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DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
658
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Posted - 2013.07.11 07:23:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:I didn't deny that it was OP, just that you're making **** up. I might be biased, but that doesn't change the numbers  So tell us, how many hits did they land on you? 
Enough within a single flay magazine to make my shields hurt real bad. Only got a glance at my health before I got completely annihilated, was a bit busy trying to survive from lolOP flaylock damage. 
Glad you admit (or at least don't deny) that the flaylock is OP. That is a step in the right direction for your FA (flaylocks anonymous) recovery. 
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DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
658
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Posted - 2013.07.11 07:25:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Also, lets just ignore the fact that the OP flaylock failed to kill you thanks to your shields. OP Weapon < Shields .... H'mmm, Could shields possibly be OP as well, even more than the flay? Now there's some food for thought 
Based on your special maths, would 670 armor have been taken out by a flay magazine?
Hmm, food for thought... 
Come flay noobie, get back in game and start spamming! We need more data for CCP. |

Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
2288
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Posted - 2013.07.11 07:29:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:would 670 armor have been taken out by a flay magazine?
Yes, yes it would have.
167 is only what it does shields... armor isn't so lucky.
Edit: I was joking about shields being OP though BTW |

Doyle Reese
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
281
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Posted - 2013.07.11 07:35:00 -
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just saw a Scout with dual Flaylocks and 3 Complex Extender and Ferroscale Plates all over (had over 400 shields and over 200 armor in a Minmatar suit), needless to say he went 30-0. I died 10 times that match, 9 were from that guy's Flaylocks (I dodged 3 of them, but I didn't realize he had a second Core Flaylock), the 10th was from a Sniper Rifle, ...while trying to avoid the Flaylock |

Hawkings Greenback
Red Star Jr.
46
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Posted - 2013.07.11 07:37:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:A MD player uses the flaylock as his primary, and the mass driver as his secondary  Seriously though, I just witnessed this. The player softened me up with the flaylock, then promptly brought out his MD to finish me off after the flay's magazine was dry. There was absolutely no escaping this explosive noobery 
You forgot to mention that he was also wearing a calogi i-win suit to complement the double noob tube  |

Another Heavy SOB
TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN.
318
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Posted - 2013.07.11 07:47:00 -
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I have an Alt with flaylock proficiency 3 that I use occasionally to get some feeling of revenge and lols. I'm pretty sure I've OHK militia Gallante med, and scouts of course. I've never started an assault on a Caldari with full shields since I run SCR, so I wouldn't know if it's possible to OHK a militia one or not. |

DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
658
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Posted - 2013.07.11 07:49:00 -
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Hawkings Greenback wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:A MD player uses the flaylock as his primary, and the mass driver as his secondary  Seriously though, I just witnessed this. The player softened me up with the flaylock, then promptly brought out his MD to finish me off after the flay's magazine was dry. There was absolutely no escaping this explosive noobery  You forgot to mention that he was also wearing a calogi i-win suit to complement the double noob tube 
Actually I think he was wearing a scout suit and likely using Kb/m, I could not keep up with his strafes and almost non-existent hitbox to land a decent shot.
Calogi i-win suit says hello with 3 out of 4 low slots being used for CPU/PG enhancement in order to carry halfway decent gear, oh and the 4th slot used for catalyzer in order to run as fast as a default assault but had to pay about a million SP for it  |

FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
183
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Posted - 2013.07.11 07:51:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Hawkings Greenback wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:A MD player uses the flaylock as his primary, and the mass driver as his secondary  Seriously though, I just witnessed this. The player softened me up with the flaylock, then promptly brought out his MD to finish me off after the flay's magazine was dry. There was absolutely no escaping this explosive noobery  You forgot to mention that he was also wearing a calogi i-win suit to complement the double noob tube  Actually I think he was wearing a scout suit and likely using Kb/m, I could not keep up with his strafes and almost non-existent hitbox to land a decent shot. Calogi i-win suit says hello with 3 out of 4 low slots being used for CPU/PG enhancement in order to carry halfway decent gear, oh and the 4th slot used for catalyzer in order to run as fast as a default assault but had to pay about a million SP for it 
Such a sacrifice omg...
-XOXO
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Hawkings Greenback
Red Star Jr.
46
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Posted - 2013.07.11 07:52:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Hawkings Greenback wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:A MD player uses the flaylock as his primary, and the mass driver as his secondary  Seriously though, I just witnessed this. The player softened me up with the flaylock, then promptly brought out his MD to finish me off after the flay's magazine was dry. There was absolutely no escaping this explosive noobery  You forgot to mention that he was also wearing a calogi i-win suit to complement the double noob tube  Actually I think he was wearing a scout suit and likely using Kb/m, I could not keep up with his strafes and almost non-existent hitbox to land a decent shot. Calogi i-win suit says hello with 3 out of 4 low slots being used for CPU/PG enhancement in order to carry halfway decent gear, oh and the 4th slot used for catalyzer in order to run as fast as a default assault but had to pay about a million SP for it 
Should have gone minilogi  |

