They don't they wait almost 1second because they auto matically begin to charge, you have to incorporate this to your style. Also the hight opponent strafe speed means that one second delay often means you only get em with one blade. Plus their movement doesn't always register that an our endurance now has a delay . So use the armor repair an complex red. You'll run 9.36 but the enhanced repair an a scouts quick shield recharge will keep you at almost full health if you get hit an hide behind a box , they see you two seconds later an your health is full again , use the flux to stall. When you chuck the first nade they don't know what kind it is so you by time to get your endurance an shield up, throw another an run, circle stalk and kill this strategy work well because they don't know your back to full health an they abort thinking your not coming back for seconds an that's when you get them. Stalk wait for their endurance to make them walk , sprint kill. Adjust your settings in sensitivity de frag the ps3 an try my style see if it works, get at me tonight I'll be able to squad in about 8 hours This has to be one of the best knife posts I have seen. I am trying to learn how to use them. I came from a Gall. Shotty build so I am at some disadvantage when it comes to the knives (racial bonuses etc...) but I am not letting it stop me. Just got the proto knives and I am working on my proficiency now...but I am going to incorporate what you just posted. I know one thing though...these things are a real challenge to use (and I have the deaths to prove it for me! Lol) but the rush you get stabbing someone in the back as the hack an objective, thinking no one saw them, is off the chain! Lol Last night I got 4 red line snipers in a row sharing a nano hive with a cheap militia fit for those redline untouchable s it was worth the suicide just if I coulda seen all 4 of there faces when it said OZAROW NOVA KNIVES ON THEIR KILLED CHART LMAO |
The Cobra Commander
Bojo's School of the Trades
74
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Posted - 2013.07.11 20:40:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:The Cobra Commander wrote:OZAROW wrote:What's your profile dampening at? Do you have proficiency knives using ishnoks( you said 300 damage ishnoks are 200/ had to ask, proficiency level?) Do you have minmatar racial suit bonus? What's your speed? What's your sensitivity settings? I lowered mine to 20 left right an 10 up down big difference! Have you de fragged your ps3 lately? Do you hit them once they stop moving? Do you stalk them? I run shields knives complex red an a enhanced armor repair an flux nades with my sensitivity low to not miss a quick strafer. I found the new build doesn't allow the manic slashing without a charge, Because the knives have a delay now. Press your swing an see if the knives react instantly. They don't they wait almost 1second because they auto matically begin to charge, you have to incorporate this to your style. Also the hight opponent strafe speed means that one second delay often means you only get em with one blade. Plus their movement doesn't always register that an our endurance now has a delay . So use the armor repair an complex red. You'll run 9.36 but the enhanced repair an a scouts quick shield recharge will keep you at almost full health if you get hit an hide behind a box , they see you two seconds later an your health is full again , use the flux to stall. When you chuck the first nade they don't know what kind it is so you by time to get your endurance an shield up, throw another an run, circle stalk and kill this strategy work well because they don't know your back to full health an they abort thinking your not coming back for seconds an that's when you get them. Stalk wait for their endurance to make them walk , sprint kill. Adjust your settings in sensitivity de frag the ps3 an try my style see if it works, get at me tonight I'll be able to squad in about 8 hours This has to be one of the best knife posts I have seen. I am trying to learn how to use them. I came from a Gall. Shotty build so I am at some disadvantage when it comes to the knives (racial bonuses etc...) but I am not letting it stop me. Just got the proto knives and I am working on my proficiency now...but I am going to incorporate what you just posted. I know one thing though...these things are a real challenge to use (and I have the deaths to prove it for me! Lol) but the rush you get stabbing someone in the back as the hack an objective, thinking no one saw them, is off the chain! Lol Last night I got 4 red line snipers in a row sharing a nano hive with a cheap militia fit for those redline untouchable s it was worth the suicide just if I coulda seen all 4 of there faces when it said OZAROW NOVA KNIVES ON THEIR KILLED CHART LMAO
Love it!!! I caught 3 one time perched on top of a building sharing a hive...they were sitting there all in a row! I had time to line up my knives with their skulls and scalp them all!!! They did not even move one fell then the other and then the other...totally oblivious to their surroundings!
