A MD player uses the flaylock as his primary, and the mass driver as his secondary


Seriously though, I just witnessed this. The player softened me up with the flaylock, then promptly brought out his MD to finish me off after the flay's magazine was dry.

There was absolutely no escaping this explosive noobery

A MD player uses the flaylock as his primary, and the mass driver as his secondary


Seriously though, I just witnessed this. The player softened me up with the flaylock, then promptly brought out his MD to finish me off after the flay's magazine was dry.

There was absolutely no escaping this explosive noobery

Don't you dare touch that little innocent pistol CCP.
I don't want it to end up like the laser rifle.

You mean he failed to kill you with the flay? What a noob

Wow, because I've been on the relieving end of this exact same practice from hell storm members.
Its only OP when it kills you, right? Otherwise its fine, right?

I have 670 shields. Although I was also jumping around trying to dodge the splash, but it still knocked my shields down to almost nothing.

167 - 208.75 per shot depending on their proficiency level, assuming pro 5, that's 626.25... for direct hits. There's no way that was done by splash damage, unless you let them get 5+ rockets off.

This is the story you're going with?

You actually think the guns specs are correct?

It clearly does a lot more damage than it claims to.

Also: Damage mods.

A MD player uses the flaylock as his primary, and the mass driver as his secondary


Seriously though, I just witnessed this. The player softened me up with the flaylock, then promptly brought out his MD to finish me off after the flay's magazine was dry.

There was absolutely no escaping this explosive noobery

Also: damage mods = no shields

So if they were using dmg mods, then they either had no tank or were using lolarmor

Have you ever heard the term glass cannon? You can kill them as easily as they can kill you y'know.

Wow, because I've been on the relieving end of this exact same practice from hell storm members.
Its only OP when it kills you, right? Otherwise its fine, right?

Nope we ostracize hellstorm members when they use the flaylock, We make them feel awkward in squad.

Rest well.

there must be a whole lot of ostracizing going on. I suppose the whole squads of hellstorm flaylock users dont self ostracize.

500 hp.

Some even cry about the flaylock, while using a flaylock.

I have no control over what my corp members use, all I can say is I've never used it and never will (logi, and specing into a sidearm that's bound to be nerfed isn't a good idea).

However I have given grief to HS members for noobing the flaylock against me.

Specs? No, Evidence? Yes.

http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/Sloth_9230/media/Flaylock-1_zps36df8b54.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/Sloth_9230/media/Flaylock-2_zpsbb87bf94.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

171 - 4 = 167

You're clearly imagining things.

Lets do more math.

167(Base shield damage) x 1.25(pro) x 1.30( 3 dmg mods... sort of) = 271.375

Now, if your using an armor suit and/or scout, then... sucks to be you ,but your suits base shields should still be enough to protect you from a 1-HKO, will it leave you pretty much dead? Yup, but you said 1-shot, not 2 shot

So no, a flaylock will never 1 shot you... ever. Unless you're a scout

You're clearly a biased flaylock user.

Sorry, nobody can honestly deny that it isn't severely OP. If you try, you're only kidding yourself.

Now go spam it some more before it gets nerfed.

I didn't deny that it was OP, just that you're making **** up. I might be biased, but that doesn't change the numbers

So tell us, how many hits did they land on you?

Also, lets just ignore the fact that the OP flaylock failed to kill you thanks to your shields.

OP Weapon < Shields .... H'mmm, Could shields possibly be OP as well, even more than the flay? Now there's some food for thought

would 670 armor have been taken out by a flay magazine?

A MD player uses the flaylock as his primary, and the mass driver as his secondary


Seriously though, I just witnessed this. The player softened me up with the flaylock, then promptly brought out his MD to finish me off after the flay's magazine was dry.

There was absolutely no escaping this explosive noobery

You forgot to mention that he was also wearing a calogi i-win suit to complement the double noob tube

Actually I think he was wearing a scout suit and likely using Kb/m, I could not keep up with his strafes and almost non-existent hitbox to land a decent shot.

Calogi i-win suit says hello with 3 out of 4 low slots being used for CPU/PG enhancement in order to carry halfway decent gear, oh and the 4th slot used for catalyzer in order to run as fast as a default assault but had to pay about a million SP for it

Actually I think he was wearing a scout suit and likely using Kb/m, I could not keep up with his strafes and almost non-existent hitbox to land a decent shot.