Jarlaxle Xorlarrin
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
102
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Posted - 2013.07.11 07:56:00 -
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Doyle Reese wrote:just saw a Scout with dual Flaylocks and 3 Complex Extender and Ferroscale Plates all over (had over 500 shields and over 200 armor as a Minmatar Scout), needless to say he went 30-0. I died 10 times that match, 9 were from that guy's Flaylocks (I dodged 3 of them, but I didn't realize he had a second Core Flaylock), the 10th was from a Sniper Rifle, ...while trying to avoid the Flaylock
He had over 500 shields? Orly?
I have 333 shields in a prototype minmatar scout.
I run 3x Complex Shields. Guess how many High slots a Minmatar proto scout has. If you guess three you would be correct. Now, I have my Shield Upgrades at level 3, so even with level 5 it would be impossible to have over even 400 shields in a Minmatar scout.
To the Ferroscale plates. I have 76 armour on my Minmatar. Ferroscale complex plates only give 60 hp per mod. Minny scouts have 2 Low-Powered. That is 120. So, we're at 196 armour. Now* it is very possible for a Minny scout to have over 200 Armour (obviously, I just showed you. I have 1 or 2 levels in armour upgrades) The problem with the complex Ferroscale plates is that they take up a lot of PG/CPU and guess what a scout suit doesn't have a lot of. PG/CPU. Now he/she can fit that, but not with 3x Complex shields and Flaylocks.
I'm all for nerfing the Flaylocks, but please, lets not get too carried away with the exaggerations. |
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DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
658
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Posted - 2013.07.11 08:04:00 -
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FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:
Such a sacrifice omg...
-XOXO
Permanent slower movement speed is a killer. Strafing is key to victory.
And I would be curious to see how any other logi class, or assault, fits in terms of what they can carry and what their shields/armor and movement speeds are.
I mean heck, I get hit by a flux and all I have left is 99 armor (used to be 90 before I did some upgrades)... 
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AnALogginS
S.e.V.e.N. Top Men.
37
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Posted - 2013.07.11 08:36:00 -
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Worst wepon in the game. The only wepon i really dont care if they nerf till its usless. Because who could even have a pair of balls that uses one? |

RINON114
B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance
269
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Posted - 2013.07.11 09:08:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote: Lets do more math. 167(Base shield damage) x 1.25(pro) x 1.30( 3 dmg mods... sort of) = 271.375 Now, if your using an armor suit and/or scout, then... sucks to be you  ,but your suits base shields should still be enough to protect you from a 1-HKO, will it leave you pretty much dead? Yup, but you said 1-shot, not 2 shot  So no, a flaylock will never 1 shot you... ever. Unless you're a scout  Unless you're a Gallente logistics... |

insertna mahere
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
0
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Posted - 2013.07.11 09:15:00 -
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Just wondering if you get hit directly by the flaylock do you still suffer the splash damage as well? |

DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
658
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Posted - 2013.07.11 09:40:00 -
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insertna mahere wrote:Just wondering if you get hit directly by the flaylock do you still suffer the splash damage as well?
CCP says no, it shouldn't. But from experience, it sure does. |

Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
278
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Posted - 2013.07.11 10:01:00 -
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RINON114 wrote:Sloth9230 wrote: Lets do more math. 167(Base shield damage) x 1.25(pro) x 1.30( 3 dmg mods... sort of) = 271.375 Now, if your using an armor suit and/or scout, then... sucks to be you  ,but your suits base shields should still be enough to protect you from a 1-HKO, will it leave you pretty much dead? Yup, but you said 1-shot, not 2 shot  So no, a flaylock will never 1 shot you... ever. Unless you're a scout  Unless you're a Gallente logistics... Yeah... Just the other day I got 1 shot from a flaylock had 90 shield and 388 armor. Oh and you know the flaylock is OP when you have a whole corp using it while proto stomping... And the "good" players are doing the same. Once I run out of Mass Driver, I'm going back to SR and AR. Wish they had a legitimate LMG in this game  |