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Lee Goland
Second Six Corporation
7
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Posted - 2013.07.11 21:39:00 -
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The Cobra Commander wrote:OZAROW wrote:The Cobra Commander wrote:OZAROW wrote:What's your profile dampening at? Do you have proficiency knives using ishnoks( you said 300 damage ishnoks are 200/ had to ask, proficiency level?) Do you have minmatar racial suit bonus? What's your speed? What's your sensitivity settings? I lowered mine to 20 left right an 10 up down big difference! Have you de fragged your ps3 lately? Do you hit them once they stop moving? Do you stalk them? I run shields knives complex red an a enhanced armor repair an flux nades with my sensitivity low to not miss a quick strafer. I found the new build doesn't allow the manic slashing without a charge, Because the knives have a delay now. Press your swing an see if the knives react instantly. They don't they wait almost 1second because they auto matically begin to charge, you have to incorporate this to your style. Also the hight opponent strafe speed means that one second delay often means you only get em with one blade. Plus their movement doesn't always register that an our endurance now has a delay . So use the armor repair an complex red. You'll run 9.36 but the enhanced repair an a scouts quick shield recharge will keep you at almost full health if you get hit an hide behind a box , they see you two seconds later an your health is full again , use the flux to stall. When you chuck the first nade they don't know what kind it is so you by time to get your endurance an shield up, throw another an run, circle stalk and kill this strategy work well because they don't know your back to full health an they abort thinking your not coming back for seconds an that's when you get them. Stalk wait for their endurance to make them walk , sprint kill. Adjust your settings in sensitivity de frag the ps3 an try my style see if it works, get at me tonight I'll be able to squad in about 8 hours This has to be one of the best knife posts I have seen. I am trying to learn how to use them. I came from a Gall. Shotty build so I am at some disadvantage when it comes to the knives (racial bonuses etc...) but I am not letting it stop me. Just got the proto knives and I am working on my proficiency now...but I am going to incorporate what you just posted. I know one thing though...these things are a real challenge to use (and I have the deaths to prove it for me! Lol) but the rush you get stabbing someone in the back as the hack an objective, thinking no one saw them, is off the chain! Lol Last night I got 4 red line snipers in a row sharing a nano hive with a cheap militia fit for those redline untouchable s it was worth the suicide just if I coulda seen all 4 of there faces when it said OZAROW NOVA KNIVES ON THEIR KILLED CHART LMAO Love it!!! I caught 3 one time perched on top of a building sharing a hive...they were sitting there all in a row! I had time to line up my knives with their skulls and scalp them all!!! They did not even move one fell then the other and then the other...totally oblivious to their surroundings!
Since we're sharing stories, I climbed one of the hanger buildings last night and there was an HMG Heavy and an AR Medium standing on top, shooting straight up at a dropship overhead. I had time to charged OHK headshot both of them, one after the other..standing right in front of them. They never saw it coming. Knifing is definitely lul-inducing. |
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Lightning Bolt2
DUST University Ivy League
43
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Posted - 2013.07.11 21:45:00 -
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THIS Fourum thread helps some, i'll find some others and link it to this also |
Ghost Kaisar
Intrepidus XI EoN.
121
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Posted - 2013.07.11 22:02:00 -
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Lee Goland wrote:Since we're sharing stories, I climbed one of the hanger buildings last night and there was an HMG Heavy and an AR Medium standing on top, shooting straight up at a dropship overhead. I had time to charged OHK headshot both of them, one after the other..standing right in front of them. They never saw it coming. Knifing is definitely lul-inducing.
