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Lee Goland
Second Six Corporation
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Posted - 2013.07.11 17:28:00 -
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Since the update in which the Nova Knives sound effect changed (1.2?), I have been having a lot harder time with hit and run kills.
I started using Minja and Novas when the game went live (is that Uprising 1.0?). I had been very successful flanking lone mercs, running up behind or along side them, and OHK with partial charged strikes to the head (snick, snick).
Occasionally, I would get locked up in a death dance at 0 range and swing wildly until they died. Figure 2 or 3 uncharged hits.
Since 1.2, the only OHK I can get is fully charged sneak attack headshots from behind to snipers and heavies. If I sprint past and land a partial charge blow now (woooosh), I see a hit indicator, their shield flashes, and I MAY see a small reduction in total shields. If I am locked up leaping and strafing while flailing my blades, I will see hit after hit after hit land with minimal impact, and then I will see my death screen.
So what gives? Have the Nova Knives been stealth nerfed? Are the blade strikes that much slower now? Is the woosh sound a single blade, as opposed to the double bladed snick snick, meaning I am landing one hit instead of two? Has there been a damage reduction so I am not hitting 300+ points double bladed uncharged?
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Have there been enough buffs to shields that I just can penetrate any more?
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Have skill levels and player skill advanced enough that I can't get in for the kill any more?
The only saving grace of Nova Knives was that if I managed to get within range, you were dead. Now with the need for multiple strikes, there is very little way to survive to get the kill.
tl;dr I can't kill with Nova Knives since 1.2, why not? |
Lee Goland
Second Six Corporation
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Posted - 2013.07.11 20:14:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:Send me a message now an add urself to the bacon knives channel or scouts united I ll squad up with you an explain some ish I I figured out in this build
I'm in Scouts United, so I'll look you up when I get on. |
Lee Goland
Second Six Corporation
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Posted - 2013.07.11 20:17:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Quit trying to knife my heavy you half wits.
It does not work and will only result in immediate termination.
Actually, it works well when it hits/detects/applies damage. Knife scout is the Paper to your HMG Rock...of course, majority of players are AR Scissors, so that's not in my favor.
(I don't want to hear about LAV Lizards, or Tank Spocks) |
Lee Goland
Second Six Corporation
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Posted - 2013.07.11 20:27:00 -
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Funkmaster Whale wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Since 1.2 Knives have scored more kills on me than the flaylocks have so that say's something at least. Anecdotal evidence. I haven't been killed once by Nova Knives so the only thing that "says" is you should play better.
The most effective defense against Nova Knifes is squad cohesion, and situational awareness. Good SA, but running lone wolf, and I am going to find a way around you and get you eventually. Good cohesion, but dumb of your surroundings, and I am going to get in the middle of your group and treat it like a blender slicing an dicing the lot of you (OH IF ONLY FRIENDLY FIRE WAS ON IN PUB MATCHES).
That all being said, I'll make sure the Minja community knows your name, Funkmaster Whale. You haven't lived until you have died to some knives in a WTF kinda moment.  |
Lee Goland
Second Six Corporation
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Posted - 2013.07.11 21:39:00 -
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The Cobra Commander wrote:OZAROW wrote:The Cobra Commander wrote:OZAROW wrote:What's your profile dampening at?
Do you have proficiency knives using ishnoks( you said 300 damage ishnoks are 200/ had to ask, proficiency level?)
Do you have minmatar racial suit bonus?
What's your speed?
What's your sensitivity settings? I lowered mine to 20 left right an 10 up down big difference!
Have you de fragged your ps3 lately?
Do you hit them once they stop moving?
Do you stalk them?
I run shields knives complex red an a enhanced armor repair an flux nades with my sensitivity low to not miss a quick strafer.
I found the new build doesn't allow the manic slashing without a charge, Because the knives have a delay now.
Press your swing an see if the knives react instantly. They don't they wait almost 1second because they auto matically begin to charge, you have to incorporate this to your style. Also the hight opponent strafe speed means that one second delay often means you only get em with one blade. Plus their movement doesn't always register that an our endurance now has a delay .
So use the armor repair an complex red. You'll run 9.36 but the enhanced repair an a scouts quick shield recharge will keep you at almost full health if you get hit an hide behind a box , they see you two seconds later an your health is full again , use the flux to stall. When you chuck the first nade they don't know what kind it is so you by time to get your endurance an shield up, throw another an run, circle stalk and kill this strategy work well because they don't know your back to full health an they abort thinking your not coming back for seconds an that's when you get them.