Protected Void
STRONG-ARMED BANDITS
43
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Posted - 2013.07.11 10:56:00 -
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AnALogginS wrote:Worst wepon in the game. The only wepon i really dont care if they nerf till its usless. Because who could even have a pair of balls that uses one?
Yeah...also, who could even have a pair of balls when:
- having +1000 EHP? - shield tanking in a game with more weapons that hurt armor than weapons that hurt shields? - driving around in a tank? - using any weapon with a longer range than their opponent's? - using any other dropsuit than scout? - [insert random reason to diss someone here]
In case you can't tell, I think using flaylocks or any of the above is just fine. I'm pretty sure neither of them affect ball count. They're all different ways of getting an edge over your opponents. The fact that you don't like one of them doesn't make it inferior. |

Protected Void
STRONG-ARMED BANDITS
43
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Posted - 2013.07.11 10:58:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:I didn't deny that it was OP, just that you're making **** up. I might be biased, but that doesn't change the numbers  So tell us, how many hits did they land on you?  Enough within a single flay magazine to make my shields hurt real bad. Only got a glance at my health before I got completely annihilated, was a bit busy trying to survive from lolOP flaylock damage.  Glad you admit (or at least don't deny) that the flaylock is OP. That is a step in the right direction for your FA (flaylocks anonymous) recovery. 
Hm...and how many other weapons can fire a whole magazine at your shields without making them hurt real bad? |

Soldiersaint
Reaper Galactic
96
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Posted - 2013.07.11 11:02:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:A MD player uses the flaylock as his primary, and the mass driver as his secondary  Seriously though, I just witnessed this. The player softened me up with the flaylock, then promptly brought out his MD to finish me off after the flay's magazine was dry. There was absolutely no escaping this explosive noobery  its not noobery....also its way more fun the running around hip firing with an assault rifle like 99% of all the players on this game.This guy took advantage of the flaylocks power..any smart merc will do that. any stupid merc will call it cheap.. |

Soldiersaint
Reaper Galactic
96
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Posted - 2013.07.11 11:05:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:Kira Lannister wrote:Identity Denied wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:A MD player uses the flaylock as his primary, and the mass driver as his secondary  Seriously though, I just witnessed this. The player softened me up with the flaylock, then promptly brought out his MD to finish me off after the flay's magazine was dry. There was absolutely no escaping this explosive noobery  Wow, because I've been on the relieving end of this exact same practice from hell storm members. Its only OP when it kills you, right? Otherwise its fine, right? Nope we ostracize hellstorm members when they use the flaylock, We make them feel awkward in squad. Rest well.  there must be a whole lot of ostracizing going on. I suppose the whole squads of hellstorm flaylock users dont self ostracize. People can use whatever weapon they want...no corp or any one has a right to say a darn thing...this is a mercenary business....here we do what it takes to win...and that means using everything.. |
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
568
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Posted - 2013.07.11 11:42:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Kira Lannister wrote:Identity Denied wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:A MD player uses the flaylock as his primary, and the mass driver as his secondary  Seriously though, I just witnessed this. The player softened me up with the flaylock, then promptly brought out his MD to finish me off after the flay's magazine was dry. There was absolutely no escaping this explosive noobery  Wow, because I've been on the relieving end of this exact same practice from hell storm members. Its only OP when it kills you, right? Otherwise its fine, right? Nope we ostracize hellstorm members when they use the flaylock, We make them feel awkward in squad. Rest well.  there must be a whole lot of ostracizing going on. I suppose the whole squads of hellstorm flaylock users dont self ostracize. People can use whatever weapon they want...no corp or any one has a right to say a darn thing...this is a mercenary business....here we do what it takes to win...and that means using everything..
like the invisibility glitch. why not? its there. |

achiever
pigs with fricken lazer beams
49
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Posted - 2013.07.11 11:52:00 -
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omg they op last night I ran in too a whole squad use flaylocks not fun bty its bad with just one guy running with 2 core flaylock pop off 6 shots but with 6 all running with 2 each and 2 hmg it a I win button the aoe of the flaylock and the hmg too finsh off whatever the flaylock did not kill it like have 36 pinpoint gernades too lay wast too everything and forget about cover the aoe get you so ccp get that nerf bat out pls |