Calogi i-win suit says hello with 3 out of 4 low slots being used for CPU/PG enhancement in order to carry halfway decent gear, oh and the 4th slot used for catalyzer in order to run as fast as a default assault but had to pay about a million SP for it

just saw a Scout with dual Flaylocks and 3 Complex Extender and Ferroscale Plates all over (had over 500 shields and over 200 armor as a Minmatar Scout), needless to say he went 30-0. I died 10 times that match, 9 were from that guy's Flaylocks (I dodged 3 of them, but I didn't realize he had a second Core Flaylock), the 10th was from a Sniper Rifle, ...while trying to avoid the Flaylock

Such a sacrifice omg...

-XOXO

Lets do more math.

167(Base shield damage) x 1.25(pro) x 1.30( 3 dmg mods... sort of) = 271.375

Now, if your using an armor suit and/or scout, then... sucks to be you ,but your suits base shields should still be enough to protect you from a 1-HKO, will it leave you pretty much dead? Yup, but you said 1-shot, not 2 shot

So no, a flaylock will never 1 shot you... ever. Unless you're a scout

Just wondering if you get hit directly by the flaylock do you still suffer the splash damage as well?

Unless you're a Gallente logistics...

Worst wepon in the game. The only wepon i really dont care if they nerf till its usless. Because who could even have a pair of balls that uses one?

Enough within a single flay magazine to make my shields hurt real bad. Only got a glance at my health before I got completely annihilated, was a bit busy trying to survive from lolOP flaylock damage.

Glad you admit (or at least don't deny) that the flaylock is OP. That is a step in the right direction for your FA (flaylocks anonymous) recovery.

A MD player uses the flaylock as his primary, and the mass driver as his secondary


Seriously though, I just witnessed this. The player softened me up with the flaylock, then promptly brought out his MD to finish me off after the flay's magazine was dry.

There was absolutely no escaping this explosive noobery

there must be a whole lot of ostracizing going on. I suppose the whole squads of hellstorm flaylock users dont self ostracize.

People can use whatever weapon they want...no corp or any one has a right to say a darn thing...this is a mercenary business....here we do what it takes to win...and that means using everything..

omg they op last night I ran in too a whole squad use flaylocks not fun bty its bad with just one guy running with 2 core flaylock pop off 6 shots but with 6 all running with 2 each and 2 hmg it a I win button the aoe of the flaylock and the hmg too finsh off whatever the flaylock did not kill it like have 36 pinpoint gernades too lay wast too everything and forget about cover the aoe get you so ccp get that nerf bat out pls

Yeah, its been a tough couple of weeks for me...

Most good MD players will try to soften another player before using their MD. It's usually a flux grenade but sidearms can do it too.

this would make sense if they had a scrambler pistol or smg as a sidearm, lower the shields first, unleash explosive hell. Except the flaylock is also explosive hell, so if he started with the flaylock it would only be because it has better opening burst damage.

Unless you're a Gallente logistics...

CCP says no, it shouldn't. But from experience, it sure does.

Specs? No, Evidence? Yes.

http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/Sloth_9230/media/Flaylock-1_zps36df8b54.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0
http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/Sloth_9230/media/Flaylock-2_zpsbb87bf94.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0

171 - 4 = 167

You're clearly imagining things.

Regardless of whether his information is accurate does that take away from the issue? No it doesn't the, flaylock is stupid broken and even a majority of flaylock users will say that.

Yes, yes it does, accurate information is the difference between a reasonable changes and.... ehh, CCP's going to break it anyway cause they suck at balance, but that's besides the point

You really want to make changes based on word of mouth?

Been killed by forge noobs, don't need to spec to know their hitbox is too big.

Forge players should have to aim like the rest of us (well except flaylock and MD players), not point in general direction, click, then win.

And this is why I don't trust personal "experience"

As you can see, the OP doesn't know squat about how weapons actually work, he just likes to think he does. I'm not inclined to listen to guy whose only evidence for his claims is "because I told you so"

FG hit box is too big, why? Because it killed him?

So I will play your little game...What do you think of gaylocks?

Lower it's RoF (somewhere between what it is now and the MD's, it's way too easy to spam these things
-Increase reload time a little
-Lower Splash damage 15-20%
-Increase direct hits by 10-15%, they aren't rewarding enough ATM in my oppinion
- Slightly increase damage against shields, lower damage against armor as well 80%:120%?

Or...

- Flatten their Splash radius...es? 1.25 for STD, 1.50 for ADV, 1.75 for PRO