Stalk wait for their endurance to make them walk , sprint kill.
Adjust your settings in sensitivity de frag the ps3 an try my style see if it works, get at me tonight I'll be able to squad in about 8 hours This has to be one of the best knife posts I have seen. I am trying to learn how to use them. I came from a Gall. Shotty build so I am at some disadvantage when it comes to the knives (racial bonuses etc...) but I am not letting it stop me. Just got the proto knives and I am working on my proficiency now...but I am going to incorporate what you just posted. I know one thing though...these things are a real challenge to use (and I have the deaths to prove it for me! Lol) but the rush you get stabbing someone in the back as the hack an objective, thinking no one saw them, is off the chain! Lol Last night I got 4 red line snipers in a row sharing a nano hive with a cheap militia fit for those redline untouchable s it was worth the suicide just if I coulda seen all 4 of there faces when it said OZAROW NOVA KNIVES ON THEIR KILLED CHART LMAO Love it!!! I caught 3 one time perched on top of a building sharing a hive...they were sitting there all in a row! I had time to line up my knives with their skulls and scalp them all!!! They did not even move one fell then the other and then the other...totally oblivious to their surroundings! 
Since we're sharing stories, I climbed one of the hanger buildings last night and there was an HMG Heavy and an AR Medium standing on top, shooting straight up at a dropship overhead. I had time to charged OHK headshot both of them, one after the other..standing right in front of them. They never saw it coming. Knifing is definitely lul-inducing. |
Lee Goland
Second Six Corporation
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Posted - 2013.07.11 22:06:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:What's your profile dampening at?
Do you have proficiency knives using ishnoks( you said 300 damage ishnoks are 200/ had to ask, proficiency level?)
Do you have minmatar racial suit bonus?
What's your speed?
What's your sensitivity settings? I lowered mine to 20 left right an 10 up down big difference!
Have you de fragged your ps3 lately?
Do you hit them once they stop moving?
Do you stalk them?
I run shields knives complex red an a enhanced armor repair an flux nades with my sensitivity low to not miss a quick strafer.
I found the new build doesn't allow the manic slashing without a charge, Because the knives have a delay now.
Press your swing an see if the knives react instantly. They don't they wait almost 1second because they auto matically begin to charge, you have to incorporate this to your style. Also the hight opponent strafe speed means that one second delay often means you only get em with one blade. Plus their movement doesn't always register that an our endurance now has a delay .
So use the armor repair an complex red. You'll run 9.36 but the enhanced repair an a scouts quick shield recharge will keep you at almost full health if you get hit an hide behind a box , they see you two seconds later an your health is full again , use the flux to stall. When you chuck the first nade they don't know what kind it is so you by time to get your endurance an shield up, throw another an run, circle stalk and kill this strategy work well because they don't know your back to full health an they abort thinking your not coming back for seconds an that's when you get them.
Stalk wait for their endurance to make them walk , sprint kill.
Adjust your settings in sensitivity de frag the ps3 an try my style see if it works, get at me tonight I'll be able to squad in about 8 hours
I have level three (is that ADV?) on Minnie Scout., Dampening module, Scan Range module, Scan Precision module, Damage Mod, Kin Cat, Nova, Flaylock, and Sniper Rifle. My general purpose scout build is Minnie Adv with two Adv Kin Cats, Adv Novas, Adv Flaylock, Flux Grenades, Nanohive, Adv Sidearm Mod, Adv...I don't remember what the high Scan mod is...Precision?
I think the advanced Novas are 150 dmg base, and to my understanding that's per blade, so both hitting should be 300, and charged should be 600, no?
My speed with two adv kin cats is 9.something....9.3 maybe, perhaps 9.6?
I will definitely try turning down my sensitivity. I had it cranked up to 60 each. The logic being that since I need to dance around like a fool, agility was the prime concern. I'm worried that being that low would prevent me from being able to leap over folks and whip around for the backstab, but I'll try it.
I actually didn't know you could de-frag a PS3, so I'll check that out too.
This is the first I've heard of a knife delay, but I'll check for that as well.
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Lee Goland
Second Six Corporation
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Posted - 2013.07.12 13:28:00 -
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Lightning Bolt2 wrote:THIS Fourum thread helps some, i'll find some others and link it to this also
Oh my god! Is this thread accurate? Why the hell would sprinting cause a hitbox bloom? The entire minmatar military strategy is based on speed tanking. NOW speed tanking makes you a larger target? This...this...I'm just gobsmacked!!! |
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