My favorite experience is a tie between two events. The first is taking out an entire squad, one at a time, by dashing in and out of cover in a compound, circling around and always targeting the one guy that wasn't looking at me. The second was walking up to a capture point at the beginning of a match and seeing 4 guys hacking an objective. Now THAT was a killfeed! |
Lee Goland
Second Six Corporation
7
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Posted - 2013.07.11 22:06:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:What's your profile dampening at? Do you have proficiency knives using ishnoks( you said 300 damage ishnoks are 200/ had to ask, proficiency level?) Do you have minmatar racial suit bonus? What's your speed? What's your sensitivity settings? I lowered mine to 20 left right an 10 up down big difference! Have you de fragged your ps3 lately? Do you hit them once they stop moving? Do you stalk them? I run shields knives complex red an a enhanced armor repair an flux nades with my sensitivity low to not miss a quick strafer. I found the new build doesn't allow the manic slashing without a charge, Because the knives have a delay now. Press your swing an see if the knives react instantly. They don't they wait almost 1second because they auto matically begin to charge, you have to incorporate this to your style. Also the hight opponent strafe speed means that one second delay often means you only get em with one blade. Plus their movement doesn't always register that an our endurance now has a delay . So use the armor repair an complex red. You'll run 9.36 but the enhanced repair an a scouts quick shield recharge will keep you at almost full health if you get hit an hide behind a box , they see you two seconds later an your health is full again , use the flux to stall. When you chuck the first nade they don't know what kind it is so you by time to get your endurance an shield up, throw another an run, circle stalk and kill this strategy work well because they don't know your back to full health an they abort thinking your not coming back for seconds an that's when you get them. Stalk wait for their endurance to make them walk , sprint kill. Adjust your settings in sensitivity de frag the ps3 an try my style see if it works, get at me tonight I'll be able to squad in about 8 hours
I have level three (is that ADV?) on Minnie Scout., Dampening module, Scan Range module, Scan Precision module, Damage Mod, Kin Cat, Nova, Flaylock, and Sniper Rifle. My general purpose scout build is Minnie Adv with two Adv Kin Cats, Adv Novas, Adv Flaylock, Flux Grenades, Nanohive, Adv Sidearm Mod, Adv...I don't remember what the high Scan mod is...Precision?
I think the advanced Novas are 150 dmg base, and to my understanding that's per blade, so both hitting should be 300, and charged should be 600, no?
My speed with two adv kin cats is 9.something....9.3 maybe, perhaps 9.6?
I will definitely try turning down my sensitivity. I had it cranked up to 60 each. The logic being that since I need to dance around like a fool, agility was the prime concern. I'm worried that being that low would prevent me from being able to leap over folks and whip around for the backstab, but I'll try it.
I actually didn't know you could de-frag a PS3, so I'll check that out too.
This is the first I've heard of a knife delay, but I'll check for that as well.
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OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
139
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Posted - 2013.07.12 00:31:00 -
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The Cobra Commander wrote:[quote=OZAROW]What's your profile dampening at?
This has to be one of the best knife posts I have seen. I am trying to learn how to use them. I came from a Gall. Shotty build so I am at some disadvantage when it comes to the knives (racial bonuses etc...) but I am not letting it stop me.
Just got the proto knives and I am working on my proficiency now...but I am going to incorporate what you just posted.
I know one thing though...these things are a real challenge to use (and I have the deaths to prove it for me! Lol) but the rush you get stabbing someone in the back as the hack an objective, thinking no one saw them, is off the chain! Lol So what level is your suit at? Armor an shield upgrades an enhancement? Armor repair? Biotics regulation endurance an have you unlocked kinetics? Profile dampening? Your scout is a armor tanker but you can use those low slots to a wicked advantage if you spent the sp correctly . But the play style is different for a few reasons. You can be faster but then you run no armor speed mods 3 an armor rep an a complex shield Or two reds armor rep an a green Or two armor reps basic plate an speed Or profile damp 2 an speed an armor rep All of these styles with a shield But now you have nearly any shield an any time you get hit you ll always lose armor so you need a wicked armor repair always on so it act like your shield regen. So you have 2 things healing you at all times so get that complex armor rep ASAP ! I went