Protected Void
STRONG-ARMED BANDITS
45
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Posted - 2013.07.11 12:02:00 -
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By the way: I play as a scout. If one flaylock round lands near me, splash or direct damage generally doesn't matter. I die anyway. Also, the splash radius makes it harder for me to use my primary strength - ie. speed/evasion - to survive.
Even so, I rarely die more than once or twice to a flaylock during any given pub match. Other weapons kill me way more often. Since the MD got un-nerfed, for example, I have way more trouble with that. (Mind you, I'm not asking for an MD nerf)
What I find, though, is that I have to adjust my tactics to suit the weapon I'm facing. If I face a flaylock, I do my best to get to higher ground. Killing someone with a flaylock is pretty damned hard when firing upwards. There's way less stuff to trigger the explosion, most of the time the shot just continues too far uphill or down the other side of whatever the target is standing on. Direct hits are of course still possible, but the randomness of these actually connecting make them of limited viability.
If you don't see your enemy approaching and they can land a series of flaylock shots on you before you can react, you're probably dead anyway, of course. But then again, which weapon is unable to take someone out when given time to aim and having the jump on the target? I've taken out people in this manner with both militia SMGs and militia scrambler pistols, many times. It doesn't take a lot of aiming skill. But you'd hardly call those two sidearms OP just because of that possible scenario. |

Protected Void
STRONG-ARMED BANDITS
45
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Posted - 2013.07.11 12:03:00 -
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achiever wrote:omg they op last night I ran in too a whole squad use flaylocks not fun bty its bad with just one guy running with 2 core flaylock pop off 6 shots but with 6 all running with 2 each and 2 hmg it a I win button the aoe of the flaylock and the hmg too finsh off whatever the flaylock did not kill it like have 36 pinpoint gernades too lay wast too everything and forget about cover the aoe get you so ccp get that nerf bat out pls
Solution: use a longer range weapon and keep your distance. |

Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
610
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Posted - 2013.07.11 12:30:00 -
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Jarlaxle Xorlarrin wrote:Sloth9230 wrote: Lets do more math. 167(Base shield damage) x 1.25(pro) x 1.30( 3 dmg mods... sort of) = 271.375 Now, if your using an armor suit and/or scout, then... sucks to be you  ,but your suits base shields should still be enough to protect you from a 1-HKO, will it leave you pretty much dead? Yup, but you said 1-shot, not 2 shot  So no, a flaylock will never 1 shot you... ever. Unless you're a scout Yeah, its been a tough couple of weeks for me... 
I one shoted a scout with a flux grenade the other day. I felt bad for the guy. |

calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
524
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Posted - 2013.07.11 12:45:00 -
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kind of makes sense I suppose, most dedicated flay lockers run 2 flaylocks since then the mods will effect both weapons.
but he's exchanging that bonus for having the larger aoe/larger clip of the mass driver for finishing targets off they really do compliment each other.
he could also use it as his main weapon in longer range engagements or fill the suppression fire role of the mass driver if need be, I like it. |

Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
272
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Posted - 2013.07.11 12:55:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:Most good MD players will try to soften another player before using their MD. It's usually a flux grenade but sidearms can do it too.
this would make sense if they had a scrambler pistol or smg as a sidearm, lower the shields first, unleash explosive hell. Except the flaylock is also explosive hell, so if he started with the flaylock it would only be because it has better opening burst damage. |

Protected Void
STRONG-ARMED BANDITS
45
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Posted - 2013.07.11 15:32:00 -
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Oso Peresoso wrote:First Prophet wrote:Most good MD players will try to soften another player before using their MD. It's usually a flux grenade but sidearms can do it too. this would make sense if they had a scrambler pistol or smg as a sidearm, lower the shields first, unleash explosive hell. Except the flaylock is also explosive hell, so if he started with the flaylock it would only be because it has better opening burst damage.
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Cody Sietz
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
495
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Posted - 2013.07.11 15:44:00 -
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I'm just gonna keep using the aurum version till they nerf it. |

Zero Harpuia
WarRavens League of Infamy
604
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Posted - 2013.07.11 16:24:00 -
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You know the Flaylock is OP when there are so many going off at once everyone spawning from a CRU dies while cloaked. Not even joking, it was like Armageddon in spawncamping pistol form... |
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