mini scout because gallente needs mor things unlocked to be successfull Armor basic maybe enhance ( for shotty use) but deffinetly armor upgrades 5 for the 5% per level mine is shields so everything I skilled would be similar but almost backwards. But you need a complex shield in the frontjust to fill one space which feels like wasted sp unles you went shield energizer so even tho its a low shield it's aways up. But because your pg side will take a lot of power for the 4 slot proto u need engineering an circuitry high lv 5 if possible. The gallente will never have the speed or movement of a mini unless u use 3 complwx kin but you'll run out of stamina faster but since its armor you need fast armor reps on your suit so it works like a minis shield. So if you have armor upgrades 5 an shield up grades 5 you can have extention at level one an have your stock armor higher without a armor mod so you don't lose mobility or speed and put a complex shield in the front an complex armor rep an 3 speed mods in the back run like snot an always have full health in seconds to escape when trapped. An with full pg CPU you can have two weapons cuz your CPU an pg stock is higher than minmatar. But before you spec further spend the 20 thousand sp on a minna tar light basic an test drive its mobility because if you haven't gone galente racial yet it might be worth it to change suits if it fits your play style better. For uprising I went gallente then regretted it an was lucky to get the optional respec. I went mini proto racial 5 nk proficiency3 , shotgun proficiency 3 , dampening 4, endurance 5 cardiac3 , kinetics,5 A shield upgrade an extention5 CPU pg 2 took about 9 million sp. Not sure how much you have but that's a good knifed guideline on how to spec. Since then I now have more weapons an an a basic level 3 gallent scout, minmatar middle frame 3 an a basic gallente assault trying to make a stronger knifer with more hp for shields since I had the same knife problems as you. But then I went bac to my winmatar scout put armor rep on it so I didn't over pass my prey , cleaned my ps3, an lowed my sensitivity an hunted differently mind you some battle aren't good for scout but now I have a tough advanced minmatar medium frame to slap speed mods a proto short an armor rep on an it makes the scout sp spent wor for that build , but not so much anything else cuz the minmitat medium is like second best movement an sprint next to scout so it made sence. So try mini scout before you dump more into gallente. Hope the novel helps |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
139
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Posted - 2013.07.12 01:05:00 -
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Lee Goland wrote:OZAROW wrote:What's your profile dampening at? Do you have proficiency knives using ishnoks( you said 300 damage ishnoks are 200/ had to ask, proficiency level?) Do you have minmatar racial suit bonus? What's your speed? What's your sensitivity settings? I lowered mine to 20 left right an 10 up down big difference! Have you de fragged your ps3 lately? Do you hit them once they stop moving? Do you stalk them? I run shields knives complex red an a enhanced armor repair an flux nades with my sensitivity low to not miss a quick strafer. I found the new build doesn't allow the manic slashing without a charge, Because the knives have a delay now. Press your swing an see if the knives react instantly. They don't they wait almost 1second because they auto matically begin to charge, you have to incorporate this to your style. Also the hight opponent strafe speed means that one second delay often means you only get em with one blade. Plus their movement doesn't always register that an our endurance now has a delay . So use the armor repair an complex red. You'll run 9.36 but the enhanced repair an a scouts quick shield recharge will keep you at almost full health if you get hit an hide behind a box , they see you two seconds later an your health is full again , use the flux to stall. When you chuck the first nade they don't know what kind it is so you by time to get your endurance an shield up, throw another an run, circle stalk and kill this strategy work well because they don't know your back to full health an they abort thinking your not coming back for seconds an that's when you get them. Stalk wait for their endurance to make them walk , sprint kill. Adjust your settings in sensitivity de frag the ps3 an try my style see if it works, get at me tonight I'll be able to squad in about 8 hours I have level three (is that ADV?) on Minnie Scout., Dampening module, Scan Range module, Scan Precision module, Damage Mod, Kin Cat, Nova, Flaylock, and Sniper Rifle. My general purpose scout build is Minnie Adv with two Adv Kin Cats, Adv Novas, Adv Flaylock, Flux Grenades, Nanohive, Adv Sidearm Mod, Adv...I don't remember what the high Scan mod is...Precision? I think the advanced Novas are 150 dmg base, and to my understanding that's per blade, so both hitting should be 300, and charged should be 600, no? My speed with two adv kin cats is 9.something....9.3 maybe, perhaps 9.6? I will definitely try turning down my sensitivity. I had it cranked up to 60 each. The logic being that since I need to dance around like a fool, agility was the prime concern. I'm worried that being that low would prevent me from being able to leap over folks and whip around for the backstab, but I'll try it. I actually didn't know you could de-frag a PS3, so I'll check that out too. This is the first I've heard of a knife delay, but I'll check for that as well. My advanced fit only has shields2 (think complex an enhanced) complex red(9.36) enhanced armor rep flux an proto knives( 200 each blade 400 each charged 800 total x 25% suit bonus + 9% proficiency =1072 total charge) so work on getting proto knives proficiency 3 CPU pg least 3 complex reds an enhanced armor rep I switched out the red for the rep an like it better not worring that if my armies damaged an my shield get fluxes I have 2 hp, then seconds later I'm full health cuz this build escaping bullets seems harder an speed isn't what it used to be for me, now it's all about full health an SUPRISE MO FAKAH I GOT FULL HP IN 5 SECONDS HOW U LIKE ME NOW BYIOTCHHHHHHHH LOL! Too much speed equals being slow cuz you abuse it an run out of stamina too often. Try changing the sensitivity lower in a match everytime you die, it's easier to track a guy when your right beside him an both of you can't find each other, trust me his will be higher than your so he ll spin in a circle twice before he finds you, sprint punch him it the head charge cuz hell pause to see how much damage he lost an stand still then WHAM HOT RAZORS! |
Funkmaster Whale
0uter.Heaven
68
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Posted - 2013.07.12 01:41:00 -
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Lee Goland wrote:Funkmaster Whale wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Since 1.2 Knives have scored more kills on me than the flaylocks have so that say's something at least. Anecdotal evidence. I haven't been killed once by Nova Knives so the only thing that "says" is you should play better. The most effective defense against Nova Knifes is squad cohesion, and situational awareness. Good SA, but running lone wolf, and I am going to find a way around you and get you eventually. Good cohesion, but dumb of your surroundings, and I am going to get in the middle of your group and treat it like a blender slicing an dicing the lot of you (OH IF ONLY FRIENDLY FIRE WAS ON IN PUB MATCHES). That all being said, I'll make sure the Minja community knows your name, Funkmaster Whale. You haven't lived until you have died to some knives in a WTF kinda moment.
I look forward to it. |
The Cobra Commander
Bojo's School of the Trades
75
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Posted - 2013.07.12 02:26:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:The Cobra Commander wrote:[quote=OZAROW]What's your profile dampening at?
This has to be one of the best knife posts I have seen. I am trying to learn how to use them. I came from a Gall. Shotty build so I am at some disadvantage when it comes to the knives (racial bonuses etc...) but I am not letting it stop me.
Just got the proto knives and I am working on my proficiency now...but I am going to incorporate what you just posted.
I know one thing though...these things are a real challenge to use (and I have the deaths to prove it for me! Lol) but the rush you get stabbing someone in the back as the hack an objective, thinking no one saw them, is off the chain! Lol So what level is your suit at? Armor an shield upgrades an enhancement? Armor repair? Biotics regulation endurance an have you unlocked kinetics? Profile dampening? Your scout is a armor tanker but you can use those low slots to a wicked advantage if you spent the sp correctly . But the play style is different for a few reasons. You can be faster but then you run no armor speed mods 3 an armor rep an a complex shield Or two reds armor rep an a green Or two armor reps basic plate an speed Or profile damp 2 an speed an armor rep All of these styles with a shield But now you have nearly any shield an any time you get hit you ll always lose armor so you need a wicked armor repair always on so it act like your shield regen. So you have 2 things healing you at all times so get that complex armor rep ASAP ! I went mini scout because gallente needs mor things unlocked to be successfull Armor basic maybe enhance ( for shotty use) but deffinetly armor upgrades 5 for the 5% per level mine is shields so everything I skilled would be similar but almost backwards. But you need a complex shield in the frontjust to fill one space which feels like wasted sp unles you went shield energizer so even tho its a low shield it's aways up. But because your pg side will take a lot of power for the 4 slot proto u need engineering an circuitry high lv 5 if possible. The gallente will never have the speed or movement of a mini unless u use 3 complwx kin but you'll run out of stamina faster but since its armor you need fast armor reps on your suit so it works like a minis shield. So if you have armor upgrades 5 an shield up grades 5 you can have extention at level one an have your stock armor higher without a armor mod so you don't lose mobility or speed and put a complex shield in the front an complex armor rep an 3 speed mods in the back run like snot an always have full health in seconds to escape when trapped. An with full pg CPU you can have two weapons cuz your CPU an pg stock is higher than minmatar. But before you spec further spend the 20 thousand sp on a minna tar light basic an test drive its mobility because if you haven't gone galente racial yet it might be worth it to change suits if it fits your play style better. For uprising I went gallente then regretted it an was lucky to get the optional respec. I went mini proto racial 5 nk proficiency3 , shotgun proficiency 3 , dampening 4, endurance 5 cardiac3 , kinetics,5 A shield upgrade an extention5 CPU pg 2 took about 9 million sp. Not sure how much you have but that's a good knifed guideline on how to spec. Since then I now have more weapons an an a basic level 3 gallent scout, minmatar middle frame 3 an a basic gallente assault trying to make a stronger knifer with more hp for shields since I had the same knife problems as you. But then I went bac to my winmatar scout put armor rep on it so I didn't over pass my prey , cleaned my ps3, an lowed my sensitivity an hunted differently mind you some battle aren't good for scout but now I have a tough advanced minmatar medium frame to slap speed mods a proto short an armor rep on an it makes the scout sp spent wor for that build , but not so much anything else cuz the minmitat medium is like second best movement an sprint next to scout so it made sence. So try mini scout before you dump more into gallente. Hope the novel helps
I went full Gall. I have the proto suit...I can run the complex kats and enhanced stamina...armor repper is enhanced...shield upgrades to 4 w/ extensions to 3. Core upgrades to 4 w/ armor to 4...profile damp is at 3 I think...engineering is at 3 I think but it may be 4...not looking at it right now...with shotty maxed out for the most part.
This build is very good to me for a Gall. shotty. Anyways, I have to look at the battlefield a lot different now and focus on picking my fights very carefully.
I am running the Gall adv with 2 basic shield extenders, a complex kat, enhanced repper proto knives, adv scrambled pistol and a flux...gives me 131 on the shields and 151 I think on the armor with sprinting speed a little over 9 and some change. |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
139
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Posted - 2013.07.12 03:35:00 -
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Seems like a pretty awesome fit I also have proto shotty but I think I miss 99% of the time when spotted I get spooked I have no clue how people kill well with them an distance I suck with em but will aventually have a a mini logi as the big brother to my scout since everything I'm spect into will make him monster scout! Some reason I do better in this game with knives than I ever could with a gun that needs aim lol maybe I should get my glasses fixed! My sub is a mean mofo an so is my faylock lol low CPU low pg everyone in the game is scared of em perfect knive back up weapon, if I miss a knife then flux boom boom reload run(YE IM THAT GUY LOL) But hell with 277 total hp I figure I'm allowed! But normally my scout uses just knives my gallente can fit not weapons. Sounds like you know what ur doing an have alot of sp. personally I would go mini basic light level 3 for a cost of maybe a weeks sp an use knives on that an get a ton of kills when it's a good tight city map an use gallente shotty when it gets tougher! Props to killing well with shotty tho I'm still yet to master it do I like the knives but Isee mini in ur future I think the extra mobility will blow u away an your gonna be a hard core kinder if you like it this much already |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
139
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Posted - 2013.07.12 03:38:00 -
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Both weapons on gallente ( stupid auto correct phone lol) |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
183
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Posted - 2013.07.12 03:54:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Quit trying to knife my heavy you half wits. It does not work and will only result in immediate termination. I hope people know how lucky they are when facing knifes. You know you would've been dead! This is the perfect time to state this: If you have knives, join me as I will start making it my duty to knife heavies exclusively. They are the slowest of the pack after all. This will not be easy as how the knives are playing right now and that mean HMG, but I will "Die trying" our rewards will lay on the ground bleeding to death.
Wish me luck knifers. If I see you on the battlefield, I will also go after u with knifes only. (minjas are scary as hell) |
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